REQUEST: Make "trash" mobs hit harder.

A lot of the problems I see coming out of duty finder seem tied in some way to the fact that trash mobs don't hit very hard. Because they don't hit hard, healers have time to DPS (thus the complaints and useless arguments about DPS-Healers and Healer-Healers). Weak trash mobs promote speed runs and a watered down grouping experience (thus the useless arguments about small vs. large pulls, and toxicity about play styles).

Years ago when Burning Crusade (World of Warcraft) was released, one of the things that made the expansion so FUN for me was the fact that groups NEEDED to use crowd-control abilities. If you didn't, you'd get smashed. You had to be tactical. And THAT was incredibly fun.

Of course, my experience is anecdotal, and the fun it gave me is subjective. And of course, you can still use crowd control with weak trash.

Anyone else think that this would be better?

Not going to happen. Burning Crusade was an entirely different design philosophy, that centered around creating fights and asking people to perform to a degree on most trash pulls. We are now past that. We are now more into the Action-RPG era, where its more about mowing down stuff at a certain speed to give the feeling of power and reward.

Yeaaah...
I personally don't wanna spend 10 years on a mob
and wiping to them constantly. Also, SB mobs DO hit harder.

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Originally Posted by Dizhonor

Years ago when Burning Crusade (World of Warcraft) was released, one of the things that made the expansion so FUN for me was the fact that groups NEEDED to use crowd-control abilities. If you didn't, you'd get smashed. You had to be tactical. And THAT was incredibly fun.

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Maybe if we had legitimate CC this would be doable, but there really isn't any to work with.

Edit: Most of what I've dealt with in CC was in City of Heroes, were the CC was pretty powerful. I have no idea how WoW's CC works/worked.

And that is when out of spite they make every single trash mob hit like Faust Z.

That's been suggested over and over and it does look like there's a little bit more healing now, but it's hardly noticeable. Healing has always been a joke in this game... hopefully Omega savage changes that.

There are already healers that aren't able to keep up with tank damage on group pulls, so I don't think it's a good idea to make that problem worse by increasing damage.

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Originally Posted by Niyuka

Not going to happen. Burning Crusade was an entirely different design philosophy, that centered around creating fights and asking people to perform to a degree on most trash pulls. We are now past that. We are now more into the Action-RPG era, where its more about mowing down stuff at a certain speed to give the feeling of power and reward.

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Counter productive though. because there's no feeling of power in killing a bunch of trash that doesn't pose a threat... it's about as powerfull as squashing a spider with your boot...

kinda why dungeons are always so boring because theres no satidfaction from killing anything in them..

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

There are already healers that aren't able to keep up with tank damage on group pulls, so I don't think it's a good idea to make that problem worse by increasing damage.

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On the flip side, by making everything faceroll easy rewards players who put forth no effort. I firmly believe a huge contributor to the lack of player skill is how easy most content is. Now I do feel there should be "easy" content per se, but a better balance would be:

Leveling: Easy
Expert: Medium
Raid: Hard

The Royal Menagerie is a perfect example of reasonably challenging. It smacks you hard for not paying attention to mechanics in lieu of the typical "ignore everything and just burn" philosophy we often see. Zurvan EX stands as an example of what happens when content gets too easy. People demanded skip Soar because doing so trivialized the whole fight.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

On the flip side, by making everything faceroll easy rewards players who put forth no effort. I firmly believe a huge contributor to the lack of player skill is how easy most content is.

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wholy agree with this. I've said it frequently. I also believe its how easy everything is that is the sole reason the "no bonus" culture exists within party finder.

because there's no learning curve at all it's just a great long horizontal line. with a massive sheer vertical cliff when it comes to tackling extreme primals or an even bigger vertical cliff for savage content..

players smash a story mode primal and unlock the ex with no skill at all. then think that cos they unlocked it they gotthe skill to beat it......

if difficulty actually scaled properly as players progressed. then the no bonus culture wouldn't be anywhere near as prominent. because in that environment the simple fact a palyer made it far enough to unlock "insert extreme primal" would demonstrate they have the minimum level of competence to actrually tackle it