Echo seem be still need

all last boss fight i think we still need alittle echo power. he can be tricket to beat with both machinac and shear power of the boss. no nerf bat him though

Nidhogg even in death is still frustating

Okay... what are you getting at this time? Echo for normal dungeon bosses?

We dont need Echo for anything - all fights can and have been done without echo. Just because randoms are to lazy and stupid to handle easy content doesnt mean we need echo (or anything else, really) to make it even more braindead.

Echo doesn't win you fights, a competent group does.

I would have to agree. Echo just gives you a boost in your arsenal. It's still very possible to loss a fight, even with 20% 25% Echo.

Shouldn't jumping in with today's new gadgets work at this point?

As for echo... yes a good party is still needed to some degree, but echo is bloody insane. Watching newbies ignore mechanics because for the most part they survive is hilarious.

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Someone just reached the 4.0 final fight. If you can't do this by 70 then you don't deserve endgame. It's all basic boss skills we've seen 100 times.

I got to 3 phase of final fight, I not behavior like elitist

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I got to 3 phase of final fight, I not behavior like elitist

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I havent done the fight yet, but I'm seeing plenty of my friends doing endgame/having finished the story - that tells me its possible to win that fight, most of them arent even close to being hardcore-raiders. If you cant beat it, its on you to get better not on the game to get easier.

Seriously, I feel solo-instances should ALL be a LOT harder to make sure people are actually somewhat capable of playing the game before they join groups that are potentially only carrying them...

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Someone just reached the 4.0 final fight. If you can't do this by 70 then you don't deserve endgame. It's all basic boss skills we've seen 100 times.

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Completely agree. It is certainly more difficult than the usual MSQ face-rolling content we get, which is why it may at first feel a little intimidating, but it is by no means an extreme trial - you aren't punished with death by making one mistake, you can complete it with half of your team dead and there is no such thing as an enrage (or am I mistaken?).

Game(Stormblood) isnt even out for a week!! >_>

Give it some days/Weeks more till 1st wave of lv70ers are full of endgame gears and smash it like a fly like HW Final boss.