Square you need to streamline the main story

I know a lot of people may defend Square on this.
But there are aprox 184 main story quests to finish ARR

I started a new account and i understand why most of my friends quit this game before even entering Heavensward.
Also Jobs shouldn't have been walled like this.

I even dare to say that at least 60% of the main quests are there to just waste time.
I know this is a story based MMORPG and i like that But not this way tbh.
I just saw Heavensward quests and there are 138 main quests, i wonder how many of them are filler up.

There has to be a way to avoid this without paying (story potion) because this would look intentional.

For a veteran player this wouldn't be a problem because you can tackle the quests as soon the new patch is released but for a new player.......

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i have been reading your reply , and thanks everyone for taking your time. now my answer to some of them
IF i was just button pressing when doing all the 50 i wouldn't say anything, but when reading them, TBH from 1 to 50 and all those post 50, there is a good chunk of quests that doesn´t add to the main story.

So in order to unlock lets say dark to tank (because bored of paladin) i have to pick tea leaves for someone, i have to go to someone so he says hi and then minphilia, oh comeback , i mean the ls pearl we have i just use it to sound cool, you have to come back here for me to say hi again. i have to go babysit tataru because she decided to mine,( there is no other scion or even a DOMA refugee to do this.)
Why not make a hard or extreme trial to unlock heavensward jobs and be done with it.
People defend the lore in this game, but there are a lot a lot of things in this game that break the lore

Jump Potion

That is their solution.

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Originally Posted by delukard7

Also Jobs shouldn't have been walled like this.

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Which is exactly why the Stormblood ones aren't walled like this.

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Originally Posted by delukard7

I just saw Heavensward quests and there are 138 main quests, i wonder how many of them are filler up.

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Which, just like the upcoming jobs, shows that they somewhat learned from ARR, since that amount is a lot lower than 184.

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Originally Posted by delukard7

There has to be a way to avoid this without paying (story potion) because this would look intentional.

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I'm sure they're intentionally developing more content for people to pay to skip it /s

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Originally Posted by delukard7

For a veteran player this wouldn't be a problem because you can tackle the quests as soon the new patch is released but for a new player.......

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.....all that content would still be new.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Jump Potion

That is their solution.

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...to the ongoing issue of executive poverty.

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Originally Posted by delukard7

I know a lot of people may defend Square on this.
But there are aprox 184 main story quests to finish ARR

I started a new account and i understand why most of my friends quit this game before even entering Heavensward.
Also Jobs shouldn't have been walled like this.

I even dare to say that at least 60% of the main quests are there to just waste time.
I know this is a story based MMORPG and i like that But not this way tbh.
I just saw Heavensward quests and there are 138 main quests, i wonder how many of them are filler up.

There has to be a way to avoid this without paying (story potion) because this would look intentional.

For a veteran player this wouldn't be a problem because you can tackle the quests as soon the new patch is released but for a new player.......

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There is a lot of grindy quests and running backward and forward in ARR that could be streamlined. There is far less fat in HW however and there is a limit to what you could trim there without cutting off meat as well.

There are 2 primary reasons this isn't a good fix though:

1) It would be very resource intensive to go back through the quests and remove and modify the whole quest line and the patches. They would have to dedicate a number of developers to work on it and that means that endgame player would get less. Doing this in any reasonable time frame would basically mean that we would have to at least go several patches story quests as the developers who make them would be occupied fixing the old quest lines.

2) Any progress made would be lost the moment Stormblood is added to the MSQ and it adds another 150 or whatever quests. Plus the number of quests you could realistically cut from even ARR is far less than 60% without negatively effecting the quality of the story.

This is why the Jump potion is a workaround. Its not perfect but it achieves the goal within the resources available to do so and its a permanent solution. I am yet to hear another realistic option that wouldn't negatively impact the story in my opinion.

As for Jobs, they would have to rework the HW job quests from pretty much scratch to make them available earlier but they have learned from that mistake and the new Stormblood Jobs will be accessible from the moment you hit 50 and finish the ARR 2.0 MSQ.

you have to understand that for a veteran player , doing 20 quests every new patch is ok, and i even agree with that,
But for new players doing all this is to a point frustrating, there has to be something better , at the time it was a necessity in order to keep people subscribed.
but ATM the only thing those quest accomplish is alienate new players. im legacy player on my other account, and now that i´m tasting the other side of the coin, trust it doesn't taste good!

Anyway is not my intention to stir the forums, but imho i hope Square really do something to alleviate this

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Originally Posted by delukard7

But for new players doing all this is to a point frustrating, there has to be something better

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Why are you speaking for me? I thought it was fine when I did all these quests. Sure, it was a bit tedious because I wanted to see the new areas, but I've seen worse grinds in video games.

I just sorta wonder where these arguments will ultimately lead. Will players expect SB to be truncated by 5.0? Should devs design all content with the idea that most of it will be cut out sooner or later? Does that mean only veteran players will ever get to experience the whole game, leaving newcomers to miss out on piles of content that have been edited out? If the "end game" is all that players are really interested in, why have the rest of the game at all?

I know it's a weak "slippery slope" deal. And yeah, I agree at least some of the fetch quests or something in the MSQ could be quicker. But there's only so much they can do with the way they want their game to be designed.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

I just sorta wonder where these arguments will ultimately lead. .

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I can tell you that: Nowhere.

SE already stated they are going to increase the MSQ length in Stormblood and I have little doubt that this is precisely because jump potions are on the horizon. For a business, nothing is better than being able to create a demand for something you sell yourself. I expect them to run further with it in future expansions and eventually scratch sidequests in favor of MSQ completely.

I don't think player interests are actually considered either way. Benefits for the player are made up after the fact to sell it to them.

They already answered your question OP, streamlining will take to much time and money, time and money that they prefer to use for making new content. Their solution is a Jump Potion.