I know this was unique to DRK at 60 but moving forward it would be nice for other tanks to get it too. If you look at other roles:
All healers have a cleanse
All healers have an AoE cure
All healers have some kind of native shield skill
All melee DPS have at least 2 stuns
All melee DPS have 2 DoTs
etc
DRK had a monopo0ly on gap closers among tanks, but would be cool if other tanks got it at later levels. Could make them more unique to spice it up:
WAR 66- Rampage
Rushes to target and delivers an attack with a potency of 200.
Defiance: Additional Effect: Weight
Deliverance: Additional Effect: Stun
Recast: 40 sec
PLD 70- Shield Charge
Rushes to target while delivering an attack with a potency 100 to all enemies in a straight line before you.
Shield Oath: Additional Effect: Stun
Recast: 60 sec
Shield Charge would be like Shoulder Tackle but any enemies between you and the target get damaged while you're dashing to said target.
Should PLD and WAR get gap-closers at 70?
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09-11-2016, 12:45 AMJonnycbadShould PLD and WAR get gap-closers at 70?
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09-11-2016, 01:03 AMLyth
Sure. In exchange, I'll take Equilibrium, Thrill of Battle, off-gcd stance swaps, Spirits Within, an on-demand stun, a magic damage version of Cover, Sheltron, Fight or Flight, Divine Veil, and an invincibility move that isn't healer dependent.
Every tank already has a method of negating knockback, one of which doesn't even require a target. -
09-11-2016, 01:08 AMUltimatecalibur
The reason Dark Knight has a "move-to-target" is different than why Melee Dps do.
Plunge is actually the Dark Knight's anti-knockback (Tempered Will is the Paladin's and Holmgang is the Warrior's) rather than a gap closer. -
09-11-2016, 01:11 AMLaunched
No. Copying other job's mechanics is boring.
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09-11-2016, 01:11 AMArdorGreyQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyth
Funny how the person that constantly creates opportunities to talk about how superior they are for playing the "truly challenging class" "becoz mp managment is kewel" turns around and says they want every great ability every other tank has just to do away with how archaic lacking gap closers on tanks is.
Tanks are expected to lead dungeon runs. and yet they are the *least* mobile class by a wide margin, drk just slightly less than the other two.
This is *terrible design*, not something to stroke your ego over. It's the very definition of counter-intuitive.
Then again you're contrary enough to insist WAR is terribly designed, and then turn around and say you want all their goodies and much, much, more. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.
That said, it's possible to give other tanks gap closers while maintaining(and hopefully expanding) each tanks unique flavor and gameplay style.
EDIT: to be fair, I actually use equilibrium to sprint in dungeons, especially if I have a good ninja in my group. So maybe WAR doesn't need it.
But some sort of shield charge for pld would be great and perfectly thematic, basically every sword and board archetype ever has something along those lines, it's kinda weird that it isn't here.
Personally I'd rather see it as a single target high potency ability instead of an Aoe, though that would be further cramping drks style I suppose, and doubling as an aoe might help make pld more appealing for dungeon runs period, since right now they're strictly the worst for that. -
09-11-2016, 01:20 AMArdorGreyIn theory that sounds nice. the truth is that in most cases using it like that is a strict dps loss. Its anti knockback/gap closing property is very secondary to it's primary function as a secondary dps cooldown. It could really shine in an OT role if drk had other tools that made it an attractive OT, but that isn't the case atm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur
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09-11-2016, 01:30 AMUltimatecaliburA gap closer is not a mobility increase its actually a mobility limiter. The Paladin is currently the most mobile class in the game with proper use of Tempered Will.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdorGrey
Usable Harpoons (i.e. Holmgang without the bind) are actually better for tanks than gap closers as the ability to position enemies is more important than the ability to get to a target faster.
I really wish the Tank meta wasn't so DpS obsessed. It is rather saddening to see utility abilities used more for a ~7 potency per sec increase rather than their actual utility.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdorGrey
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09-11-2016, 01:58 AMReynhartI'd say that since they're expected to lead the dungeon runs, they have no "catching-up" to do, so they don't really need a gap closer.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdorGrey
Even when some monsters move far away, a tank is supposed to bring it back instead of rushing after it. -
09-11-2016, 02:03 AMArdorGreycasters can burn sprint on cd. dps are all chomping at the bit, either letting their buffs drop while their cds go unused as they inch up bit by bit behind the waddling tank or rushing ahead and then running back with aggro and hoping the tank is happy to pull of them rather than get salty about pre-pulling. it isn't about catching up, it's about efficient CD use as a group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reynhart
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09-11-2016, 02:09 AMArdorGreyI can both agree and disagree with this, I guess it all depends on how you look at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur
I've wished for the longest time that they'd separate the harpoon effect from the rest of holmgang and give it a lower CD timer. I'd say "we can only hope for 4.0", but that would only further help WAR's already very good utility situation. :/Quote:
Usable Harpoons (i.e. Holmgang without the bind) are actually better for tanks than gap closers as the ability to position enemies is more important than the ability to get to a target faster.
I wish that went for all classes. So many great stun opportunities are wrecked by everyone using their stuns on CD for the dps increase.Quote:
I really wish the Tank meta wasn't so DpS obsessed. It is rather saddening to see utility abilities used more for a ~7 potency per sec increase rather than their actual utility.