It's cool if you guys like the meat wall fantasy but too much vit is not only excessive, it also hurts your aggro gen. Dps shouldn't have to throttle dps just so you can keep your training wheels on.
I'm not saying everyone has to load up on pure str or pure melded, but pure vit is the worst kind of overkill.
Sorry, but no tank should pure vit stack right side.
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09-11-2015, 05:23 PMArdorGreySorry, but no tank should pure vit stack right side.
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09-11-2015, 05:31 PMLeeraSorlan
I value your opinion as a person.
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09-11-2015, 05:35 PMLantiaPLD Lv 50 for example has not only an aggro combo but also an aggro aoe and a huge dmg attack oGCD.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdorGrey
While leveling to 60 he even gots more actions to hold the aggro (a double heal for example and one more dot).
As you are a marodeur: Use Flashlight a bit more -
09-11-2015, 05:43 PMAndy22Can you give a specific situation/lvl where this happens?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdorGrey
I assume thats some lvl60 raid only problem, since i never encountered this problem so far. I can see the enmity bars and it seems impossible for a dps to draw aggro if i'm in tank stance and do the usual rotation, this seem logical given the enmity math involved. The only time i loose aggro is for a pack, where i had not enough time to flash multiple times or i run out of MP, but flash enmity generation is not tied to str, so there is no benefit.
So instead of generalizing, you should stick to the facts and be more specific with your request like: "Sorry, but no tank should pure vit stack right side. In lvl 60 endgame" -
09-11-2015, 06:07 PMPooky_PashaActually, it is. Flash scales off of attack power, and attack power=STR. Having STR accessories does increase your flash potency by quite a bit, something along the lines of about 27% for full STR setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy22
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09-11-2015, 06:36 PMLantiaWhich only means you will need it if you need to use flash frequently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooky_Pasha
I never was in a position where I needed more then flash as every 4th skill (and this only to gain TP). And yep I am full VIT. -
09-11-2015, 06:53 PMGalgarionIf the dps can't pull threat off a vit tank, then it's less about you being good and more about them being bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lantia
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09-11-2015, 06:55 PMAndy22Thx for the info, how you calculated/tested the 27% higher "flash potential" and can you link your sources/data plz?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooky_Pasha
The only source i could find was https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...flash_testing/ are there any newer tests that have data? The data from this thread suggest a very strange str to enmity relation for flash, that directly conflicts with a simple linear scaling behavior. It looks like there is a str platou at 250 str that is reached by any lvl30+ tank and after this there is a extremely diminishing effect. The data stopped at 300 str, which is not even half of what lvl60 VIT only tanks seem to have. So it might even be possible that the diminishing effect ends up at 0 enmity per str, at 500+ str. -
09-11-2015, 07:08 PMAmiazeThe devs have already stated that tanks in HW are having an issue keeping enmity in general, haven't they? I don't think it's fair to make an ultimatum based on a design flaw.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdorGrey
That being said, I think that what a tank wears should be entirely situational. Assuming rotations and gear are all correct, for instance, a WAR won't have a problem keeping enmity in Coil or Alexander. They could switch to STR gear to output DPS for phase pushes or, alternatively, switch to VIT gear if they need some extra cushion because they have two ASTs or two SCHs in their party and RNG is not being kind.
PLDs aren't really known for their high DPS, and not every PLD is going to use their cooldowns correctly. I would much rather see PLDs have a little extra cushion rather than STR gear to maximize DPS. Any time I've seen a tank lose enmity, it's always been because the party far outgeared him/her or they weren't incorporating moves such as Flash, Overpower or Circle of Scorn enough. It never had anything to do with their choice of stats.
Granted, this is all assuming you're using a pure VIT/STR build. I've seen both in action, and both were perfectly fine. I can't say I've ever seen more than one hybrid build. -
09-11-2015, 07:14 PMLantiaI also never said I am good or bad ;) I just said I was never in a position where I need to do more DMG for aggro or flashlight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galgarion
Which brings this topic back to: Why use STR if 80%* of DPS are not doing enough DMG to take aggro?
Even with full str tank will never be as much DPS as a DPS can which is maybe decereasing the dungeon time to 2-5 mins.
If DPS are not good enough be ready that they will die and if they die you should have more VIT to allow healer to ress them even without instant ress.
This is also the reason why I use my def skills as DPS to help healer to focus on player which are sleeping.
*This number is a personal value of personal experience