My Problem with RNG (As do we all)

Hi all. Now before I begin I haven't got a single Craft Class to 50 but my highest is a ALC LV46 so I know abit about crafting. I can understand why higher crafting items would be harder for but it's also nice to go back to prev items at a lower level and make them with ease now that I'm a better ALC.

But today I went to the Ixal for do my beast tribe quest and I decided to do the one where you hand in supplies to the Ixal and today it was Echo Drops! So a LV46 ALC should not have any trouble at all making a lv22 *ish item so for best EXP and to make it HQ to hand it for 100% moar EXP I wanted to make all of them HQ. But due to RNG the amount of Failed touches I had was beyond obscured.

I just don't like how even when high level making lower level items is still kinda based on your Skill about but still a big chunk of RNG is involved. You would have thought they based the chance for Touch on your Control. That would have made more sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Martin_Arcainess

Hi all. Now before I begin I haven't got a single Craft Class to 50 but my highest is a ALC LV46 so I know abit about crafting.

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Erm, if you're 46. Couldn't you just have used steady hand+standard touch+standard touch+ great strides+ standard touch? Or some variation of that?

I know I'm just a lvl 27 alchemist. But I am able to go to lower items (5-15) and either not use hasty touch, or just use it at the end to get a boost. I'm sure you can too.

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Originally Posted by Squintina

Erm, if you're 46. Couldn't you just have used steady hand+standard touch+standard touch+ great strides+ standard touch? Or some variation of that?

I know I'm just a lvl 27 alchemist. But I am able to go to lower items (5-15) and either not use hasty touch, or just use it at the end to get a boost. I'm sure you can too.

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Getting to to HQ I don't have a problem but my main problem is RNG. I can not begin to tell you the amount of Steady touch I tried but it's failed. Great strides to be fair I have been giving it the cold shoulder so I'll try that next thanks \o

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Originally Posted by Its_Elodie

Hasty touch and steady hand 2 make hq-ing things a lot easier. I had problems hq-ing things too until I put both of these cross class traits on my crafters.

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Yeah the only other 2 class I have past 15 craft wise ARM LV30 and BLS *26ish.

but the main thing I'm complaining about is the RNG is the same regardless of your skill in crafting a lower level item.

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Originally Posted by Martin_Arcainess

Getting to to HQ I don't have a problem but my main problem is RNG. I can not begin to tell you the amount of Steady touch I tried but it's failed. Great strides to be fair I have been giving it the cold shoulder so I'll try that next thanks \o

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Standard Touch won't fail if you have Steady Hand on. Steady Hand = +20% success. Standard Touch = 80% success. It seems this is a pure addition (not a percentaged addition like 20% of 80%), so it becomes 100%. Be sure not to confuse it with Basic Touch which only has 70% so you'd still have a 10% failure rate (which in ff14 RNG is more like a 40% failure rate).

For example my husband asked me to make him something today. A level 20 item that required me to first make a lvl 15 item (it's on armorer but the principles don't change). I'm lvl 28, with lvl 24 gear.

The item has 70 durability and it takes me 2 synths to craft. That means I have 50 durability (without master's mend) to get HQ if I'm trying to avoid hasty touch.
My rotation for it was Inner Quiet, Steady Hand, Standard Touchx4, Steady Hand, Great Strides, Standard Touch, careful synthx2. Gave me 100% HQ each time.

Did essentially the same thing for the original item I was supposed to craft (though I did have a boost since all the lvl15 items were HQ, and I needed 3 synths, so I had to remove one of the Standard Touches) and 100% HQ again.

Not a single Hasty touch was spared :D. Hasty touch does have its uses, but I try to avoid it if I can.

The RNG does suck though, I'll agree with that. But there are definitely ways around it when doing lower level crafts.

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Yeah the only other 2 class I have past 15 craft wise ARM LV30 and BLS *26ish.

but the main thing I'm complaining about is the RNG is the same regardless of your skill in crafting a lower level item.

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Getting everything to 15 for cross class skills is a great help in eliminating the RNG.

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Originally Posted by Shadygrove

Getting everything to 15 for cross class skills is a great help in eliminating the RNG.

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Better yet, get all the crafts to 50, and you definitely won't have to worry about RNG. Higher level skills = less inconvenience.

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Originally Posted by DarkDedede

Better yet, get all the crafts to 50, and you definitely won't have to worry about RNG. Higher level skills = less inconvenience.

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Every class at 50 is still LOTS of RNG. Please go read one of the threads about crafting your Mastery Book II items :D

4* Recipes with NQ mats are pretty brutal. Fortunately, most of the gear has multiple 1* Mats that are easy to HQ, which makes HQ'ing the gear incredibly easy.

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Originally Posted by Mishini_Dracoto

4* Recipes with NQ mats are pretty brutal.

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4* with all NQ mats is easier than 3* with all NQ mats was.

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Originally Posted by Mishini_Dracoto

Every class at 50 is still LOTS of RNG. Please go read one of the threads about crafting your Mastery Book II items :D

4* Recipes with NQ mats are pretty brutal. Fortunately, most of the gear has multiple 1* Mats that are easy to HQ, which makes HQ'ing the gear incredibly easy.

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That is true. However, I think the OP is referring to attempting to HQ a low to mid rank Ixal recipe, with no level 50 skills. Given the options available to us, the problem is easily remedied.

Your 4* woes are a totally different behemoth.