I think it may improve the gamepad experience if the most recently pressed/held shoulder trigger or shoulder button always takes precedence over any that are already being held. I feel it would be a more consistent (and quicker and easier) behavior than how the buttons and triggers currently interact.
As far as I'm aware, this would not conflict with currently existing functionality.
As an example of how this would work, when switching hotbars between skill use (this would also apply when changing target modes), compared to the current behavior:
Current behavior
1) Use skill on one hotbar.
2) Release hotbar trigger.
3) Hold hotbar-cycle button.
4) Press button to select other hotbar.
5) Release hotbar-cycle button.
6) Hold hotbar trigger.
7) Use skill on newly selected hotbar.
Proposed
1) Use skill on one hotbar.
2) Hold hotbar-cycle button.
3) Press button to select other hotbar.
4) Release hotbar-cycle button.
5) Use skill on newly selected hotbar.
Gamepad: Make latest pressed/held shoulder button or trigger override previously held
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08-20-2014, 08:29 AMReturneeGamepad: Make latest pressed/held shoulder button or trigger override previously held
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08-20-2014, 09:51 PMBixby
This would conflict with everything you do with the D-pad and the four action buttons that isn't using a skill off the cross hotbar. With this scheme, you couldn't switch hotbars then jump, switch hotbars then change target, switch hotbars then cancel cast/target/whatever, etc.
Not a problem if it's an option you can turn on and off, but I personally wouldn't want this without an off switch. -
08-21-2014, 08:37 PMruskie
Erm... you have 2 ways to cycle bars atm... one is right shoulder button to straight up cycle... other is hold right shoulder button and hit a face or dpad button to switch straight to that bar.... Don't see what this proposal solves really...
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08-23-2014, 09:51 AMReturneeI don't see the conflict Correct me if I'm wrong, but as it currently stands, if you are holding any of the shoulder buttons or triggers, you can't jump, change targets, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bixby
The only change I'm proposing is that you aren't forced to release a hotbar trigger before pressing a hotbar cycle button or target *mode* selecting button, and vice versa.
That is, if I'm holding a hotbar trigger, I can keep holding it, press and hold the hotbar cycle button and select a hotbar, then release the hotbar cycle button and select a skill.
Also the opposite - while holding the hotbar cycle button, press and hold a hotbar trigger, select a skill, then release the trigger and change hotbars.
Essentially, I'm just asking that these buttons *always* do what they are supposed to do, instead of being disabled when one of the other of them is already held. -
08-23-2014, 10:02 AMReturneeI'm not really asking for a *new* way to cycle bars, I'm just asking to allow one of the previously existing ways to work in a situation where it is currently prevented.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruskie
As for the problem it would solve, it would make switching between skills, hotbars and target modes much easier, since the effect of the buttons and triggers would be consistent instead of acting different for (as far as I can tell) no reason other than that another button is already held.
As far as I can tell, there is no reason *not* to have the controls work in this manner. To put it another way, how many people would really expect that holding one button would *prevent* the effect of another button being held afterward?
Also, if you look at the step-by-step use case I showed, this is a fair bit more efficient in terms of how many actions a player has to take, so that's also an improvement. -
08-24-2014, 04:24 AMJeff102883Gamepad controls
They need to bring back the gamepad controls from 1.0. It was so easy to pull of moves without having to hold down left and right buttons. If they can make a legacy option for the mouse then can can do it for the gamepad.
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09-03-2014, 01:54 AMLaraul
I think pressing down on the right stick button while the left or right trigger is being held down would lock the hot bar's in it's present state, similar as it would in toggle (or mixed) mode. A simple tap and release of one of the trigger buttons would restore the cross hot bar to normal.
I don't think anyone uses toggle and definitely not mixed (clearly neither was actually play tested for functionality). My proposal provides a more effective way to use the hot bar actions without requiring the triggers buttons to be held for long periods of time. -
09-03-2014, 02:08 AMLaraulIt was SLOW and switching between targets and selecting actions took a considerable amount of time. This is (probably) NOT going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff102883