Please adjust Directional requirements for DRG to match how it is for MNK

Currently, MNK still gets the buff/debuff/"combo" for all directional attacks (Bootshine, True Strike, Twin Snakes, Dragon Kick, Snap Punch, Demolish) even when done from the incorrect position. This means that even if they are unable to reach the desired position (flank/rear) in time, or at all in the case of rear attacks on Demon Wall, they still get their "combo" at reduced potency.

When DRG uses Heavy Thrust or Impulse Drive from the wrong side, that's it. Nothing happens. You get the nerfed potency from doing it wrong, don't get the buff from Heavy Thrust, and Impulse Drive's combo doesn't start. Since Impulse Drive leads to Disembowel, this means that any content where an enemy's rear is unavailable is hurting DRG's potential DPS in a very major way. Which isn't to say MNK doesn't suffer at all, but again MNK's issues don't impair their "combo" flow.

I'm proposing that DRG's directional requirements be made optional as they are for MNK. I mostly bring this up out of concern for the upcoming Leviathan primal fight, which initially looks to be such that his rear is not exposed to players.

Edit: For extra emphasis/clarity:

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

I'm speaking to a hypothetical enemy that is like Demon Wall, where you CAN'T do rear attacks. Obviously we know nothing about Leviathan other than a 20 second teaser, but from just initial impressions it looks like it could be the same as Demon Wall: no rear attacks.

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Only thing worse than a 100 potency impulse drive is having to use the skill AGAIN because it doesn't even let you use Disembowel afterwards.

Hope it could happen ;(

I agree completely on this. It's beyond annoying to play DRG because so often an enemy is moved, either by the tank being bad or things just happening, or the boss turns around to do something (Titan and Ifrit come to mind). And it messes up the rotation on DRG so much because you have to then spend another long GCD to attempt to get the buff/debuff you wanted in the first place. It's one reason why DRG feels like a chore and making me want to level up SMN and play with that instead. Far less stressful and annoying things to deal with.

And with fights like demon wall we're at a severe disadvantage. No disembowel is a good chunk of DPS dropped through it's debuff, along with not even being able to use chaos thrust.

Great idea, once TT-VP-FT also require positions to do full potency as well.

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Originally Posted by Allyrion

Great idea, once TT-VP-FT also require positions to do full potency as well.

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Funny attempt at trying to make it sound "fair" but you must consider you won't get to do those IF you mess up the Heavy thrust and chaos thrust combo.

I wish they'd give us the buff from PvP that we can use to ignore the positional requirements.

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Originally Posted by Mardel

Funny attempt at trying to make it sound "fair" but you must consider you won't get to do those IF you mess up the Heavy thrust and chaos thrust combo.

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I do consider that. I'm just saying that the "optional" positions come with the design that all monk combo abilities have positional requirements.
So you want the less punishing system, you should have to dance like monks too.

Decent trade right?
Currently.
MNK pro - Positionals are only potency bonuses rather than requirements.
MNK con - All combo moves have this bonus.

DRG pro - Only 2 positionals
DRG con - Much more punishing if positional is missed.

The DRG system feels fairly clunky, I'd admit. But if you want the same positionals as the MNK, then add them to all your moves as well since that's the balance.

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Originally Posted by Mardel

Funny attempt at trying to make it sound "fair"

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Well that is the concept, Dragoons have fewer moves with positional requirements but are more heavily punished for failing to be in the correct position. Monks have tons of postional requirements but lose less on each individual miss.

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Originally Posted by Allyrion

I do consider that. I'm just saying that the "optional" positions come with the design that all monk combo abilities have positional requirements.
So you want the less punishing system, you should have to dance like monks too.

Decent trade right?
Currently.
MNK pro - Positionals are only potency bonuses rather than requirements.
MNK con - All combo moves have this bonus.

DRG pro - Only 2 positionals
DRG con - Much more punishing if positional is missed.

The DRG system feels fairly clunky, I'd admit. But if you want the same positionals as the MNK, then add them to all your moves as well since that's the balance.

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I agree on that point, though I think drg should have been more side oriented.

If you can't get an attack from the correct direction you can use the combo that doesn't need a direction.

Doing that gives you plenty of potency. True thrust vorpal thrust full thrust. 150 > 200 > 330. Your damage is fine.