Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

Someone got mad that I replaced their kicked kitten in the latest raid:

https://i.ibb.co/qYGpfpt/Jeuno-Kicked-Kitten-1.png

In NA I joined a P12S reclear.... my first reclear.
Unfortunately, in P2 I started to make repeated mistakes. I felt anxiety coming up and nerves.
This never helps. Encouraging helps to clear it but instead people became impatient. Told me to focus up. I apologized every time.
Even when people wiped, nobody says anything. But I apologized when I made mistakes because it's how I am used to.
They started to make me feel more insecure and anxious, of course it will lead to more wipes!!!! After one more wipe... I said one moment.
At that moment I knew my apologies meant nothing. It was my bad and I had to .... "git gud" whatever they said was.
But I took on the advice "Focus up!" Because that was the problem. See, in P1 I made no mistakes, others did, causing a few wipes.
So by time we got to P2 my focus was lost where focusing and trying to keep up becomes difficult.
I never defended my wipes. If they berated me for wiping, I apologized for it.
But the berating became too much and anxiety built up. I told them "If next time I wipe the PT, please replace me! I will focus up!"
I drink water. Refresh self. They quieted down, fast-pulled again. We went.... we won!! I put everything I could muster to focus and made no mistakes.
Normally after a clear if I wiped a lot, I mentioned I performed too badly and would leave so they can be compensated for the long time.
I do not roll on loot and leave the instance because I feel I don't feel like I deserve the loot. This would've been the case if they had treated me respectfull.
Instead I decided to try my luck because I worked just as hard and they were rude. Incredibly rude.

I won the mount, the weapon and the music. They called me disrespectful and my response was: "Good game!"
The amount of wipes I caused P2 was nothing compared to P1 wipes - I worked hard for it. Regardless of what they felt.

I wish I'd taken a screenshot. I had someone in Sphene EX yesterday who kept removing my phase 2 "AFK" markers in favor of Coronation markers. I pushed back on this, which eventually culminated in them openly admitting that they are unable to find the corner of a square unaided. Spoiler alert: even with Coronation markers, they had absolutely no idea where to go, so they clearly were lying their way into a party much further along than they were.

Got the 87 dungeon for leveling roulette. I'm on DRG. I'm not a good DRG, but I have a vague idea of when to properly backflip out of danger.

The entire dungeon went perfectly fine up until the last boss. The tank said they'd never tanked it before. I told them to yell their name really loudly and pull everything. They did not yell their name really loudly, but they did pull everything and did just fine.

The healer, on the other hand, rescued me out of one of the final boss's aoes right before I backflipped. So I wound up backflipping into the death wall instead of where I wanted to go. I dashed to the boss to get out of the death wall, only to get hit by the aoe and killed. While dead, I said "please don't rescue anyone like that again" in party chat. The RDM ressed me, I got up, the fight kept going. About 30 seconds later, I died to unavoidable damage. The healer was just standing there and died to something shortly thereafter. They said something in party chat like "tired of people dying all run, go ahead and be butthurt about me trying to help you, this is why I don't use rescue". My response was "I tried to backflip to the safespot, look how that turned out", followed by me taking the res from the RDM. The RDM also ressed the healer, but they didn't take it and it timed out.

The RDM ressed the healer a second time, and it timed out a second time.

I was too busy trying to keep my scuffed DRG rotation together to notice how much Vercuring the RDM was or wasn't doing, but I credit him with the fact that we survived that pull. Both for all the resses and for him finishing the boss off with LB2 after I died to unavoidable damage again. Right before the boss died, the healer send a paragraph in party chat complaining about me complaining about his rescue, and telling me to "F off" at the end for daring to notice it amidst all the other "problems" happening.

Like, bro, the very first death we had all dungeon was during the final boss and it wouldn't have happened if you had kept your rescue to yourself. Yes, people were taking vuln stacks earlier (particularly the tank on the second boss), but it wasn't anything run-breaking the way you deliberately letting two resses time out almost resulted in us wiping to a boss we managed to kill without you.

So I commed the tank because the RDM left immediately after the boss died, said "now who's butthurt" in party chat, and left. I legitimately don't understand why my remark upset the healer so much that they decided to stop playing entirely for the rest of the boss fight, but that's for them to figure out. Easy blacklist, post in TfDF, move on with my life on my end.

this is old but it still makes me laugh every time

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Just finished O6 and noticed there were...7 hrothgar. Wasn't able to screenshot but that might be a record over here.

Get E6 for my normal raid roulette and it was a circus as expected but what really made me mad was this one tank that had the nerve to complain about not getting an esuna for concussion (You can't esuna it in this fight, they failed the mechanic) when they murdered DPS at least five times with the tank busters throughout the fight by RUNNING AT THEM AS IT CAME OUT. I have half a mind to report them for griefing cause I refuse to believe someone could be that idiotic without trying on purpose.

I was on M4N, look over the party list, and...

https://i.imgur.com/I7EINet.png

This always makes me unreasonably mildly annoyed to be at the top of the DPS enmity list, I have the lowest personal damage in the game, I make one of you deal 10% more damage just by existing, what's the excuse!

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

I was on M4N, look over the party list, and...

https://i.imgur.com/I7EINet.png

This always makes me unreasonably mildly annoyed to be at the top of the DPS enmity list, I have the lowest personal damage in the game, I make one of you deal 10% more damage just by existing, what's the excuse!

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See here: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6635583

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

I was on M4N, look over the party list, and...

https://i.imgur.com/I7EINet.png

This always makes me unreasonably mildly annoyed to be at the top of the DPS enmity list, I have the lowest personal damage in the game, I make one of you deal 10% more damage just by existing, what's the excuse!

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This, as a healer main who also tops enmity list unreasonably often, I consider to be a mindset issue. For me it's an achievement to be best DPS and often when I do play a DPS job I give a commendation to someone who generates more aggro than me. It makes for a happier time, doesn't mean I condone people being that bad at their jobs but it's one of those laugh or cry (or be mildly annoyed) things and I choose to laugh.

Me: *on DRK, is running to the next pack in the 95 dungeon after the second boss and upwards toward the ramp*
AST in my party: *took serious issue with that, Rescues me, stating there's nothing ahead*

Yes, yes there is something ahead. It's bright and shiny and I will not be denied that shiny sight at the wall. Hamster will have her sight at the wall!

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Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers

This, as a healer main who also tops enmity list unreasonably often, I consider to be a mindset issue. For me it's an achievement to be best DPS and often when I do play a DPS job I give a commendation to someone who generates more aggro than me. It makes for a happier time, doesn't mean I condone people being that bad at their jobs but it's one of those laugh or cry (or be mildly annoyed) things and I choose to laugh.

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Oh, do note that I am being playful about this, I used an oxymoron like "unreasonably mildly annoyed" to play it up, does it annoy me? I mean yeah, but it isn't like anything that is going to ruin my day, I just roll eyes and move on, I have plenty of "It is what it is" in the tank to handle this stuff, I can also see that I was easily the best-geared DPS in the party just from looking at HP values so that's probably a huge contributor to me being ahead, and the VPR did LB3 properly when it was clear we didn't need a Healer LB crutch, and I consider that a win enough in my book.

It finally happened to me.

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Nothing special, just a leveling roulette in Halatali - rogue always stands in the distance, just throwing their daggers at trash and the first boss. I think I worded my advice properly, but obviously they were not in the mood to improve their game. The group decided to part ways soon after (exactly 5 minutes after dungeon start ;) )

I read alot about those clowns, but never met one myself.

So the other day I replaced a healer who wouldn't heal on Ultima weapon normal. When I came in, the whole damn party had the echo buff, and I was an 8 minute replacement. I honestly don't know if the healer had left because the group wouldn't let them get away with being a green dps for fast queue times or if they were just genuinely incompetent, but once I was in there as SCH we cleared it quickly.

Yesterday I might have ran into said healer while I had unlocked PCT on an alt. Ultima weapon normal, get a WHM in full ascension gear for being level 90, barrier drops and first raidwide goes out...the whm doesn't heal it, instead chooses to continue to dps. I had side-eyed them as normally a Medica II would easily take care of everyone while you continue to dps.

Partway through this fight, the tank is sitting on two-digit hp before they FINALLY get a heal while the whm goes back to dpsing. Next two titan slams we're all sitting at very low health, and during Titan to Garuda transition we almost die...except for the WHM, whom is as healthy as an old bird. Somehow during Garuda phase the tank dies, and the DNC in our group has aggro. WHM deigns to raise the tank, FINALLY decides to heal the group, and goes back to dpsing. The poor PLD tank managed to scrape through while both me and the DNC are trying our best to make sure the tank can heal between transitions.

Phase 2 starts, raidwides go out, and we don't get any healing. I pop a pot to get my hp back up so I can continue to at least dps, more raidwides go out, and eventually the tank dies again from no healing. DNC is next and aggro and unfortunately they're stuck with the tankbuster. The WHM in question continues to sit there and dps while taking a moment to contemplate what was happening, and DNC dies to the tankbuster. Meanwhile the tank is finally getting another raise, and I have aggro. Unfortunately I cannot sustain myself with a singular pot, and I die to autos because I didn't get any healing. Tank gets back up the second the WHM gets aggro and they're now panic healing themselves and the PLD. DNC gets a raise while I remain on the floor until Ultima starts casting Ultima. Maybe 50% in I finally get raised, and we were just 5 seconds away from having a complete wipe.

I gave my comm to the dancer, I felt bad for the PLD for having to deal with that, and glared angrily at the WHM for wanting fast queues and neglecting their job. Healing ain't hard yo.

I learned that a summoner can keep a party alive through Copperbell Mines.

So we load into the dungeon and we're ready to go, wait for the CNJ to finish their cutscene and progress through the dungeon as usual. Except the CNJ doesn't move. And continues to not move. Nothing worrisome maybe they just got up real quick to get something, stuff happens. Then five minutes went by and still nothing. I begin to wonder who hits 'commence' on the DF window and then just leaves their PC but whatever, it's the leveling roulette, I got time.

Eventually the tank starts creeping further into the dungeon and pulls the first couple trash mobs probably to see if they can handle doing it by themselves. I then had the silly realization that summoners for some reason STILL HAVE PHYSICK. So we get the idea to try creeping through the dungeon one trash pull at a time while I kept the team up with my piddly 400 potency heal.

We get to the first boss and I'm like 'oh no' but it turns out I could still keep the team up completely full if I managed it right.

BTW the CNJ still hasn't said anything or moved from the starting zone.

So we finish the boss and are about to proceed to the next area when I swing my camera around and the CNJ is standing behind me. I'm a little spooked but YAY maybe this means a normal dungeon run now!

CNJ proceeds to not move again from that new location even as we progress through the dungeon to the slime boss. Again, I'm able to keep the team healed and handle DPS moderately well! BTW I've NEVER healed in a dungeon before, I'm a DPS main!

And again, somehow the CNJ appears in the zone when I'm not looking. So I finally asked in the chat if they're running there or am I losing my mind and they've discovered apparition. Then the CNJ moves! They run towards the team, wait for the wall to go down, and then start RUNNING THROUGH THE REST OF THE DUNGEON HEAD LONG PULLING EVERY SINGLE TRASH MOB UNTIL THEY GET TO THE FINAL BOSS. To which the promptly get blasted into the ground by the 16 coblyns, trolls, and spriggans and then immediately use return to get to the start of the dungeon.

Needless to say, the rest of us were very shocked. I was completely unnerved. They then spouted some nonsense about 'gigi's' in the chat while we waited to see if they'd come back to the end boss.

Finally they arrive and we complete the end boss with them behaving as a normal CNJ is expected to. For some reason, no reason actually, they used rescue on me to yank me across the fight zone, then proceeded to just stare at me as the boss was finished and we were able to escape leave. At this point I was convinced they were some sort of bot and was wholly unnerved by the whole thing, asked them jokingly to 'blink if you're okay' to which they responded with 'blink is a spell' and I decided I was outta there.

Maybe I'll try a healing class... it was kinda fun.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

Me: *on DRK, is running to the next pack in the 95 dungeon after the second boss and upwards toward the ramp*
AST in my party: *took serious issue with that, Rescues me, stating there's nothing ahead*

Yes, yes there is something ahead. It's bright and shiny and I will not be denied that shiny sight at the wall. Hamster will have her sight at the wall!

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To be fair to that AST (I don't know the exact circumstances this might not apply to you but I've seen it happen all the same) there are some tanks who after having pulled all the enemies and their astro will have placed their Earthly Star, and said tank just...pulls the enemies out of the star for no reason so they can go to the roadblock. It's kinda...facepalm-worthy, I guess?

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Originally Posted by Ascended_Demon

To be fair to that AST (I don't know the exact circumstances this might not apply to you but I've seen it happen all the same) there are some tanks who after having pulled all the enemies and their astro will have placed their Earthly Star, and said tank just...pulls the enemies out of the star for no reason so they can go to the roadblock. It's kinda...facepalm-worthy, I guess?

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They had popped their star right as the second boss had died, so there wouldn't have been enough cooldown time to place a new one at the singular pack. I remember because I was running for the boss room exit when I saw the glitter explosion and was like 'why'd you use your star when the boss was about to die?' and didn't think much of it until I got Rescued. Granted throughout the dungeon they were only using it maybe once a pack or less. Granted the only serious healing they did for me was spamming Aspected Benefic, and the occasional Benefic II and mostly ignoring the rest of their kit, but keeping me alive long enough to prevent me from proccing Living Dead.

I will point out that most tanks will keep pulling until they hit a wall, as is standard practice in most dungeon pulls. Once the tank parks that's the best time to drop your floor aoe stuff as trash packs in current content take time to put down. Putting aoes down when the tank is still pulling is wasted resources/lost dps, unless you're a single-puller.

It's hard for me to take a healer seriously when you've got so much at your disposal in a 95 dungeon and yet only touch maybe 1/4 of your kit for most of it. I wouldn't have had a personal laugh at the AST's expense had they not Rescued me before the ramp. I can attest it to an angry yet lazy mother not wanting their child to run off despite being on a harness.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

I was on M4N, look over the party list, and...

https://i.imgur.com/I7EINet.png

This always makes me unreasonably mildly annoyed to be at the top of the DPS enmity list, I have the lowest personal damage in the game, I make one of you deal 10% more damage just by existing, what's the excuse!

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Whenever I'm DPS and a DNC is higher on the Enmity list than me (usually when I'm BRD, so not *that* big of a surprise), it really pisses me off and makes me work harder. In the end, I have to give them the comm because apparently they were a damn good DNC.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

They had popped their star right as the second boss had died, so there wouldn't have been enough cooldown time to place a new one at the singular pack. I remember because I was running for the boss room exit when I saw the glitter explosion and was like 'why'd you use your star when the boss was about to die?' and didn't think much of it until I got Rescued. Granted throughout the dungeon they were only using it maybe once a pack or less. Granted the only serious healing they did for me was spamming Aspected Benefic, and the occasional Benefic II and mostly ignoring the rest of their kit, but keeping me alive long enough to prevent me from proccing Living Dead.

I will point out that most tanks will keep pulling until they hit a wall, as is standard practice in most dungeon pulls. Once the tank parks that's the best time to drop your floor aoe stuff as trash packs in current content take time to put down. Putting aoes down when the tank is still pulling is wasted resources/lost dps, unless you're a single-puller.

It's hard for me to take a healer seriously when you've got so much at your disposal in a 95 dungeon and yet only touch maybe 1/4 of your kit for most of it. I wouldn't have had a personal laugh at the AST's expense had they not Rescued me before the ramp. I can attest it to an angry yet lazy mother not wanting their child to run off despite being on a harness.

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Oh yikes, honestly I'm kind of surprised they were even using Earthly Star if the only healing they were really doing was Aspected Benefic and Benefic II, what a waste. Funny how they had Rescue on their hotbar too.

Maybe the pulling to roadblocks is more a preference thing because I can see the reason why one would want to but I can also see benefit to staying where the last pulled pack was. There tends to be less space right by the roadblocks which can be good for clustering enemies together, but it could make it more claustrophobic and dodging enemy AoEs annoying. But I feel you, I feel you, gotta hamster run it.

Been a while since the last time I contributed vented anything here so I thought about sharing a rather jarring run of The Skydeep Cenote from minutes ago. Zoned in via roulette as a DRK, my party consists of SCH, RPR, and PCT. No first timer.

First pull into the run and I could already tell the duty was going to take a while. Why? The SCH spends the entire time doing nothing but waiting until I lose about 30%'ish health before start incessantly casting Physucks and/or Adloquium. Other healing buttons aside those two? A rarity. Biolysis? Unheard of, except bosses. Art of War II? Cast less than 5 times in total across entire length of the duty. Broil IV? Maybe when they felt like to in bosses... which wasn't much. What about spamming Ruin IIs? They'd do that at least right? Hahahahahno, lol.

Suffice to say, I grew grumpy & suspicious over time. I tested the waters by eating trash pulls AoEs occasionally just to see if that was a bot I was dealing with. Fast forward to last trash pull before 3rd boss, I dropped the big gun by pulling everything without pressing any cooldowns---no, not even TBN. Now obviously, this antic killed me. When I ate dirt, suddenly all sort random sparkly stuffs comes out from the SCH... (oh so they're probably not a bot at all! Good to know!), a sign of them panicking probably. None of the DPSes died as I was raised in time to re-aggro everything. Still, the pull remainder took just enough time for my weakness debuff to clear before we ride the electrope slab to reach the 3rd boss.

Pray (not) tell me dear SCH, what was the deal with that? If a Cure I/Benefic I/Physuck/Diagnosis Mage could spam those and kept me alive in these wall pulls as I've experienced plenty of times in the past, then what were you doing back there...? You already barely press anything that doesn't push HP bar to the right... but that's not even the part I'm most grumpy about. Did you even tried...? At least those Cure I/Benefic I/Physuck/Diagnosis Mage tried irrespective to their poor button choices... but you, what were you doing in this lv95 dungeon...? :/

End rant. /playdead

EDIT: Oh yeah, that entire run took about 24m to clear.

Today I died in a dungeon because the Tank tuned off stance cuz they didn't want to take damage.

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Sometimes roulette can be so tiring...

The other day did the Jeuno raid...was fine until a summoner from the alliance decided to run with me as I tried to take my marker to the wall away from players...he ran with his onto mine lol and it killed us both.

I am not elitist in any shape or form but being in there surely you need to know that a big red circle under your feet means get out of the way of others and wait for it to resolve I think he thought it was a stack marker >.<

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Originally Posted by Luluna

The other day did the Jeuno raid...was fine until a summoner from the alliance decided to run with me as I tried to take my marker to the wall away from players...he ran with his onto mine lol and it killed us both.

I am not elitist in any shape or form but being in there surely you need to know that a big red circle under your feet means get out of the way of others and wait for it to resolve I think he thought it was a stack marker >.<

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That as often as not is a lag thing in getting the other player's position updates from the server, the other player may have been seeing themselves run in front and you chasing him. The annoying thing is that the moment you realize that is happening, you have to blind-guess if you should change direction, or if the other player will have reached the same conclusion at similar reaction time, and may be reversing direction too.

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Originally Posted by Eyrilona

That as often as not is a lag thing in getting the other player's position updates from the server, the other player may have been seeing themselves run in front and you chasing him. The annoying thing is that the moment you realize that is happening, you have to blind-guess if you should change direction, or if the other player will have reached the same conclusion at similar reaction time, and may be reversing direction too.

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ahh ok all good it killed us both I am on PS5 he should not have been anywhere near me it must have been as you said the server ^O^

Today I got a daily raid with 7 lalas... The intenso spam of "wah" was unreal "I've never asked for this..."

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Originally Posted by XelaYura

Today I got a daily raid with 7 lalas... The intenso spam of "wah" was unreal "I've never asked for this..."

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Frontline on new year's eve had a couple of light parties of them who had clearly been drinking heavily. Swear I heard "wah...hic!"

To the dancer on my server that I just had in Aglaia:

I politely asked you if you wanted to Tech Step first or second, you never replied to me but used Tech Step first. I bent over backwards the whole dang run to make sure our Tech Steps wouldn't overwrite. Overwriting another Tech Step with your own is still a major no-no, something you should understand at 100.

But on the last boss you were purposefully letting yours drift a lot to the point where mine was up and you would overwrite mine EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. You refused to politely wait until the buff ran out so we wouldn't waste buffs, since I'm guessing you got super offended by me just trying to level dancer simply existing in your alliance run.

I hope you step on a fat roach while trying to get to the bathroom at 2 am.

Sincerely,

One very disappointed dancer who just wanted to coordinate Tech Step with you.

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Originally Posted by XelaYura

Today I got a daily raid with 7 lalas... The intenso spam of "wah" was unreal "I've never asked for this..."

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It's funny when they come up to me and "wah," and I give them the "what the hell is wrong with you!?" Look.

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It's funny when they come up to me and "wah," and I give them the "what the hell is wrong with you!?" Look.

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You're a saint among Lala's.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

To the dancer on my server that I just had in Aglaia:

I politely asked you if you wanted to Tech Step first or second, you never replied to me but used Tech Step first. I bent over backwards the whole dang run to make sure our Tech Steps wouldn't overwrite. Overwriting another Tech Step with your own is still a major no-no, something you should understand at 100.

But on the last boss you were purposefully letting yours drift a lot to the point where mine was up and you would overwrite mine EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. You refused to politely wait until the buff ran out so we wouldn't waste buffs, since I'm guessing you got super offended by me just trying to level dancer simply existing in your alliance run.

I hope you step on a fat roach while trying to get to the bathroom at 2 am.

Sincerely,

One very disappointed dancer who just wanted to coordinate Tech Step with you.

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I'll probably get flak for this, but, while I admire your dedication, as someone who has played mostly DNC over the past several months, if I'm in a group with another DNC, I will not pay the slightest bit of attention to what they're doing and will make zero effort to coordinate with them. There is no content in the game where you would end up with two DNCs in which the time saved due to smart coordinating would be more than a handful of seconds, and, though I haven't done the math, I would not be remotely surprised if you actually lose group DPS because one DNC isn't using their burst rotation during two-minute windows. There's just no meaningful reward for the effort.

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Originally Posted by TemporalFruitsAndVeggies

I'll probably get flak for this, but, while I admire your dedication, as someone who has played mostly DNC over the past several months, if I'm in a group with another DNC, I will not pay the slightest bit of attention to what they're doing and will make zero effort to coordinate with them. There is no content in the game where you would end up with two DNCs in which the time saved due to smart coordinating would be more than a handful of seconds, and, though I haven't done the math, I would not be remotely surprised if you actually lose group DPS because one DNC isn't using their burst rotation during two-minute windows. There's just no meaningful reward for the effort.

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+. It's not nice not to reply in the chat, but it's an optimisation that's not at all dramatic for content like Aglaia.

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the Tank tuned off stance cuz they didn't want to take damage.

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Now this is something which is a tragedy. A hilarious tragedy, but a tragedy nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by TemporalFruitsAndVeggies

I'll probably get flak for this, but, while I admire your dedication, as someone who has played mostly DNC over the past several months, if I'm in a group with another DNC, I will not pay the slightest bit of attention to what they're doing and will make zero effort to coordinate with them. There is no content in the game where you would end up with two DNCs in which the time saved due to smart coordinating would be more than a handful of seconds, and, though I haven't done the math, I would not be remotely surprised if you actually lose group DPS because one DNC isn't using their burst rotation during two-minute windows. There's just no meaningful reward for the effort.

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If one dancer overwrites another dancers Tech Step early, the first dancer basically loses half their damage, Espirit stack gain, and potential Saber Dances, not to mention more party damage. Because of said dancer purposefully overwriting mine, we actually saw scales on Nald'thal and almost wiped since I'm guessing people in the run had not seen Scales for so long they almost forgot how it worked.

Please coordinate with your other dancers. That Tech Step damage staggering adds up A LOT.

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Originally Posted by TemporalFruitsAndVeggies

I'll probably get flak for this, but, while I admire your dedication, as someone who has played mostly DNC over the past several months, if I'm in a group with another DNC, I will not pay the slightest bit of attention to what they're doing and will make zero effort to coordinate with them. There is no content in the game where you would end up with two DNCs in which the time saved due to smart coordinating would be more than a handful of seconds, and, though I haven't done the math, I would not be remotely surprised if you actually lose group DPS because one DNC isn't using their burst rotation during two-minute windows. There's just no meaningful reward for the effort.

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You… you do realize the dancer staggering their tech step still uses their burst during the window, right? Tech step is the only move they’re staggering. I doubt extending the party-wide damage buff is an overall dps loss.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

If one dancer overwrites another dancers Tech Step early, the first dancer basically loses half their damage, Espirit stack gain, and potential Saber Dances, not to mention more party damage. Because of said dancer purposefully overwriting mine, we actually saw scales on Nald'thal and almost wiped since I'm guessing people in the run had not seen Scales for so long they almost forgot how it worked.

Please coordinate with your other dancers. That Tech Step damage staggering adds up A LOT.

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I went back and read the tooltip again for Technical Finish, and I was quite wrong and you were quite right. Technical Finish does more than I realized.

I'm unconvinced on the magnitude of the difference it makes, though, especially in trivial content like Aglaia, but I'm not about to sit down and do the potency math in different group combinations. If someone else has done the math, I'd be happy to read through it. But ultimately I'm guessing it still just boils down to a handful of seconds.

That said, you have successfully converted me to a person who, if asked by another DNC to coordinate, will agree to coordinate. I would not go so far as to ask another DNC to coordinate.

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Originally Posted by Silaryn

You… you do realize the dancer staggering their tech step still uses their burst during the window, right? Tech step is the only move they’re staggering. I doubt extending the party-wide damage buff is an overall dps loss.

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I mean you lose 2,900 potency in total during the two-minute window by delaying Technical Finish, but I guess your one-minute burst plus a Starfall Dance is still technically a burst, so, yeah, sure. Technically, the make-up 2,900 potency later will be weaker, too, because you won't have Devilment up for it.

Esprit buff stays even when two DNC overwrite their Technical. The 5% damage buff though? Yeah, they're gone.

I personally just move my Technical Step to odd numbered minutes when there's 2nd DNC in the party. That seems to be a better mileage considering there are still 1m job remaining + you also get your own Flourish window. Works like a charm half of the time for me. The other half is having that 2nd DNC drifts their Technical and still somehow ends up overwriting my odd minute Technical (probably they forgot until they see my technical and be like "Oh right I have this!").

Other than that, it's just unfortunate of an occasion for game to pair you with dupe jobs in general.

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Originally Posted by TemporalFruitsAndVeggies

I went back and read the tooltip again for Technical Finish, and I was quite wrong and you were quite right. Technical Finish does more than I realized.

I'm unconvinced on the magnitude of the difference it makes, though, especially in trivial content like Aglaia, but I'm not about to sit down and do the potency math in different group combinations. If someone else has done the math, I'd be happy to read through it. But ultimately I'm guessing it still just boils down to a handful of seconds.

That said, you have successfully converted me to a person who, if asked by another DNC to coordinate, will agree to coordinate. I would not go so far as to ask another DNC to coordinate.



I mean you lose 2,900 potency in total during the two-minute window by delaying Technical Finish, but I guess your one-minute burst plus a Starfall Dance is still technically a burst, so, yeah, sure. Technically, the make-up 2,900 potency later will be weaker, too, because you won't have Devilment up for it.

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You forgot Devilment but you could add Technical Finish to your “technically a burst” too. If you use Technical Step with 7 seconds left of the buff you can use Technical Finish within your devilment buff and the other dancer’s technical finish. It’s still a personal potency loss but I don’t think it’s as big of a potency loss as you think. At the end of my first post I meant overall group dps would not be lower, not personal dps. That’s my fault for not specifying.

Edit: I don’t think you intentionally left out Devilment I’m just including it for completion’s sake.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

If one dancer overwrites another dancers Tech Step early, the first dancer basically loses half their damage, Espirit stack gain, and potential Saber Dances, not to mention more party damage. Because of said dancer purposefully overwriting mine, we actually saw scales on Nald'thal and almost wiped since I'm guessing people in the run had not seen Scales for so long they almost forgot how it worked..

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This is wrong, the only thing you lose by overlapping Tech Steps is the 5% damage buff for 20 seconds, red Esprit buff and the extra Saber Dances resulting from such buff will still be there, here's exactly how multiple DNC works:

Standard Step: Fully stack with each other, should there be an excess of DNC in the party, either in 4-player content, or 8-content where you got 3 or more DNC in the same party, DNC should Partner each other, but a third DNC will not stack with either of them, while they are visually identical, think of the Standard Step buff as "out"(that you apply to your Dance Partner) and "in"(that you apply to yourself), two "out" buffs can't stack, but an "in" and an "out" buff can.

Technical Step: The Esprit buff will stack, with both being active on the party and having independent procs, but the 5% damage buff will not.

Devilment: Devilment cannot stack with each other, in any situation, while this is an issue in 4-player content, in 8-player it will never be an issue unless you your party could be mistaken for a theater troupe.

If your alliance saw scales, it's not because of the singular instance of the a 5% buff got wasted, it's because your alliance sucked and you tried to look for a reason for it, so you pinned the blame on something that annoyed you, unless you were running on extremely thin DPS margins... which probably still means your alliance sucked.

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Originally Posted by TemporalFruitsAndVeggies

I'll probably get flak for this, but, while I admire your dedication, as someone who has played mostly DNC over the past several months, if I'm in a group with another DNC, I will not pay the slightest bit of attention to what they're doing and will make zero effort to coordinate with them. There is no content in the game where you would end up with two DNCs in which the time saved due to smart coordinating would be more than a handful of seconds, and, though I haven't done the math, I would not be remotely surprised if you actually lose group DPS because one DNC isn't using their burst rotation during two-minute windows. There's just no meaningful reward for the effort.

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Before SE made the changes to the LB charge, I did double DNC in UWU and it took us about 2 minutes to discuss who shields first and who uses our steps first. Thats about all you need if you have two dancer. But in casual content this should not be even a problem. Casual contetn is designed taht you can do it with any type of characters. We had Aglaia runs with only tanks first week xD

After 15 years with this game I finally had one of those moments where I had an encounter with one of those players you hear about, but seldom actually see.

So, like many I am bored and am leveling an alt for laughs. I get into Cutter Cry and just before the second boss, the tank runs into one of the sand things and leaves me, the healer, with the 2 dps. I sleep the mobs, they wake them up, I sleep them, they wake them up, I sleep them, they wake them up. You get the idea. So deaths happen and I just went into the boss. I said, "Sleeping only works if you don't wake the mobs" Which I was told in reply to then tell the party what I was doing. I wasnt sure why I had to since they clearly saw me spamming repose, so you think common sense would kick in and they would stop fighting since the mobs were wiping the floor with them, but sadly no.

So, I thought I would be silly and on the final boss I said. "Just letting you know, for this boss I will be healing, maybe some dps." then there was a mech I had to run from and I said, "Now I'm running!" again I thought I was being cute, maybe a lil funny. What was the reply I got? "Yeah, your mouth! Go back to WoW!" and they left lol.

I mean, it was so funny. You hear these stories about overly sensitive, humorless and fragile players, but man its rare you run into one. Made me chuckle at least.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

After 15 years with this game I finally had one of those moments where I had an encounter with one of those players you hear about, but seldom actually see.

So, like many I am bored and am leveling an alt for laughs. I get into Cutter Cry and just before the second boss, the tank runs into one of the sand things and leaves me, the healer, with the 2 dps. I sleep the mobs, they wake them up, I sleep them, they wake them up, I sleep them, they wake them up. You get the idea. So deaths happen and I just went into the boss. I said, "Sleeping only works if you don't wake the mobs" Which I was told in reply to then tell the party what I was doing. I wasnt sure why I had to since they clearly saw me spamming repose, so you think common sense would kick in and they would stop fighting since the mobs were wiping the floor with them, but sadly no.

So, I thought I would be silly and on the final boss I said. "Just letting you know, for this boss I will be healing, maybe some dps." then there was a mech I had to run from and I said, "Now I'm running!" again I thought I was being cute, maybe a lil funny. What was the reply I got? "Yeah, your mouth! Go back to WoW!" and they left lol.

I mean, it was so funny. You hear these stories about overly sensitive, humorless and fragile players, but man its rare you run into one. Made me chuckle at least.

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They probably didn't see you do it. When you do your rotation, you don't necessarily have time to hold your finger back when you see the ‘sleep’ status displayed on the mob. Their fault? Partly. We're dealing with players who don't look at your status bar and your cast. But it's a bit like one of those cases where the DRK uses LD, while the whm at the same time thinks it would be cool to slap benediction at the same time: nobody's fault, poor coordination and not necessarily paying attention, which is pretty normal in an instance you've done hundreds of times.

So er... Without wanting to be too controversial or unpleasant, I think you should have made it clear at the time. Or simply heal them by abandoning the idea of sleep, which is possible at this level (from memory, it works without a tank in this dungeon. Unless the pack was huge).