Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

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Originally Posted by Jxnibbles

Sadly I agree it is meh. I don't think the 4.3 change is going to change much of anything.

We will still see some players left behind. Bosses will still melt.

I guess we will see what happens in future patches.

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Well, in the run I did, people were actually taking their time, killing everything, waiting for the newbie to catch up, etc. I suppose once you weed out all the bad players that were impatient before these changes, it's better.

However, again, wait times are an issue as is how long the cutscenes add onto the dungeon.

Main Story roulette is a roulette dedicated to last (2.0) two episodes of the story, not your farming ground.

Deal With It. Once and for all.

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Originally Posted by Louvain

...Additionally, even though they may no longer be skippable, the bosses will still be burned down in a matter of moments because of the high ilevel sync, leaving the new player with a feeling of lack of accomplishment and defeating the point of this change.

My suggestion is to just remove it from duty roulette entirely and change it into a personal instance, allowing the player better interaction with the duty....

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If I would have done praetorium solo, and solo beat Ultima it would have been a greater disappointment...

Wait, what, did I just solo kill the ultimate boss of the game ?!!

Also I don't see what's the problem : my very first runs of praetorium and castrum centris were ultra confusing and disappointing so it is a welcome change to me.
Not getting your tomestone fast enough, too bad for you, deal with it.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

Main Story roulette is a roulette dedicated to last (2.0) two episodes of the story, not your farming ground.

Deal With It. Once and for all.

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While it's true that it was not the devs' original intention, they were definitely pushed into bribing players to replay it daily. If it wasn't some people's farming ground, the actual new players who need to do it for the first time would wait hours for a queue pop. If they got it at all. Eventually many would probably give up and either ask for refunds on the expansions they bought but couldn't access or would have to assemble a premade, probably undersized and unsynced. It would suffer the same fate as the Coils (ie: if it weren't for unsynced WT runs, new players wouldn't have a chance to clear them).

The tomestone and EXP incentives are an essential aspect of the main story roulette. I'm not sure many people do it for fun or out of altruism for new players.

Funnily enough, many of the MQ roulette runs I get don't have any new players in them. Roughly half the time I don't see anyone still in cutscene after the final bosses. Their primary motivation is farming. Helping new players get through poorly designed and implemented content is just an unintended side-effect that happens as a matter of course.

Unfortunately a "true" fix to the problem of CM/Prae likely involves a 3-6 month delay in the implementation of 5.0, and I don't think there are a lot of people who are willing to make that trade.

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Originally Posted by Braneric

Unfortunately a "true" fix to the problem of CM/Prae likely involves a 3-6 month delay in the implementation of 5.0, and I don't think there are a lot of people who are willing to make that trade.

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They've had five years. Time is no excuse. Delete the dungeon if they can't bring it up to standard.

I'd rather new players quit over a hole in the MSQ than get dragged into another one of these dumpsterfire wastes of time in mentor roulette, especially since I could actually be more help literally anywhere else. Prae/Castrum don't need 8 people, and until SE adjusts or deletes the place, I'll keep calling it a failure and refusing to run it.

Furthermore, if someone's five years late to the party I don't care what they miss in the storyline; they should start with a free 60 and look back at the cutscenes for what they were too late to catch. Too many of them get stuck in a treadmill of trying to optimize their road to 60 buff, leveling everything and understanding none of it, and get burnt out before they ever play the actual game.

At this point, a year into Stormblood, you're visited Kugane or you're wasting your time. And *my* time.

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Originally Posted by Ceallach

Frankly, I love these new changes. It serves people right for just speeding through the dungeons and ruining the experience for the new players. Just the other day, my free company and I queued up with a total of seven people, and our eighth was a new player. We granted him the full experience instead of just speeding through, and he was having the time of his life.

Maybe people should learn to be more selfless instead of griping about changes that their own actions basically forced.

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And because of you and your kin's wish, now new players are having difficult time to progress since veterans rarely que for this poop... Eat that selfless motto of yours. I bet you are not that "selfless" either to que everyday for these unskipable dungeons and help new players progress

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Originally Posted by van_arn

I'd rather new players quit over a hole in the MSQ than get dragged into another one of these dumpsterfire wastes of time in mentor roulette, especially since I could actually be more help literally anywhere else. Prae/Castrum don't need 8 people, and until SE adjusts or deletes the place, I'll keep calling it a failure and refusing to run it.

Furthermore, if someone's five years late to the party I don't care what they miss in the storyline; they should start with a free 60 and look back at the cutscenes for what they were too late to catch. Too many of them get stuck in a treadmill of trying to optimize their road to 60 buff, leveling everything and understanding none of it, and get burnt out before they ever play the actual game.

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I think that is a bit harsh to be content with new players quitting like that. At the end of the day, as long as the newbies get to experience cutscenes when they first get into the 8-man dungeons, everyone respects each other, and everyone gets rewarded with tomes and stuff. Everyone wins one way or another. I believe in the "Everyone wins" mentality of completing stuff when working as a team. In addition, little things and rewards gained goes a long way for me.

If people want to learn how to optimize whatever role they are playing, it's a gradual experience that they must choose for themselves. The Balance Discord is one option to choose among many others.

Its really not that bad with its current bonus,
I ran it yesterday and even had someone new in it.
It was nice getting 400 tomes.

If you don't like msq don't do it.

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Originally Posted by ximxim

And because of you and your kin's wish, now new players are having difficult time to progress since veterans rarely que for this poop... Eat that selfless motto of yours. I bet you and your kin are not that "selfless" either to que everyday for these unskipable dungeons and help new players to progress #hypocritemuch

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Mmmm, no. I queue for this just about every day on Aether prime time as a healer and it doesn't take long at all to fill up. Takes less time than Alliance Raid Roulette does. I see plenty of newbies in it as well.