Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

I'll throw 2 stories up with Tldr at end.

So on the first week of M1s had finally completed it at spending 4 days on it. So after telling everyone thanks we notice we cleared it 3 minutes before reset. That took us 15 hours on final day to get down pack. So I decide well shoot time to reclear. I get in party and notice the strat is odd but figure ill just try it. Once we get in the leader and others don't say anything, i thought it was weird but shoot who cares its a reclear. Now I do take fault that muscle memory messed me up and I died 2 times. So I talk to the leader of room bless his heart XD bro was real understanding. Now enters a problem player...for got his name well call him loser. I ask party whats a trick to get past muscle memory dude legit tells me to unistall 14....I shrug and ignore him. Once I get the hang I adjust to his style of play. We notice loser keeps dying. Petty as it is I just put a smiley face in chat =) . Dude straight up calls us all trash and worse team he ever seen and left.....guess the trash took itself out. Sadly we disbanded after that.

Second story was minor incident. So me and my friend Mor decide shoot lets join clear party and clear M2s. We wait and we get this astro....well call him Jinx cause oh god this dude lives rent free after what he did. So were going through and Jinx accidently killed his partner on splash / drop mechanic before beat 1. I'm like lol its first run lets shake it off. We manage to get to beat 1 and dude straight up eats 4 hearts and dies. (Me:wtf is going on) so after about 10 minutes we talk to him. He tells us sorry he wont do it again. SPOILER:he does it again. The we get to alarm 1 it gets chaotic but we notice something...the sage is doing allot reving by themself. Now I'm really wondering wtf is going on. Some how by the grace of haedyln herself we make it to beat 2.....dude somehow wipes entire party with weird mistake and tells us Im confused and I think ima leave. We parsed him moments later....for the sake of i won't post it cause you know why. He only did 1.2k damage never healed and didnt revive or use his cards....

Man pf has been a journy I seen my fair share of drama.

Tldr: Finally did my first reclear told to unistall cause I died twice. Only find out problem player was holding us back. 2nd stor: May have met the worse astro ever now he lives rent free in my head as a reminder of what not to be.

just party duty finder as dps and by the end of dungeon i got 3 recommendation, what in the world did i do to get this rec lol, i didnt even do anything special

it so random

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Originally Posted by gumas

just party duty finder as dps and by the end of dungeon i got 3 recommendation, what in the world did i do to get this rec lol, i didnt even do anything special

it so random

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Most likely the other three are queueing together as one party.

Or maybe you're just that good of a DPS! XD

So yesterday I got to see a wipe on Ultima Weapon normal. The reason was because our WHM did almost no dps save for a handful of Aeros, was eating aoes and died near the end, forcing the SMN to try to raise them but die as well.

A DRK and a DNC can only do so much, and wipe at 1%.

Second round was almost the same, but we barely squeaked by with the whole party alive.

Healers, please, your damage does help. Please help dps instead of just sitting there doing absolutely f*cking nothing. Not everyone is able to carry your lethargic self.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

So yesterday I got to see a wipe on Ultima Weapon normal. The reason was because our WHM did almost no dps save for a handful of Aeros, was eating aoes and died near the end, forcing the SMN to try to raise them but die as well.

A DRK and a DNC can only do so much, and wipe at 1%.

Second round was almost the same, but we barely squeaked by with the whole party alive.

Healers, please, your damage does help. Please help dps instead of just sitting there doing absolutely f*cking nothing. Not everyone is able to carry your lethargic self.

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Moral of the story: pure healing is not a helpful tactics u have dps for a reason please do both healing and dps.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

So yesterday I got to see a wipe on Ultima Weapon normal. The reason was because our WHM did almost no dps save for a handful of Aeros, was eating aoes and died near the end, forcing the SMN to try to raise them but die as well.

A DRK and a DNC can only do so much, and wipe at 1%.

Second round was almost the same, but we barely squeaked by with the whole party alive.

Healers, please, your damage does help. Please help dps instead of just sitting there doing absolutely f*cking nothing. Not everyone is able to carry your lethargic self.

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Hailing from games where it is normal for a Healer to HEAL. Seeing that such tactics don't work for FF14 always gives me whiplash. I've been playing the game for a while now, and still, it boggles my mind.

Maybe, DPSers should get a damage increase to make up for that difference?

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Originally Posted by EchoingPulse

Hailing from games where it is normal for a Healer to HEAL. Seeing that such tactics don't work for FF14 always gives me whiplash. I've been playing the game for a while now, and still, it boggles my mind.

Maybe, DPSers should get a damage increase to make up for that difference?

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A dps increase in dps wouldn't help much. Some people I've seen in duty finder are just beyond help, even with The Echo of Shame boosting their damage due to repeated failures.

Worqor Zormor

Playing as DRK and announce in chat "Popping {Living Dead} this pull." and the healer responds positively. Dope, they understand the assignment. Get to near death and I'm near one hit from death with 2 seconds on Living Dead and I see the CURE popup text go off on me. "Oh dear god no" I think to myself as Living Dead wears off and I have no health... *dead*.

I think the fact it was a Cure 1 made it all the more painful an experience. I guess if I popped Living Dead just a tiny bit later my health bar would have been fine but who can plan for a Cure 1?

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

So yesterday I got to see a wipe on Ultima Weapon normal. The reason was because our WHM did almost no dps save for a handful of Aeros, was eating aoes and died near the end, forcing the SMN to try to raise them but die as well.

A DRK and a DNC can only do so much, and wipe at 1%.

Second round was almost the same, but we barely squeaked by with the whole party alive.

Healers, please, your damage does help. Please help dps instead of just sitting there doing absolutely f*cking nothing. Not everyone is able to carry your lethargic self.

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if you needed the damage from a WHM in Ultimate Weapon normal there's also something else way off.

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Originally Posted by SeriousPan

Worqor Zormor

Playing as DRK and announce in chat "Popping {Living Dead} this pull." and the healer responds positively. Dope, they understand the assignment. Get to near death and I'm near one hit from death with 2 seconds on Living Dead and I see the CURE popup text go off on me. "Oh dear god no" I think to myself as Living Dead wears off and I have no health... *dead*.

I think the fact it was a Cure 1 made it all the more painful an experience. I guess if I popped Living Dead just a tiny bit later my health bar would have been fine but who can plan for a Cure 1?

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I died inside. I wonder if it's intentional...? No way right...

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Originally Posted by NailBach

if you needed the damage from a WHM in Ultimate Weapon normal there's also something else way off.

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The SMN was also off, but at least they were pressing their dps buttons and trying to contribute. If you want the damage percents from the forbidden number monkey:

DNC: 33.83%
DRK: 33.22%
SMN: 24.53%
WHM: 5%

Healer damage is also important. Saying that the whm shouldn't have to dps and can just sit there and spam Medica II/Regen/Cure1/Cure2 is an awful mindset, which is what the whm we had did most of the time until they had literally 0 mp left. 10 back-to-back Medica IIs is something that I really shouldn't see. 1 use of PoM the entire run is something I really shouldn't have to see. 4 uses of Lucid Dreaming during both the wipe run and clear run is something I really shouldn't have to see.

As someone who primarily plays whm, it crushed my soul to see this.

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Originally Posted by SeriousPan

Worqor Zormor

Playing as DRK and announce in chat "Popping {Living Dead} this pull." and the healer responds positively. Dope, they understand the assignment. Get to near death and I'm near one hit from death with 2 seconds on Living Dead and I see the CURE popup text go off on me. "Oh dear god no" I think to myself as Living Dead wears off and I have no health... *dead*.

I think the fact it was a Cure 1 made it all the more painful an experience. I guess if I popped Living Dead just a tiny bit later my health bar would have been fine but who can plan for a Cure 1?

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Whoa. It sounds like the healer was trolling you. No one can plan for a Cure I.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

A dps increase in dps wouldn't help much. Some people I've seen in duty finder are just beyond help, even with The Echo of Shame boosting their damage due to repeated failures.

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I don't know, man. If groups fail simply because of a Healer not doing 100 potency attacks, then something is wrong, and it isn't the healer.

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Originally Posted by EchoingPulse

I don't know, man. If groups fail simply because of a Healer not doing 100 potency attacks, then something is wrong, and it isn't the healer.

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Downplaying a 190 potency attack as 100 potency sounds like an argument made in bad faith honestly.

Get M1, with three DPS first timers.
End up Main Tanking because one of the sages trusted me first.
Floor breaks, first timers repeatedly aim their knock backs off the edge.
Accidentally trip on the tiniest gap running to boss because I'm too focused thinking about my burst window which I've now missed, but I get rezzed immediately!
...I forget rezz immunity doesn't protect against knockback and fall off again immediately after.
We clear. I thank healers and run out in embarrassment.


...Find out shortly after the one non-first timer DPS had the secret goblin and uploaded my failure.

Ow.

I had a Gunbreaker with the 900 GNB duties title not use Heart of Light in Savage and the Scholar blamed everyone else. I forgave the Scholar becuase flexing the 900 title shows that MAYBE he knew what he was doing so no one suspected it.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

The SMN was also off, but at least they were pressing their dps buttons and trying to contribute. If you want the damage percents from the forbidden number monkey:

DNC: 33.83%
DRK: 33.22%
SMN: 24.53%
WHM: 5%

Healer damage is also important. Saying that the whm shouldn't have to dps and can just sit there and spam Medica II/Regen/Cure1/Cure2 is an awful mindset, which is what the whm we had did most of the time until they had literally 0 mp left. 10 back-to-back Medica IIs is something that I really shouldn't see. 1 use of PoM the entire run is something I really shouldn't have to see. 4 uses of Lucid Dreaming during both the wipe run and clear run is something I really shouldn't have to see.

As someone who primarily plays whm, it crushed my soul to see this.

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Still the fact stands that if you needed the WHM damage in Ultimate Weapon Normal your whole party didn‘t do it‘s job

When I was in a dungeon roulette, someone was learning how to heal (or tank maybe? I don't remember which) and another member of the party was giving them advice, but in a really hostile way. i.e. "Why are you not using [x] move? You're wasting opportunities to make this dungeon finish faster" and similar. Everything sounded judgy. So I told the person to be kinder, especially since they had the mentor tag (I did, too, at the time). We got all the way to the final boss, and the person being the aggressive advice-giver said something else that came across as rude to me and I told them I'd report them for harassment if they couldn't be nicer. The healer (or tank), to my surprise, thanked the hostile advice giver and, without anything else said, I suddenly found myself vote kicked from the party??? Still a little salty about that lmao. I was just trying to make sure someone wasn't ruining another's experience.

Another roulette story: during the NIER raid with the lasers that can wipe other parties if aimed at them, I watched a healer rescue someone across the room so it made the beam kill the other alliance instead of being aimed away. Ngl, it was pretty funny.

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Originally Posted by Mijeme

I had a Gunbreaker with the 900 GNB duties title not use Heart of Light in Savage and the Scholar blamed everyone else. I forgave the Scholar becuase flexing the 900 title shows that MAYBE he knew what he was doing so no one suspected it.

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You can get that title with just grinding out a certain fight over and over again, so it's possible that the GNB had no idea what they were doing anyway.

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Originally Posted by EchoingPulse

I don't know, man. If groups fail simply because of a Healer not doing 100 potency attacks, then something is wrong, and it isn't the healer.

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You fail to consider how much potency you gain over the course of a fight as a healer hits for 190 (not 100 are you trolling?). That absolutely determines whether you succeed or fail in savage especially. Imagine as a dps you could hit the boss with a 1900 potency attack on a 25 second cooldown. How OP would that be? Well that's the same potency as a whm casting glare 10 times over the course of 25 seconds. That's a lot of potential. This is why as a party you want to use all of your mits and tanks use their sustains as much as possible. Also because you want healers to know you appreciate them and to plz be your friend so you can get quick queues :3

*slaps the back of a healer* This baby can fit so much dps inside of it

My Mentor Roulette thrusting me into The Interphos and bracing myself for the one or two players that go "Yaaas queen" the moment that cutscene begins to play once we've been rendered immobilized. That's the fresh trauma.
An example of stale trauma would be a PLD telling me that my damage was utter sh** after I was beginning to re-learn BLM after a long period of time of leveling my other Jobs ("your damage is dogsh** and is falling beneath mine"). It only occurred after the shock that I could have easily silenced the player with a reminder that addons, like damage meters, aren't allowed and they had given me proof enough to file a case, if badgering a player relearning the rotation wasn't enough of a community rule finger-wag.

The previous night I was running an alt character as AST, people might have seen her over the past few weeks - Blue haired Viera female running with a female Au'Ra in team. Last we get Copperbelk Mines Hard. We end up wiping a few times because one of the DPS keeps pulling other enemies to my tank friend despite them saying 'dont do that again please.' and one point takes their time to scold me about how to 'properly' use AST cards. After that I just felt like crap and didn't really have much motivation to keep going, but my friend kept me along. Then for MSQ we got..Maridanum? (I can't spell that name properly, apologies) And another DPS rushes ahead with At Arms Length popped and gathered mobs. I politely say 'Please let the tank lead.' they respond 'i was getting mits to help them, but okay'. I had to heal the DPS from almost 25% (Guestimating) health. Tank and DPS argue during second boss, I ask them to stop fighting and calm down. Second DPS is silent the whole time. First one essentially goes 'yeah whatever' and we finish the roulette.

I remember the other night signing up to do Trial roulette, got in and it was Valigarmanda and one of the tanks just goes 'no' and left. I laughed so hard, but we got an instant replacement and cleared easily. Tho at one point there are 3 'pillars' that need to be beat down while big floor aoe's go off, and stack markers constantly needing to be done, and a poor guy got nuked in the middle of that. :o

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Originally Posted by NailBach

Still the fact stands that if you needed the WHM damage in Ultimate Weapon Normal your whole party didn‘t do it‘s job

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I realize you're one of those people who truly believe that healers must strictly heal and not bother with dps and force others to carry them, so I'll be brief.

Still the fact stands that the party I was in was forced to carry someone who was playing lethargically. Everyone absolutely should contribute to doing their fair share of damage. Yes, even healers. SE gave you guys dps buttons for a reason. Use them. Love them. Cherish them. Because if you don't use them, you're gonna get asked a lot of questions as to why you're not contributing to party dps, and quite possibly, kicked from duties.

JoCat made some very good guides for healers. You probably should watch them and realize that, yes, healers must contribute to dps.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

I realize you're one of those people who truly believe that healers must strictly heal and not bother with dps and force others to carry them, so I'll be brief.

Still the fact stands that the party I was in was forced to carry someone who was playing lethargically. Everyone absolutely should contribute to doing their fair share of damage. Yes, even healers. SE gave you guys dps buttons for a reason. Use them. Love them. Cherish them. Because if you don't use them, you're gonna get asked a lot of questions as to why you're not contributing to party dps, and quite possibly, kicked from duties.

JoCat made some very good guides for healers. You probably should watch them and realize that, yes, healers must contribute to dps.

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Again, you did ULTIMATE WEAPON NORMAL. We all are overgeared to hell for that fight. You wiped because your whole group was bad, not because the healer didn‘t do enough DPS

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Originally Posted by Rueby

I died inside. I wonder if it's intentional...? No way right...

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Cure 1? That feels 100% intentional.

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Originally Posted by NailBach

Again, you did ULTIMATE WEAPON NORMAL. We all are overgeared to hell for that fight. You wiped because your whole group was bad, not because the healer didn‘t to enough DPS

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Considering the healer was only contributing 5% of the total damage, I don't think it's fair to exclude the healer from the equation given how healers in this game do dish out respectable amount of damage that's often goes unnoticed. IIRC the ratio is like 60% from DPS, 25% from tanks, and 15% from healers(?). It could be skewed for being synced down to lv50 though, but point still stands: the healer also shares part of that blame. If that 15% is missing, then the two other in the role has to work harder to make up for that missing contribution.

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Originally Posted by Zelda206

My Mentor Roulette thrusting me into The Interphos and bracing myself for the one or two players that go "Yaaas queen" the moment that cutscene begins to play once we've been rendered immobilized. That's the fresh trauma.
An example of stale trauma would be a PLD telling me that my damage was utter sh** after I was beginning to re-learn BLM after a long period of time of leveling my other Jobs ("your damage is dogsh** and is falling beneath mine"). It only occurred after the shock that I could have easily silenced the player with a reminder that addons, like damage meters, aren't allowed and they had given me proof enough to file a case, if badgering a player relearning the rotation wasn't enough of a community rule finger-wag.

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Just report him. The community already has enough issues without e-genitalia measurers that got lost on the way to Warcraft. Maybe it'll convince him to head home.

i don't even believe that he was parsing that fight, WHO would parse Ultimate Weapon normal? He pulled those numbers out of thin air afaik. And still the fact stands that if you fail Ultimate Weapon Normal with the Healer even doing 0% your group as a whole, DPS included, was just bad.

I've had interesting people in Ultimate Weapon. For the most part it's just hitting a target dummy and dodging really simple telegraphs so people goof off to make up for the fact that it's boring and I'm all for that. I had a red mage call me out for using LB3 on Ultimate Weapon as a Bard. He's like "just so you know, ranged limit break blah blah blah blah blah" and it's like "oh noooo, we're gonna finish ULTIMATE WEAPON 0.4s slower."

Like no duh Ranged LB sucks on single targets. But it's Ultimate Weapon mate, I think we can have a little fun.

There is just no satisfying way to deal with that effing tortoise in Origenics.

I just got the level 95 dungeon as sage, the others were a warrior, monk, and a bard. It's the warrior's first time in this dungeon, and things went somewhat slow, with the warrior not really using bloodwhetting that much (or mitigating at all). The real spicy part is on the last boss, the warrior got knocked off and I had to cleanup, but the warrior -never- used provoke to take back aggro, or activate their tank stance. The monk was spamming provoke in chat, but aggro eventually cycled through both dps till they died, and the aggro was on me.

And for the rest of the fight I was just tanking eeeeverything. I survived tankbusters with only a sliver of health after mitigating and shielding myself, and the tank just never used provoke ever. It's funny since recently in this forum I said that healers should get invulns to encroach on tank identity, and this situation is one where an invuln would've made my life easier, or at least an ability that forces the boss to target a tank.

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Originally Posted by mallleable

There is just no satisfying way to deal with that effing tortoise in Origenics.

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You can use Sleep (caster) or Repose (healer) to interrupt its big aoe. It'll only work on three aoes before the resistance builds up. but if you have the entire party single target focus it, it will die in time before the fourth aoe.

Something tells me it's unintentional and I'll be sad if it ever gets changed.

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Originally Posted by DeltaCyan

You can use Sleep (caster) or Repose (healer) to interrupt its big aoe. It'll only work on three aoes before the resistance builds up. but if you have the entire party single target focus it, it will die in time before the fourth aoe.

Something tells me it's unintentional and I'll be sad if it ever gets changed.

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I'm aware that sleep can interrupt it. I'm just annoyed that it genuinely seems to be better, and cleaner to single pull the two cyclops mobs before moving on to the turtle. The trash pacing in that dungeon is super off.

Got M1N in Normal Raid roulette. Person being targeted by Elevate and Eviscerate targeted the tile the entire rest of the raid was standing on, sending us all plummeting to our deaths.

I finished DT 8 man raid a few weeks back and must have given a few players a laugh...I got raised stepped forward and my years of experience went out the window as I stepped forward and fell down a hole in the floor :D I felt ashamed but I did record it to look back on lol...the shame.

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Originally Posted by NailBach

i don't even believe that he was parsing that fight, WHO would parse Ultimate Weapon normal? He pulled those numbers out of thin air afaik. And still the fact stands that if you fail Ultimate Weapon Normal with the Healer even doing 0% your group as a whole, DPS included, was just bad.

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I actually did not pull those numbers out of thin air, I ended up turning on the thing because I was wondering why on earth I was seeing repeating mechanics on the first part, which is not normal, and at first I thought it was my DRK doing DRK damage or one of the dps doing the Netflix and Chill shtick. Seeing repeating mechanics because someone wasn't contributing to the dps pool is typically the cause, as I'm sure you've seen before in your runs in high level dungeons. Seeing repeating mechanics makes for more mistakes, vuln stacks collected, and raises the potential for a wipe to occur.

When I start seeing repeating mechanics, you know I'll raise an eyebrow unless people are new and constantly dying to stupid. While I did not even need the forbidden calculator to realize something fishy was going on, I wanted to double check and make sure I wasn't missing something important and suggest something to the dps to help improve their dps.

I will point this out, do not underestimate healer dps and how much it can actually contribute. The fact still stands that my party was forced to carry someone who did not contribute to the dps pool. Saying a healer can do 0% dps and still clear Ultima weapon normal means the rest of the party has to work even harder to make up for the missing damage.

Yes, as a player who mostly plays whm and levels and learns the other jobs to know their ins and outs, you bet your buckaroos I will absolutely notice when something is taking far longer to die, whether it be from the dungeon timer, hp bars remaining in packs, or having to look at the thing and make sure I'm not going crazy for some reason.

If you had a healer that did that in your Ultima weapon group and you were in my boots, I'd safely say that you'd feel the frustration I felt at having to work harder to clear a fight.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

I actually did not pull those numbers out of thin air, I ended up turning on the thing because I was wondering why on earth I was seeing repeating mechanics on the first part, which is not normal, and at first I thought it was my DRK doing DRK damage or one of the dps doing the Netflix and Chill shtick. Seeing repeating mechanics because someone wasn't contributing to the dps pool is typically the cause, as I'm sure you've seen before in your runs in high level dungeons. Seeing repeating mechanics makes for more mistakes, vuln stacks collected, and raises the potential for a wipe to occur.

When I start seeing repeating mechanics, you know I'll raise an eyebrow unless people are new and constantly dying to stupid. While I did not even need the forbidden calculator to realize something fishy was going on, I wanted to double check and make sure I wasn't missing something important and suggest something to the dps to help improve their dps.

I will point this out, do not underestimate healer dps and how much it can actually contribute. The fact still stands that my party was forced to carry someone who did not contribute to the dps pool. Saying a healer can do 0% dps and still clear Ultima weapon normal means the rest of the party has to work even harder to make up for the missing damage.

Yes, as a player who mostly plays whm and levels and learns the other jobs to know their ins and outs, you bet your buckaroos I will absolutely notice when something is taking far longer to die, whether it be from the dungeon timer, hp bars remaining in packs, or having to look at the thing and make sure I'm not going crazy for some reason.

If you had a healer that did that in your Ultima weapon group and you were in my boots, I'd safely say that you'd feel the frustration I felt at having to work harder to clear a fight.

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This guy, just wow. You worked „harder“ to kill Ultimate Weapon NORMAL. L M F A O

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Originally Posted by mallleable

There is just no satisfying way to deal with that effing tortoise in Origenics.

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Yes there is. Do the run as a DPS job with a Trust, walk into the room, as soon as Thancred jumps in to aggro the tortoise, walk back outside the room and go make tea, come back when your Trust party has killed it without you.