It's Blizzcon 2k18 all over again.
Gender locked race?
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03-23-2019, 12:47 PMNovak_04
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03-23-2019, 12:47 PMAnzaman
Honestly some of the male Viera fanart -pics posted here made me wish for this situation alone* (female only).
Tho, Hrothgar does look like quickly modified Roegadyn, which is shame.
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03-23-2019, 12:47 PMSamezuka
I am posting here as well in the hopes that the feedback is heard, but I do not think the decision to gender-lock each race was wise after ARR famously overturned what they did in 1.0 by making the races available and accessible for all genders. This seems like a giant step backwards in making these equal for all players, and it is tread upon territory to have yet another race where the females are elegant and attractive while the males are large, beastly, and muscular. I really hope they consider our opinions and create extra genders for both races.
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03-23-2019, 12:49 PMcicatriz313
Lmao you guys are crazy. They cheered after he was finished talking. The delay was because he was talking... It's called courtesy. Keep in mind it's Japan.
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03-23-2019, 12:49 PMDollNy
I have never been so disappointed and gutted about what is/isn't going to be included in a game before. Watching that keynote was like a bad case of whiplash, tbqh. Watching the trailer and ingame footage of the new areas was so hype worthy, then finding out Dancer isn't going to be a healer was disappointing, and then the lack of Male Vierra? And the Hrothgar, and lack of female with them? Seriously. I never played 1.0, but i am starting to understand how they felt back then with gender locks. Terrible. I have no motivation to keep playing FFXIV at the moment, and I have loved this game since 2.x days.
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03-23-2019, 12:50 PMBiddyBatnanaLol ! I understand tho'Quote:
Originally Posted by Anzaman
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03-23-2019, 12:51 PMShougunThat's a great idea, and also... maybe just me, I'll re-watch stuff in a little bit, but... was the lightning a bit.. too harsh and when it wasn't that it was just too "close up" on Hrothgar reveal video? We all know FFXIV could use a texture resolution increase, so when things are so close you can see the pixels, and when farther away it was like the lighting seemed to be a bit too contrasted to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
Maybe I need to check it again but I thought to myself "I bet it'll look better on my own PC in a normal distance/ambient setting". Did you feel that? -
03-23-2019, 12:52 PMOrchidias
It's an incredibly bad idea to have a gender-locked race- if that was the case, why were male miqo'te added when lore-wise they're supposed to be born even less than the females? Please consider giving us male Viera and female Hrothgar too- Mithra and Galka had an outcry and this stance hasn't changed. We don't want to be limited in our options. It's also unfair that it goes into gender stereotypes of elegant and sexy women and buff and muscular men- sure, it's a fantasy, but this sort of tone-deaf take on what was an incredibly popular demand for years is really upsetting after the steps FFXIV took to stand out and be inclusive with Eternal Bonds, for one. It's very disappointing and I hope this will be reconsidered.
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03-23-2019, 12:53 PMKazran
I want both, its absolutely baffling why Square would take this step back after 1.0 and fixing it in 2.0!
This just makes the original Viera reveal video feel even more voyeuristic and fanservicey! There is not reason for them to not have Male Viera and Female Hrothgar, They write the lore! -
03-23-2019, 12:54 PMEloah
Posting here to show my disappointment in the gender locked races. We need male Viera and female Hrothgar.
This needs to be a priority in my opinion and should be released during the 5.x cycle, the earlier the better. -
03-23-2019, 12:55 PMVriel
I would even buy 10 Fantasia if it would allow me to go male bunny. But guess I stay cat or figure out how to make females work.....
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03-23-2019, 12:57 PMTharneYeah, the lightning in the video was really weird I thought. The first shot especially, maybe they wanted to make a "the beast is coming" kind of effect with a shadowy face but it kind of fell flat imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shougun
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03-23-2019, 12:57 PMRydia_Feymarchian
I don't know what to say beside that I am extremely disappointed. I've been looking forward playing as a female monster race for the past 4 years and now it was so close but *no*, more sexy object females and a male 'ronso' locked in gender as well. I just don't understand why.
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03-23-2019, 12:59 PMBiddyBatnanaWhen is the Benchmark coming out btw ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tharne
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03-23-2019, 01:00 PMTheodricI felt it too, though I suspect we'll see improvements made between now and Shadowbringers. I do hope that there's work on enhancing customisation across the board in the future for every playable race, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shougun
Twitter is something of an echo chamber in many cases, thus best taken with a pinch of salt.Quote:
Originally Posted by NellMoshroca
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03-23-2019, 01:00 PMLalafellDown
SE did a great job, people were arguing about a beast race and a bunny race in the past. You got both now. You get a woman and a sexy beast. Why not be a Lala and have both at the same time?
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03-23-2019, 01:00 PMNahuNa
It really is sad that they went for the safest and most boring choice. Did people asking for male bunnysuits tell them nothing? People have explicitly asked for male viera, and only vaguely mentioned they might entertain the notion of Ronso. I bet they'd honestly sell more fantasias if they had added bunnymen instead of them! Not to mention, the Hrothgar's facial features are slightly... off? So they really just feel like a half-assed consolation prize when instead they could've easily tweaked the lore to include a clan of viera that have more males or what-have-you if they were THAT worried about lore.
In fact, since they care so much about lore, I think nobody should be Dragoons anymore, or White Mages, since there's technically only two Azure Dragoons ever, and only one person aside the Padjal are allowed to use white magic. It is in fact ruining my immersion to see so many Ninjas around, too! /s -
03-23-2019, 01:01 PMdecoratibo
Who will actually play as a Hrothgar? And not as a joke? I'm asking this honestly. Even if you enjoy their overall looks (no judgement), their overall character model seemed very rough and slapdash, especially compared to Viera.
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03-23-2019, 01:01 PMFreyt
No male Viera = lore reasons
No female Ronso = lore changes
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03-23-2019, 01:02 PMChilliwack
What can I say that hasn't already been said?
Just know SE, that I an SEVERELY unimpressed. -
03-23-2019, 01:03 PMTheodricI'll definitely be playing one as an alt. Whether I play one as my main depends on how I like the 'feel' of them in-game.Quote:
Originally Posted by decoratibo
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03-23-2019, 01:03 PMTharneSB's benchmark came out May 1st for a June 20th release so I'd say near mid-May.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiddyBatnana
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03-23-2019, 01:04 PMFredco191Quote:
Originally Posted by Penthea
My main issue. (These quotes are on a different thread.jQuote:
Originally Posted by Fredco191
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03-23-2019, 01:04 PMWilford111In the west, anything can be misogyny. So forgive me if I don't take you seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by NahuNa
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03-23-2019, 01:04 PMNahuNahttps://66.media.tumblr.com/3e602f49...uj7c1p_540.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Freyt
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03-23-2019, 01:04 PMathisvolume
Also posting to say I'm disappointed that there won't be male Viera. I'm not a fan of the overly bulky male aesthetic, either Hrothgar or Roe. It just looks kind of strange to me, like every male of that race grew up in a gym and was forced to pump weights all day. If male Viera aren't going to happen could we at least get some variety? Maybe a male Roethgar who was a little lazy and somehow escaped from mandatory gym time?
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03-23-2019, 01:05 PMNahuNaOnce again, stop implying nobody in Japan cares about misogyny and move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilford111
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03-23-2019, 01:05 PMvan_arnThat's a miqo'te.Quote:
Originally Posted by athisvolume
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03-23-2019, 01:06 PMTheodric
So, out of curiosity...how many of those upset over this intend to take their leave of the game and at what point do they intend to do so?
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03-23-2019, 01:07 PMDuskane
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2T-OvgXgAIQESI.png
im ready for all the fun character ideas hrothgar has atleast -
03-23-2019, 01:08 PMBurmecia
Genderlocking is simply step back. Looking forward to make female "ronso" alt with male viera retainer, eventually. Please reconsider this step to make genderlocked races. You already have tons of happy female roe and male miqo'te players, go ask how do they feel about their favourite race, SE.
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03-23-2019, 01:08 PMWilford111Feminism can be a good thing when it's needed. Radical feminism is not. That doesn't seem to be happening in Japan though, so I'm all for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NahuNa
Stop implying that I don't care about women. -
03-23-2019, 01:08 PMThefatesI wouldn't take my leave from the game yet, I only wanted female Viera in the first place, but I'm still really disappointed to see this sort of creative decision come out. Genderlocking just shouldn't have been entertained.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
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03-23-2019, 01:08 PMKeeric
Two factions have been screaming for races: Viera and people who wanted bestial. I think they chose to go with this because they had time to program one or one gender of each, so they took the middle ground and pissed off gender divides rather than style divides.
They were probably trying to be kinda smart, by pissing off the smallest segments of each clamoring section for a race.
Cause it would be like 1% Female buffcat and probably more male Viera, but like the same miqo ratio.
I'd be willing to wager on introducing the opposite genders next expac and this is why they made this decision. Keep screaming though, I'm sure they weren't already aware this would make people scream harder or something. -
03-23-2019, 01:10 PMChilliwackI'm not certain I'd go that far, since I've been deeply invested in the story up to this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
But after today, I am VERY sorely tempted to just walk away.
A male Viera is a character I absolutely would have made an alt for. But I have no interest in playing as a large Roegadyn with bad posture.
Every time I see one of these races in Shadowbringers, I'll probably just roll my eyes, reminded of SE's poor decision. They will forever be "the badly designed race" in my eyes, no matter how much gravitas the game tries to place upon them. -
03-23-2019, 01:11 PMThefatesIf they honestly said they wanted to introduce the other genders later that would be another thing but right now it feels like the only real reason for them to do so would be the community backlash. If people weren't vocally upset they'd have no reason to go through the effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keeric
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03-23-2019, 01:11 PMKazran
Limiting to the whole "Big Brute 'ugly' Muscle " Male and the "Pretty, cute, object" Female with with gender locked races just feels so old fashioned and gross!
The Ronso look super rough tho and well the Viera are Viera cute tall ladies. I like player choice and this really limits player choice in their Avatar. Some people dont really care about how their avatar look ((and that's 100% fair) but for others "glamour is the true endgame"
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03-23-2019, 01:12 PMEndeleonI'm attempting to cancel my pre-order right this minute, actually. It's just I already claimed the earrings and minion so I am unsure if I will get banned for cancelling? I can't find info.... but yeah I'm not planning on continuing or playing at SHB launch either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
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03-23-2019, 01:13 PMNezeriusWith that logic, Hyurans are actually Humes from Vanadiel, because they're totally being called that in The First!Quote:
Originally Posted by Duskane
Sarcasm aside, they were just showing that you can recreate characters from other FF games, doesn't make them officially Ronso (because they're Hrothgar). Besides, Fran was already in the game, unless you completely missed her in the Ivalice raids (and technically, she isn't even the same Fran as the FFXII one, despite having the exact same looks). -
03-23-2019, 01:14 PMThefatesSeriously, just give us some masculine females and some feminine males. This is literally the perfect opportunity to do so now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazran