Letter From the Producer IX.

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Originally Posted by Akumu

Ignorance: In full effect since the creation of the Human being.

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Ignorance is bliss

Im just really REALLY hoping the dungeons have specific BGM, or at least a general dungeon BGM.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Quests hubs and low level dungeons? The more and more they do, the more I lose hope for this game. Seems they ARE going to the direction of WOW clone, I'll just have to wait and see. Low level dungeons and quest hubs is not something this game needed at all, it only needed these things if they wanted it to be a WOW clone -_-

I look forward to the battle changes, but now I'm more scared than ever for this games future, sigh.

Instead of stupid copy/paste "dungeons" from WOW they could've added a new chain of missions(or deleted old ones and added these) that are group based and make us explore muytuy, cassie, mistbeard cove, copperbell mines, etc etc. If you've actually been to the higher level dungeons you'd see how they're actually really cool and look awesome deeper in. They also could've made them bigger, and made the missions have us fight to something that would pop a NM/multiple nms,(or BCNM doors) and have a story behind it with cutscenes. The fights could've been EXTREMELY CHALLENGING as well, COP difficulty. Would've been more FF like and just as good, have the missions also give rewards or something, maybe even unique crafting mats to make unique armor, maybe special skills only available if you complete the missions, idk.

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To those worried (or complaining :P) about Patch 1.18's Dungeons:

Just wanted to provide a little perspective to those already bashing Yoshida-san for NEW CONTENT (for Mid-Level and High-Level) before you've even seen it...

Seriously, at what point did Yoshida-san say, "I'm making a WOW clone"? Yes, he said it may be something that's "*probably* similar to dungeons in other MMOs" but if you read the rest of the context of the interview it's far from him saying it's a 'WOW Clone.'

Yoshida-san has mentioned in multiple interviews that he wants to recapture the FINAL FANTASY FEELING. How you can start bashing him is beyond me. Here are some specific quotes from Yoshida-san in various interviews. On the Battle System:

Yoshida: "We're not looking to copy what other MMOs are doing...

And with that, we want to get back to the roots of the original Final Fantasyesque jobs like Dragoons and White Mages. So we're trying to figure out how to get that to that new type of system."

He then goes onto to talk about the Instanced Dungeons, and the quote you're overreacting to:

Yoshida: "It would be tough to say which it will be closer to, but if you had to say one, it will probably be similar to dungeons in other MMOs. But right now because we're working on the changes to the battle system at the same time, we're going to make something that can follow the progression--the evolution--of the battle system. Those instances will change over time as well.

Because a lot of this stuff is going to be high-level, end content, we want to make sure that the battles all have situations where you have to plan out the battle, have the tactics to defeat it--not only defeat it, but pop it as well. It's something that will be the high end, the hardcore content."
(From: http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/30254...ida-interview/

How does this sound like it's going to be a "WOW clone" that you're complaining about? The very core of the game is being heavily looked at to be "More Final Fantasy" like. The Dungeons will FOLLOW the Combat System and be designed around that (i.e., the core of the game is more Final Fantasy like and the Dungeons will be, too).

And he states he wants TACTICS to the fights, yet you're complaining already (without having even seen it) about lack of difficulty and challenge? Huh?

And for those that bemoan that it's all instanced, all the time, that's not true:

Yoshida: "We're going to make a lot of bigger battles, where lots of players will be involved in these large-scale battles. In these large-scale battles there will be multiple parties on the field. If you have a system where only one party can claim something, then other parties won't even be able to come in and help. Or to get them to come in and help, you have to have another special system to allow them to come in and help, and it just becomes to complex. So we want to have a system where it's easy to have another team to come in and help someone that's maybe in trouble."

Here's another quote from Yoshida-san from another interview he did with Gamasutra:

Yoshida: "So, our top priority is making the game that is very Final Fantasy, something that we can be proud of and something that the players will come in and they will love this Eorzea. It's an Eorzea that we can be proud of and the players will enjoy."
(Source: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/featur...he_.php?page=3

I started a thread on asking Yoshida-san and the team where the major changes were and high level content last month (so I'm not just stating this as a "rabid fan"). This new Letter from the Producer IX is just AWESOME! :) It's giving us brand-new content for Rank 30 and Rank 50 players, covering the majority of the player base, new Quest Hubs that NONE OF US KNOW what it's going to be like, and the first major changes to the core Battle System, which as quoted above, Yoshida-san says he wants it to be more "Final Fantasyesque."

We don't know what the Quest Hubs will be yet. We don't know what the Dungeons will be like, but let's try and stay POSITIVE before you call for his head and just incite a flame war claiming he's making a "WOW clone"?

If you want to stay pessimistic, more power to you.

I'm always hoping for the best, and this new update / letter has given me renewed hope. :D

I can't wait to see the new content soon!

After reading this last letter, there was one thought that immediately crossed my mind:


Why are they adding camps that serve as quests hubs instead of using the absolutely useless hamlets that are scattered all over? Do they have other plans for these? It makes no sense to throw all this content into new locations when the current ones are already starved for content.

That's one thorough rebuttal.

And with evidence and sources to boot!

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

After reading this last letter, there was one thought that immediately crossed my mind:


Why are they adding camps that serve as quests hubs instead of using the absolutely useless hamlets that are scattered all over? Do they have other plans for these? It makes no sense to throw all this content into new locations when the current ones are already starved for content.

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.....Hamlet Defense was already planned. Hamlets also serve a purpose currently, just nothing absolutely integral to the game yet.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

After reading this last letter, there was one thought that immediately crossed my mind:


Why are they adding camps that serve as quests hubs instead of using the absolutely useless hamlets that are scattered all over? Do they have other plans for these? It makes no sense to throw all this content into new locations when the current ones are already starved for content.

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Because they want people to travel further than all the places they huddle around in. By adding more camps, there are more locations for higher level leves, behests, and possibly the occaisional vendor.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

After reading this last letter, there was one thought that immediately crossed my mind:


Why are they adding camps that serve as quests hubs instead of using the absolutely useless hamlets that are scattered all over? Do they have other plans for these? It makes no sense to throw all this content into new locations when the current ones are already starved for content.

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maybe they plan to use both

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

maybe they plan to use both

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Exactly. The quest hubs look like small campsites or outposts for the most part.

EDIT: What if hamlet defense coincides with all this ominous weather/prophecies? I mean if I was on the XIV team, and wanted to make some game changing world event, I wouldnt let the cat out of the bag before the event occurred. That and the entire landscape isnt going to be charred from this, thats for sure.

Sooooooooo, quest hubs yea?

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/...ta_outpost.jpg

Not really that lively looking, but best I could find for an example.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

Ignorance is bliss

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This isn't with regards to FFXIV but that's the most wrong saying ever...ignorance is gonna get us all killed one day.

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Originally Posted by Mack

This isn't with regards to FFXIV but that's the most wrong saying ever...ignorance is gonna get us all killed one day.

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Thats the point, if you dont know you're about to die, then you'll be perfectly fine.

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Originally Posted by Mack

This isn't with regards to FFXIV but that's the most wrong saying ever...ignorance is gonna get us all killed one day.

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I disagree. Ignorance is bliss because it's entirely blissful to find something that you don't know, so you can fill the gap in your knowledge :)

Willful ignorance on the other hand is, as you say, going to get us all killed one day.

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Originally Posted by Anathiel

I don't know why people are freaking out over instanced dungeons...I was doing BCNM 40's when WoW was first released. Just saying.

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While I get your point, BCNMs are not a great example. I was being left out of BCNMs because I was not the "right" class for them when WoW was first released. <,<

Anyway, I still don't understand the amount of crap thrown at the devs. Yes, the game is not changing overnight, but at least we should recognize that this is a colossal task they are taking up.

Granted, they won't hear a peep from me save for one thing and one thing alone. That being hybrid classes being stuck doing pure support instead of having various roles available to them in group play. And that's only because I am serious when I say I won't be able to stomach a second coming of the refresh-whore Red Mage. Even then, my ire would be aimed at their class balance guy, not at Yoshida himself.

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Originally Posted by ChelseaPride

I disagree. Ignorance is bliss because it's entirely blissful to find something that you don't know, so you can fill the gap in your knowledge :)

Willful ignorance on the other hand is, as you say, going to get us all killed one day.

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Yes! thank you fixing that :P

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Originally Posted by Teknoman

Thats the point, if you dont know you're about to die, then you'll be perfectly fine.

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Well most the time people are just lying to themselves. I do know I'm going to die so I wanna do something about it, which is what everyone should be doing.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

It's also stupid if you constantly try to steal people from other games that do what you're trying to do tons better.

@ Wobi, if you played this game since release and don't have a 50, you have no excuse really. Doing leves(2-3 hours per 36 hours at most) will get you 1-50 in a month or so. I also want content for ALL levels, but I don't understand why we NEED dungeons, of all content to add, at low levels.

We. do. not. need. to. copy. WOW. to. be. successful.

-_________- I want to drill this into some MMO devs mind sometime, maybe that will finally make a MMO that isn't a WOW clone exist...

edit: I like the "combing low level dungeon gear to get good gear like salvage" idea. THAT is unique and cool.

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I just wish you would quit already clearly they arent making the game you want.

Why is it that everyone thinks dungeons were created and solely WOW? do your research realized wow was not the first MMO to do dungeons. FFXI had dungeons, people seem to have forgotten BCNM's, Salvage, Dynamis (raid), Sea (raid), Einharjar. No one complains about those and say they are OMFGBBQSAUCE THEY ARE COPYING WOW!!!! STOP RUINING FFXI! Now that that is done, Stop judging things that havent been released yet. As the the saying goes don't Knock it till you try it., If you don't like it GTFO and stop bitching about content that isn't released yet, while the rest of us look forward to the new content and the what will be slow, THOROUGH process to fix and improve FFXIV.

Yeah nothing to convince people to calm down like a rage post.

I guess people are "scared" of the dungeons being WOW like because Yoshi saying "... it will probably be similar to dungeons in other MMOs".
In the same interview he however also said they were focusing on making the game very much Final Fantasy.

I'm excited for the dungeons, not so much for the wait, lol.

also dunegeons have been a staple of offline rpgs, and of course dungeon crawlers since they were created, i dont know why going online means we shouldnt have levels designed with monsters a setting, a theme, and a boss in there as a main means of entertainment, when it was one of the more entertaining things about rpgs.

I also think they should make dunegons not so linear, in that there should be secret special stuff discover, maybe some story elements, or hidden bosses/areas etc.

they should also add more content to overworld things, including NMs you pop and whatnot, big super monsters that everyone can join into fight /open missions.

other things, for replayability quests/missions with time rewards, performance judgements, survival elements.

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Originally Posted by Physic

also dunegeons have been a staple of offline rpgs, and of course dungeon crawlers since they were created, i dont know why going online means we shouldnt have levels designed with monsters a setting, a theme, and a boss in there as a main means of entertainment, when it was one of the more entertaining things about rpgs.

I also think they should make dunegons not so linear, in that there should be secret special stuff discover, maybe some story elements, or hidden bosses/areas etc.

they should also add more content to overworld things, including NMs you pop and whatnot, big super monsters that everyone can join into fight /open missions.

other things, for replayability quests/missions with time rewards, performance judgements, survival elements.

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qft and agreement. on top of offline, Goes all the way back to D&D paper RPG, omg a dungeon with minibosses a story and a final boss. Zelda with the dungeons with a miniboss and a Final boss with gear rewards and final reward. Hmmmmm did Zelda follow the WoW formula into its offline format? oh wait....

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

Why is it that everyone thinks dungeons were created and solely WOW? do your research realized wow was not the first MMO to do dungeons.

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It's clear when the word "dungeon" is brought up they don't mean actual dungeons, they do indeed mean the crap found in WoW. When I hear dungeons, I think of zones like Undersea Ruins (FFXI) or Garliage Citadel (FFXI - Present).

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Originally Posted by Elexia

It's clear when the word "dungeon" is brought up they don't mean actual dungeons, they do indeed mean the crap found in WoW. When I hear dungeons, I think of zones like Undersea Ruins (FFXI) or Garliage Citadel (FFXI - Present).

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again edited out the part that FFXI had "crap found in WoW" type of dungeons.... Einharjar, Salvage, Assault.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

It's clear when the word "dungeon" is brought up they don't mean actual dungeons, they do indeed mean the crap found in WoW. When I hear dungeons, I think of zones like Undersea Ruins (FFXI) or Garliage Citadel (FFXI - Present).

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Garliage is not that different from something like Shattered Halls. Well, garliage had some (up until WotG came out) obscure reason for existing, barely had anything memorable about it content-wise and was nowhere near supportive of dungeon crawling. That's where it different from the stuff seen in WoW.

Cant they have instanced dungeons within all access dungeons? Regardless it wont be anything like WoW except for the fact that they may be instanced.

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Originally Posted by Teknoman

Cant they have instanced dungeons within all access dungeons? Regardless it wont be anything like WoW except for the fact that they may be instanced.

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11 put bcnms in the bottom of many dungeons, so its not like they cant

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Originally Posted by Teknoman

Cant they have instanced dungeons within all access dungeons? Regardless it wont be anything like WoW except for the fact that they may be instanced.

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This is exactly what I want, make the actual boss fights instanced, but the rest of the dungeons shouldn't be imo.

And put leves in the instanced dungeons. Rank 50 special fractions leves to bring the endboss out would be best.

This should make the dungeons to 80% not very WoW like ^^

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Originally Posted by Ostia

Just out of World of Warcraft Blizzard has made more money than Se has out of the entire FF franchise..... So yeah you where saying ?

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I highly doubt that... with FFVII and FFXIII combined SE has made more money than WoW (The Retail Game Discs) in Sales.
Not to mention they had tons of other great selling games, FF10, and 9... the list don't stop. Also, once they release their games, they don't have to keep updating them, adding content, have a "HUGE" development team that they pay quite a lot for. Monthly fee's cover this, and give them profit I'm sure. But they haven't earned more than the Final Fantasy Franchise.

Letter looked good to me. If you think there's anything overwhelmingly negative about it, I don't really see how you can infer that from what Yoshida wrote about. There's just not enough concrete info to make any certain judgements.

I'm sad we're gonna have to wait until June.


LOL @ the don't post wrong translations comment. Don't look at me, all mine were correct...I even tried to correct the wrong ones that other people posted. <_<

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Yeah me too I agree! I loved fighting through COP zones, sneaking/fighting through Zvahl(sp) and stuff, exploring dungeons like davoi, the other orc place, the quadav places, castle oztroja, etc etc. ._.

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Whats stopping you from doing this in our current zones? Again, you mention an expansion. Just hold your horses, there are more zones yet to come.

Kiara, I couldn't have said it any better. Thank you. :D

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Originally Posted by Chrees

Kiara, I couldn't have said it any better. Thank you. :D

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Have to agree, got caught up in the 'worry' myself, but thanks to Kiara I'm much happier again. Thanks muchly Kiara! Can't wait for the future Combat System, the current one is fine but it does often lack that spark that keeps you involved. Hopefully it is enjoyable enough to make combat feel less of a chore than it does now.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

I also hope they don't plan on instancing EVERYTHING. I liked fighting my way through open dungeons like Phomiuna Aqueducts or Promyvion.

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There really isn't much difference, in all the time I played FF11, I rarely saw other people/parties in those 2 places. (for a very long time I actually assumed they were instanced)

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Originally Posted by Jinko

There really isn't much difference, in all the time I played FF11, I rarely saw other people/parties in those 2 places. (for a very long time I actually assumed they were instanced)

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That wasn't the case in my experiences.

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Originally Posted by Nuru

Whats stopping you from doing this in our current zones? Again, you mention an expansion. Just hold your horses, there are more zones yet to come.

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Reason to do so. I don't want to have to "create my own fun". I want to fight through a dungeon where a boss that moves the story forward awaits at the end. Come on dude, have you played other MMOs?

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Originally Posted by Jinko

There really isn't much difference, in all the time I played FF11, I rarely saw other people/parties in those 2 places. (for a very long time I actually assumed they were instanced)

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You must have played late in the games life, I remember seeing the epic struggle of numerous parties trying to get through promyvion - vahzl, fighting sky and sea gods etc.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

That wasn't the case in my experiences.



Reason to do so. I don't want to have to "create my own fun". I want to fight through a dungeon where a boss that moves the story forward awaits at the end. Come on dude, have you played other MMOs?

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got to agree with the bosses that move story ahead angle, i definetly think there needs to be more of that, only prob though, they also need to create repeatable content thats entertaining. so they should do both.

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Originally Posted by Mug

Where I live, June is a summer month.

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where i live june 21st starts summer. which means less then half the month is summer and more then half is spring..... And since this update is MID-june that IS sometime in spring buddy.....

Reading through some of these posts I had an idea for a possible solution for Instanced Dungeons vs Open Dungeons:

Maybe they could make the actual zone/dungeon open for anyone, but the actual content instanced much like the Guildleves are. So, for example, say you had a series of quests that you had to complete before facing the boss. You could go to the dungeon, pop your quest, and all your actual quest mobs would pop but only your party could fight them, but other groups could watch.