New NMs

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Originally Posted by Visch

WOW. FOR THE 100th time.

21-24 hour spawn isn't waiting for 24 hours. Read please.

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It still involves more waiting than most people can even play in one day. No thanks.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

Cuz I don't want ppl banned for stupid reasons. the less ppl who play ffxiv the worst it gets. I got an agenda dude >:) More ppl who play ffxiv, the better it gets, the faster the ps3 version comes out, faster I get to play. I do own the game and would love to play it right now. I'm also a potential player and have just as much of a say or opinion on staff as everyone else.

You can just skip over my posts. I think its rude to not replay when spoken to.

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Yea i forgot i should ignore your posts, my mistake.

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Originally Posted by Scarface

Odin? Ring a bell?

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to obtain feathers you kill mobs, you dont stand around, and there is no competition.
you play the game with skill and team work not with luck.

i want to ring a bell too! *ring a bell*

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Originally Posted by Alicia_WM

To the two people in this thread advocating XI "king"-type spawns,

It seems the primary reason you don't want fast spawns is your concern that gear won't be rare or "special." I suspect the reason you don't want online games such as this to be accessible to those of us with jobs and families is because you are worried that there will be no advantage to being a neckbeard sitting in your parents' basement all day. Once everyone has a Silver Tricorne and Dodore Doublet, you might feel you'll once again be the losers you are in real life.

But it's ok! Like in real life, no one truly cares about you or what you do. Those of us with real lives just want to get on and relax after a hard day of -real- work. If you ever get a job, you'll understand the value of free time.

I get it; you want to block us from fighting HNMs in the game the way you feel you are blocked by us in real life. Sadly, the makers of this game care more about what the majority of us want rather than you two and the handful of botters who agree with you. With that in mind, let's all just try to have fun playing. No matter how many people have a Champions' Lance.

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Gold star.

I especially liked the neckbeard reference lol I laughed..

nope, for them this never was about fun and game play.
They just want to show off the rare items. If SE would sell rares for cash, they would buy it.
there are so many good solutions to make items rare but they want the 24h pops only for the reason because people who work and have families have less chance to get em.
Instead they will camp the NMs 24 7 and collect the loot.
This people have zero skill. The good gamer don’t call them self champs and perfectionists.
Those guys are just talk, hot air but no substance.

Ever heard of casual gamer do hardcore NM botting or using grafting bots?

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Originally Posted by Wevlum

Regarding 24 hour pops, I don't get how sitting and waiting for something to appear can be considered fun gameplay. There's no challenge involved in waiting 24 hours for something to appear. On FFXI while waiting for an NM to show up I'd have to reach for my PSP and play another game to keep myself entertained while already playing a game - this is kind of silly in my opinion. Also inb4 my current rank is brought into question and something about how I never got ridill or something along these lines...truly my opinion-nay my life-is invalid!

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Originally Posted by Alicia_WM

To the two people in this thread advocating XI "king"-type spawns,

It seems the primary reason you don't want fast spawns is your concern that gear won't be rare or "special." I suspect the reason you don't want online games such as this to be accessible to those of us with jobs and families is because you are worried that there will be no advantage to being a neckbeard sitting in your parents' basement all day. Once everyone has a Silver Tricorne and Dodore Doublet, you might feel you'll once again be the losers you are in real life.

But it's ok! Like in real life, no one truly cares about you or what you do. Those of us with real lives just want to get on and relax after a hard day of -real- work. If you ever get a job, you'll understand the value of free time.

I get it; you want to block us from fighting HNMs in the game the way you feel you are blocked by us in real life. Sadly, the makers of this game care more about what the majority of us want rather than you two and the handful of botters who agree with you. With that in mind, let's all just try to have fun playing. No matter how many people have a Champions' Lance.

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Seriously? I'm posting from work FYI :D

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Originally Posted by Alicia_WM

To the two people in this thread advocating XI "king"-type spawns,

It seems the primary reason you don't want fast spawns is your concern that gear won't be rare or "special." I suspect the reason you don't want online games such as this to be accessible to those of us with jobs and families is because you are worried that there will be no advantage to being a neckbeard sitting in your parents' basement all day. Once everyone has a Silver Tricorne and Dodore Doublet, you might feel you'll once again be the losers you are in real life.

But it's ok! Like in real life, no one truly cares about you or what you do. Those of us with real lives just want to get on and relax after a hard day of -real- work. If you ever get a job, you'll understand the value of free time.

I get it; you want to block us from fighting HNMs in the game the way you feel you are blocked by us in real life. Sadly, the makers of this game care more about what the majority of us want rather than you two and the handful of botters who agree with you. With that in mind, let's all just try to have fun playing. No matter how many people have a Champions' Lance.

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Man you are mad huh?

IF YOU DON'T HAVE 3 HOURS TO CAMP AN NM THAN WHY ARE YOU EVEN PLAYING AN MMO?

Seriously there is nothing you're going to get accomplished if you can't play for at least that amount of time! Go play an fps or something.

It doesn't matter if you work all day and come home. IT IS 3 HOURS.

With the current system I don't like 24 hour HNMs unless there was maybe only one or two of them. Now when more areas come out and content I would be fine with having both, NMs like we got and maybe a handful of HNMs for the most dedicated LS. Only thing I don't like about the 24 HNM spawns is you end up with people using claiming bots and that takes no skill and makes an unfair advantage for others.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

to obtain feathers you kill mobs, you dont stand around, and there is no competition.
you play the game with skill and team work not with luck.

i want to ring a bell too! *ring a bell*

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You asked who would implement a instanced you could only do once a week+...

I told you. Then you quote me with, nothing?

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Originally Posted by Visch

WOW. FOR THE 100th time.

21-24 hour spawn isn't waiting for 24 hours. Read please.

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I suggest you read.... most pop times were during the japanese timezone. Or between 12am-6am boston mass time. or 9pm-3am west coast. I did alot of runs and was on from 6am -12am when I played ffxi longer. So again not everyone had acess to this content as it rarely poped during an american afternoon. If it did it was rare.
Also yes botclaim did happen after the update, they just changed the timing to claim nm to fit after the update. And your agrumant "you wre just bad" its a lame one.

Do you get no one truely wants 24 hour pop nms. Why do you need to insult everyone for stating their opinion this thread reeks of flame baiting.

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Originally Posted by Alicia_WM

To the two people in this thread advocating XI "king"-type spawns,

It seems the primary reason you don't want fast spawns is your concern that gear won't be rare or "special." I suspect the reason you don't want online games such as this to be accessible to those of us with jobs and families is because you are worried that there will be no advantage to being a neckbeard sitting in your parents' basement all day. Once everyone has a Silver Tricorne and Dodore Doublet, you might feel you'll once again be the losers you are in real life.

But it's ok! Like in real life, no one truly cares about you or what you do. Those of us with real lives just want to get on and relax after a hard day of -real- work. If you ever get a job, you'll understand the value of free time.

I get it; you want to block us from fighting HNMs in the game the way you feel you are blocked by us in real life. Sadly, the makers of this game care more about what the majority of us want rather than you two and the handful of botters who agree with you. With that in mind, let's all just try to have fun playing. No matter how many people have a Champions' Lance.

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Pure win with cherry topping.

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Originally Posted by Visch

Man you are mad huh?

IF YOU DON'T HAVE 3 HOURS TO CAMP AN NM THAN WHY ARE YOU EVEN PLAYING AN MMO?

Seriously there is nothing you're going to get accomplished if you can't play for at least that amount of time! Go play an fps or something.

It doesn't matter if you work all day and come home. IT IS 3 HOURS.

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I play about 90minutes on leve reset days and accomplish a lot. You just need to be organized, that's all.

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Originally Posted by Scarface

But fighting an instanced NM once a week is so much better? "

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Of course it is, walking into an instance with the NM already popped that you can engage any time, is many times better than standing there waiting for it to pop which you may never claim.

Given both examples are you truly telling me you would rather stand around waiting ?

People are crazy...

Its not just about gear being very rare, if every single person in the game has the exact same gear, access to every single aspect of the game at any second, why play.

Start a new thread asking SE to just restart every char in the game with everything, just every piece of gear ever, a weapon that when you attack something, it just says "YOU WIN".

HNMs (like a flying dragon for example) should roam/pop randomly around all Eorzea, with a reasonable respawn time.

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Originally Posted by Visch

Man you are mad huh?

IF YOU DON'T HAVE 3 HOURS TO CAMP AN NM THAN WHY ARE YOU EVEN PLAYING AN MMO?

Seriously there is nothing you're going to get accomplished if you can't play for at least that amount of time! Go play an fps or something.

It doesn't matter if you work all day and come home. IT IS 3 HOURS.

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why are you playing mmo to soley camp nm. You know there is more to mmo then camping nms.

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

I play about 90minutes on leve reset days and accomplish a lot. You just need to be organized, that's all.

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You shouldn't be as well geared as someone who plays much more than that. Simple.

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Originally Posted by Visch

Man you are mad huh?

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You seem to be the only one that's "mad" here.

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IF YOU DON'T HAVE 3 HOURS TO CAMP AN NM THAN WHY ARE YOU EVEN PLAYING AN MMO?

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And who are you to judge the minimum time someone should have to play a MMO?

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Seriously there is nothing you're going to get accomplished if you can't play for at least that amount of time! Go play an fps or something.

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Looks like in FFXIV people can accomplish quite a lot with limited time. And that's great.

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It doesn't matter if you work all day and come home. IT IS 3 HOURS.

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Yep, and people want to spend those 3 hours playing. Not waiting.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

Start a new thread asking SE to just restart every char in the game with everything, just every piece of gear ever, a weapon that when you attack something, it just says "YOU WIN".

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Perfect example of a strawman argument. People still need to beat the mob and actually get the drop. It's completely different from getting everythig automatically.

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Originally Posted by Scarface

You shouldn't be as well geared as someone who plays much more than that. Simple.

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So basically its an epeen thing ?

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Originally Posted by Visch

IF YOU DON'T HAVE 3 HOURS TO CAMP AN NM THAN WHY ARE YOU EVEN PLAYING AN MMO?

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[SIZE="7"]DUDE U MAD ???!!!11[/SIZE]

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Originally Posted by Scarface

You shouldn't be as well geared as someone who plays much more than that. Simple.

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EXACTLY

These people want to play for 2 hours on the weekend and be on the same level as everyone else. It's not right. No one would play the game more than 2 hours on the weekend if it was like that. The point in an MMO is it holds your interest.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Of course it is, walking into an instance with the NM already popped that you can engage any time, is many times better than standing there waiting for it to pop that you may never claim.

Given both examples are you truly telling me you would rather stand around waiting ?

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This is the last time I'm saying this........ I never said this is 24hr NMs vs instanced NMs.

All i'm say is that *IF* they implement more open world NMs they need to be 24hrs because if they're remotely close to what we have now, this game will remain shit in regards to endgame content.

If they do make it instanced it needs to be restricted to a week+ per run, low drop rate and insane difficulty. I hope this makes sense.

One monster popping anywhere in Eorzea is endlessly dumb, casuals are already complaining about not getting rare gear fast enough before good gear has even released, whatever that mob would drop, you and almost anyone elce will never see.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

People are crazy...

Its not just about gear being very rare, if every single person in the game has the exact same gear, access to every single aspect of the game at any second, why play.

Start a new thread asking SE to just restart every char in the game with everything, just every piece of gear ever, a weapon that when you attack something, it just says "YOU WIN".

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you never played an mmo for long have you. in time everyone ends up getting all the gear. And there is more to mmo then getting gear.

why bother having quests or leveling or missions or crafts if all people want to do is hunt nms for gear, that really was never worth it in the end.

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Originally Posted by Scarface

You shouldn't be as well geared as someone who plays much more than that. Simple.

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First, I said on level reset days. 90minutes will net me about 60-70k xp.
On days we decide to do NMs, we kill probably a dozen or so in 2-3hours. So with that said, I'm geared well, more so then others. I even waste a Dodore's Doublet for my crafting jobs that haven't seen themselves past level 20 w

Just need to be organized...that's all it comes down to. Maximize your playtime.

Man all caps are convincing...but anyway. 24 hour pops means that there is 24 hours between each spawn window, so even if it's a 3 hour spawn, someone has to be there to record the last death so they can bring all their LS and sit for the window. NM then shows up and a clusterf-clusterkerfuffle happens as everyone tries to claim it and then you wait another 24 hours for the 3 hour spawn window to occur. As a result if you want any shot at attempting these you join an LS and then you end up in a contract where your life (ingame and RL) bend to the will of the mob pop times. That's not even getting into random interLS politics which are another story.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

So basically its an epeen thing ?

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Think so, the problem i see is that by example , when i played FFXI, the real leet gear was salvage/odin gear , and not HNM gear(for the most part).
Salvage was just to much fun.Dont know what happened after i left ffxi.
Those were the times.
I still dream about that full set of usukane i never completed , /cry

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Originally Posted by Wevlum

Man all caps are convincing...but anyway. 24 hour pops means that there is 24 hours between each spawn window, so even if it's a 3 hour spawn, someone has to be there to record the last death so they can bring all their LS and sit for the window. NM then shows up and a clusterf-clusterkerfuffle happens as everyone tries to claim it and then you wait another 24 hours for the 3 hour spawn window to occur. As a result if you want any shot at attempting these you join an LS and then you end up in a contract where your life (ingame and RL) bend to the will of the mob pop times. That's not even getting into random interLS politics which are another story.

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Man blocks of text are convincing.

You don't have to go to an NM everyday if you don't want to. No one has a gun to your head. The game just isn't fun if everything is so simple to get.

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

First, I said on level reset days. 90minutes will net me about 60-70k xp.
On days we decide to do NMs, we kill probably a dozen or so in 2-3hours. So with that said, I'm geared well, more so then others. I even waste a Dodore's Doublet for my crafting jobs that haven't seen themselves past level 20 w

Just need to be organized...that's all it comes down to. Maximize your playtime.

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This is the prime example of how shit the endgame and difficulty of this game is.

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Originally Posted by Visch

EXACTLY

These people want to play for 2 hours on the weekend and be on the same level as everyone else. It's not right. No one would play the game more than 2 hours on the weekend if it was like that. The point in an MMO is it holds your interest.

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Did it every occure to you that... some time limits got forced on people after buying the game. Should they get punished also?

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Originally Posted by Scarface

You shouldn't be as well geared as someone who plays much more than that. Simple.

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You elites "who plays much more than that" will still be ahead(better geared), you can do more instances than normal players, get more coin drops than normal player, your position as top dog in the game will not be jeorpardized at all by allowing content to be accessible to normal players.

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Originally Posted by Scarface

This is the prime example of how shit the endgame and difficulty of this game is.

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To be perfectly honest, it's because SE doesn't deem Emulate worth hot-fixing.
If Emulate was fixed, I can truthfully say that this wouldn't be the case. Straight up, Emulate breaks the NM scene. It works on everything except Uraeus and Mosshorn.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

Did it every occure to you that... some time limits got forced on people after buying the game. Should they get punished also?

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Punished? No. Be on the same level as someone who plays so much more? No.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

Think so, the problem i see is that by example , when i played FFXI, the real leet gear was salvage/odin gear , and not HNM gear(for the most part).
Salvage was just to much fun.Dont know what happened after that.
Those were the times.

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I was NIN and SAM in XI so almost all of my gear was from instances. I had full Usukane, shadow ring/mantle. No matter what nothing was leeter than D ring. Nothing.

HNM drops were WAY harder to get than instanced stuff no matter how hard the actual fight is.

36 pages already? This is some kind of record...

Ive played FF11 since the day it came out and abyssea destroyed the game.

Please show me a casual LS in 11 that had all the endgame gear, i would love to see this.

HNM people do leve's/quest, we just do them efficiently in 1hr+ and have time, you takeing 3hr+ to do the same thing shouldnt be my problem.

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

To be perfectly honest, it's because SE doesn't deem Emulate worth hot-fixing.
If Emulate was fixed, I can truthfully say that this wouldn't be the case. Straight up, Emulate breaks the NM scene. It works on everything except Uraeus and Mosshorn.

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We kill all the NMs with less than 6 people with no emulate tank. This is irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Scarface

You asked who would implement a instanced you could only do once a week+...

I told you. Then you quote me with, nothing?

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my bad then, however in XI you have many instances that will keeps you occupied throughout the week and work to obtain varieties of gears, you do not only do einherjar that week. People camps kings because it provides the best gears and in smaller timeframe to achieve it, they were forced to do it (kinda)..

if Kings gear were available from say salvage (or lets say Dring from Einherjar), would people still do kings? some probably would for another chance at it, but alot will also stop coming to KB. I know i had more fun doing Salvage than camping kings because it requires teamwork and strategy with ticking clock to clear the zone, and if i had the option to obtain every other kings gears from instances, i wouldnt have spent my life on camping them.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

People who want 24 hour repops are probably the same people who complain that theres no rank locked gear. :/

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Says the lvl 9 thm running around in a bronze haubby!

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

Think so, the problem i see is that by example , when i played FFXI, the real leet gear was salvage/odin gear , and not HNM gear(for the most part).
Salvage was just to much fun.Dont know what happened after i left ffxi.
Those were the times.
I still dream about that full set of usukane i never completed , /cry

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people got bored of salvage. And zeni got introduced. I never got a chance to do salvage. And i really wanted that morrigan set for my rdm ; ;
most salavge times were not for me.