Housing is the biggest load of crap

Applaus! Well said hun! *claps* <3 And i agree with you.

I've seen so much of 1 person owning an entire ward....

Or the constant *fluffing* about, oh just move worlds, or servers. Or ''Just get a small'' When even getting a small is a hard thing, due to RNG. so yeah. Trust me love i feel you.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

Because you're not directly paying for the system. You're paying for the transfer. Technically.

Like I can be subbed for housing, but that's not what I'm paying for. Im paying for access to XIV, not housing directly. (Your house doesn't get demolished w/o a subscription active. But it can be demolished with an active subscription as well. Which is why, they can say, housing isn't tied to your subscription, because technically it isnt, you need to go inside it at some point to keep it. But that requires a subscription at some point. But it is not required to have a current active subscription to keep your plot.)

Its all about how they de-fang your argument, by offering you an alternative. Like if you don't want to pay for a transfer, free transfers exist.


Keep an eye out for Mist Ward 27 Plot 3

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Now this has to be the biggest boot-licking comment I have ever seen. Your arguments are:

- If server is dead, just transfer -> not square's fault
- If you can't get a house, just transfer -> no no it's not their crap system design
- If you have a house you won't lose it, but you need subscription but you also don't need it.

Biggest comment that equals to "leave this multi-billion company alone" meme.

You are paying subscription so you can access the whole damn game and square is trying to limit you from owning a house because their system is insanely bad. Anyone who denies this is a big shiller or someone who owns lots of plots and is happy that they can deny people from getting one.

They only require sub for this system because it's the only way to make you be subbed forever or they will lose lots and lots of players.

you think thats bad i lost a 300 mil gil house and 600 from the ffx14 store and i buy my subs from the store then bam sold out from dec to may it was bs

i buid 66 times for mid large zip

then i bought dawn trail lol i got a thank you number never got it so i told them to take it bake cancle whats up with the ffx14 store 2 gimes screwed 1 stoped selling subs before dawntrail i lost my house all subs sold out and buy a game never get it hell my buddys dad is trump

i started playing wow hell there geting ffx14 houseing and you never lose your house no demo ever

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Originally Posted by MayuAmakura

Now this has to be the biggest boot-licking comment I have ever seen. Your arguments are:

- If server is dead, just transfer -> not square's fault
- If you can't get a house, just transfer -> no no it's not their crap system design
- If you have a house you won't lose it, but you need subscription but you also don't need it.

Biggest comment that equals to "leave this multi-billion company alone" meme.

You are paying subscription so you can access the whole damn game and square is trying to limit you from owning a house because their system is insanely bad. Anyone who denies this is a big shiller or someone who owns lots of plots and is happy that they can deny people from getting one.

They only require sub for this system because it's the only way to make you be subbed forever or they will lose lots and lots of players.

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PREACH IT SISTER! love the energy! lay into them!

I understand folks frustration with the FF XIV housing system. Ultimately your not "entitled" to a housing plot...heck not even a apartment. That's a feature not a bug. FFXIV is pretty transparent that not all players will ultimately be on equal footing - only that they will all have the same chances at success. Every lotto is the same chances for every person and what you might want won't be in every lotto and some will take longer then others.

With a few VERY small exceptions every world still always has homes up every lotto - whether you are 1 of 3 bids or 1 of 2000000 bids - your chances of winning are still the same as every other bidder. The people that may own multiple plots are not bad actors - merely successful which is proof that the system is not as impossible as those frustrated would believe.

I JUST LOOOOOOOOOVE .... the broken and useless lottery on FF for a house.

BID ON A LARGE = Loss.

BID on MED = Loss.

BID ON SMALL = loss...

bit on smalls they say.... fluff fluff i say.

There is NO GUARANTEED with a small either. so whoever said ''bid on smalls' can shove it.

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

The people that may own multiple plots are not bad actors - merely successful which is proof that the system is not as impossible as those frustrated would believe.

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That depends entirely on who you're referring to here. If you're talking about someone who has an FC house and a personal house, then no, they're not bad actors. If you're talking about people who buy up entire housing wards, then yeah, I would call them bad actors. They may not be TECHNICALLY breaking the rules any more than the folks who bought out entire wards with click bots and such from before the lottery was implemented (or reselling land at obscene prices from the very early days), but they're not playing fairly either.

Because let's face it, it's a LOT easier to win a house when you've got several entries on it from alts or alt accounts or whatever the current scheme to wriggle around the rules and restrictions is.

And that kind of thing is what upsets a lot of people. Completely justifiably. Because they're playing by the rules AND spirit of the game and getting the short end of the stick, which is not fair at all. What's worse is that Square won't, or can't, penalize these people because they didn't TECHNICALLY break the rules and they've got an established policy of grandfathering people who own entire wards into new systems when changes are made... which doesn't help the housing shortage at all.

I also fundamentally disagree with you about people not being entitled to housing. It's a major feature of the game, and is advertised as one of the selling points the same as glamour, raids, or anything other content. Therefore, everyone absolutely SHOULD have access to play that content if they want to.

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Originally Posted by Kytrin

That depends entirely on who you're referring to here. If you're talking about someone who has an FC house and a personal house, then no, they're not bad actors. If you're talking about people who buy up entire housing wards, then yeah, I would call them bad actors. They may not be TECHNICALLY breaking the rules any more than the folks who bought out entire wards with click bots and such from before the lottery was implemented (or reselling land at obscene prices from the very early days), but they're not playing fairly either.

Because let's face it, it's a LOT easier to win a house when you've got several entries on it from alts or alt accounts or whatever the current scheme to wriggle around the rules and restrictions is.

And that kind of thing is what upsets a lot of people. Completely justifiably. Because they're playing by the rules AND spirit of the game and getting the short end of the stick, which is not fair at all. What's worse is that Square won't, or can't, penalize these people because they didn't TECHNICALLY break the rules and they've got an established policy of grandfathering people who own entire wards into new systems when changes are made... which doesn't help the housing shortage at all.

I also fundamentally disagree with you about people not being entitled to housing. It's a major feature of the game, and is advertised as one of the selling points the same as glamour, raids, or anything other content. Therefore, everyone absolutely SHOULD have access to play that content if they want to.

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Bidding with 20-40 alts is the current meta, yes. More if you want to get more of your service accounts involved, but that's time consuming and not usually necessary for smalls. You can usually get away with 5 to 10 on those. The most I've ever done is 60, but that was for the main Shiro large, the one on the hill.

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Originally Posted by IOwn92FCHouses

Bidding with 20-40 alts is the current meta, yes. More if you want to get more of your service accounts involved, but that's time consuming and not usually necessary for smalls. You can usually get away with 5 to 10 on those. The most I've ever done is 60, but that was for the main Shiro large, the one on the hill.

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That's... not something you should brag about. But given your screen name, I'm not surprised you are.

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Originally Posted by Kytrin

That's... not something you should brag about. But given your screen name, I'm not surprised you are.

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It's a troll. just report it. Its clear they are here just to instigate and troll and cause problems.

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Originally Posted by Yuniko

BID ON A LARGE = Loss.

BID on MED = Loss.

BID ON SMALL = loss...

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Keep bidding = chances increased
Bid when there is lot of empty plot (so spreading the competition) = chances increased again

Took me 20 months to get private medium, after I moved my main server. 34 rounds, and of course the success came when auto-demo cleaned number of plots at once. Picking subdivision location might have helped too i reckon but who knows.

I have to agree with Burmecia. If you stop bidding, you'll never win...
I know it's frustrating. I don't quite remember how long it took me to get my house, but I felt like giving up (and I did, temporarily) many times. RNG feels ruthless, but it's also fair to all (provided you're in a personal ward where Mr. I-own-3-housing-districts can't harass you lol)


People have shared lots of good tips to better your chances, but at the end of the day it's still a game of chance. The good thing is that there's no punishment for not being the winner, your gil is given back in full and you can try again until you get it. I wish you all the best of luck in your future lotteries.

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Originally Posted by Shistar

I have to agree with Burmecia. If you stop bidding, you'll never win...
I know it's frustrating. I don't quite remember how long it took me to get my house, but I felt like giving up (and I did, temporarily) many times. RNG feels ruthless, but it's also fair to all (provided you're in a personal ward where Mr. I-own-3-housing-districts can't harass you lol)


People have shared lots of good tips to better your chances, but at the end of the day it's still a game of chance. The good thing is that there's no punishment for not being the winner, your gil is given back in full and you can try again until you get it. I wish you all the best of luck in your future lotteries.

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I agree, it's frustrating, especially if you're on a high population world or you are gunning for a very specific sought-after plot. However, I don't think anything they change now would really satisfy anyone. If they go instanced, people will be upset, if they go with whatever other solution someone may come up with, people will be upset.

It's annoying when you bid week after week and still don't win, but that's where you have to decide do I really want *this* plot or do I want *a* plot. For starters I had a small in Empyreum, a random one that had 0 bids. I decided that actually I want a medium in Shirogane, at first I wanted to settle for one of the real nice plots or a beach front. But as time dragged on, I decided that actually any medium Shirogane will do just fine and I bid on one with 0 bids. Aware that I got extremely lucky, but also aware that if I wanted to bid on the ones I actually wanted I'd have less chance.

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Originally Posted by Nyastra

If they go instanced, people will be upset, if they go with whatever other solution someone may come up with, people will be upset.

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There's this idea floating around in the forums about allowing instanced housing in the EW Island Sanctuary (less resources spent on it) or within the Loporrits' burrow (more resources spent on it, since it'd be all new), considering they have lots of space for, you know, preparing to evacuate an entire planet. People who don't care for housing much or don't like having to stay subbed to keep it would stay there.


Then, there'd be an option to move your instanced plot over to the wards for the behavior we know now. I actually think this would benefit the wards, as everyone who moved in there would have to make a conscious effort to first, get in there, and second, maintain their house there. If you don't visit your house often enough, it gets sent back to the island.


It feels like a good middle ground for both groups, but I personally think the idea may need some polish still. For one, we already have the Loporrits involved in an expansion, a beast tribe and now Cosmic Exploration, so I'd rule out the burrow house simply because we have enough Loporrit presence right now lol
The island is criminally underutilized. They could add the option to build a house on it as a last rank reward, but the tropical style is not everyone's cup of tea, of course. So there's some stuff to think about with this idea still.

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Originally Posted by Shistar

There's this idea floating around in the forums about allowing instanced housing in the EW Island Sanctuary (less resources spent on it) or within the Loporrits' burrow (more resources spent on it, since it'd be all new), considering they have lots of space for, you know, preparing to evacuate an entire planet. People who don't care for housing much or don't like having to stay subbed to keep it would stay there.


Then, there'd be an option to move your instanced plot over to the wards for the behavior we know now. I actually think this would benefit the wards, as everyone who moved in there would have to make a conscious effort to first, get in there, and second, maintain their house there. If you don't visit your house often enough, it gets sent back to the island.


It feels like a good middle ground for both groups, but I personally think the idea may need some polish still. For one, we already have the Loporrits involved in an expansion, a beast tribe and now Cosmic Exploration, so I'd rule out the burrow house simply because we have enough Loporrit presence right now lol
The island is criminally underutilized. They could add the option to build a house on it as a last rank reward, but the tropical style is not everyone's cup of tea, of course. So there's some stuff to think about with this idea still.

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I would be down for Island Sanctuary being housing if I was able to change the scenery/rid of the tropical vibe. But because I don't vibe with it I haven't really touched decorating it all that much sadly.

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Originally Posted by Burmecia

Keep bidding = chances increased
Bid when there is lot of empty plot (so spreading the competition) = chances increased again

Took me 20 months to get private medium, after I moved my main server. 34 rounds, and of course the success came when auto-demo cleaned number of plots at once. Picking subdivision location might have helped too i reckon but who knows.

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Thank you i will keep trying <3 not going to let it beat me!

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Originally Posted by Shistar

I have to agree with Burmecia. If you stop bidding, you'll never win...
I know it's frustrating. I don't quite remember how long it took me to get my house, but I felt like giving up (and I did, temporarily) many times. RNG feels ruthless, but it's also fair to all (provided you're in a personal ward where Mr. I-own-3-housing-districts can't harass you lol)


People have shared lots of good tips to better your chances, but at the end of the day it's still a game of chance. The good thing is that there's no punishment for not being the winner, your gil is given back in full and you can try again until you get it. I wish you all the best of luck in your future lotteries.

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I won't give up! i'm gnna keep trying hard! <3 Thank you so so much!

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Originally Posted by Yuniko

I won't give up! i'm gnna keep trying hard! <3 Thank you so so much!

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That's the spirit, you got this! <3

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Originally Posted by Yuniko

It's a troll. just report it. Its clear they are here just to instigate and troll and cause problems.

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I'm sorry you took personal offense to facts and information. <3 You might not like the info, but not liking someone's message doesn't make them a troll, hun. =)

You could use this info, you know. Considering how desperate you seem to be for a house. Everyone in this thread should be able to have up to 8 bids on a house. That's more than enough for a small, and it requires basically no effort. You're actively choosing to not have a house.

More for me, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Kytrin

I also fundamentally disagree with you about people not being entitled to housing. It's a major feature of the game, and is advertised as one of the selling points the same as glamour, raids, or anything other content. Therefore, everyone absolutely SHOULD have access to play that content if they want to.

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And everyone does, players may not want to acknowledge Apt as housing, but it is housing and so fundamentally everyone does have access to housing. Disagree with it if you want but technically the housing feature being advertised as a feature is being met.

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Originally Posted by MayuAmakura

They only require sub for this system because it's the only way to make you be subbed forever or they will lose lots and lots of players.

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Heres the technicality. You can keep your plot without a subscription. But you can lose it with a active subscription as well. So technically it doesn't tie you to a subscription directly

Also if the game has to force you back into your house so you wont lose it and that's a problem? what does that say about people's interest in housing? You're arguing you don't want to "have to" use your plot

ive had my plot since 2017, since housing is a priority for me. Why would the demo timer be a problem if the house sees semi daily use? If you're saying once a month is too short of a time to visit, how often are you utilizing your plot? Because if its going untouched for over a month, its not high on the priority list.

I personally think the player demand is good, you may dislike the limited supply, but if it keeps people chomping at the bit for it. And I think that is a good thing. You may disagree, and that's fine. But humans certainly like rare shiny things noone has, then a common item everyone has. That's why small can go days with 0 bids but people will attempt a mansion with over 177 bids, and pray to hail mary it. Realistically Mansion are a downgrade if you're attempting to decorate it with density coming from a medium. But the rarity is what keeps them so popular despite them having a worse item to space ratio then a medium/small/even apt


"Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist,"

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Originally Posted by Yuniko

I JUST LOOOOOOOOOVE .... the broken and useless lottery on FF for a house.

BID ON A LARGE = Loss.

BID on MED = Loss.

BID ON SMALL = loss...

bit on smalls they say.... fluff fluff i say.

There is NO GUARANTEED with a small either. so whoever said ''bid on smalls' can shove it.

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Right, you are completely ignoring the fact that about two months ago there were plenty of small plots on your server with no bidders: see post #231.
Although the image no longer exists, I am pretty sure it showed screenshots proving that small plots had no bidders.
Poor judgment is probably the main reason you still don’t have a house right now.

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Originally Posted by Yuniko

I JUST LOOOOOOOOOVE .... the broken and useless lottery on FF for a house.

BID ON A LARGE = Loss.

BID on MED = Loss.

BID ON SMALL = loss...

bit on smalls they say.... fluff fluff i say.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Right, you are completely ignoring the fact that about two months ago there were plenty of small plots on your server with no bidders: see post #231.
Although the image no longer exists, I am pretty sure it showed screenshots proving that small plots had no bidders.
Poor judgment is probably the main reason you still don’t have a house right now.

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It did and I still have those dozen images showing what "was" open. What's currently open but ya cant bid on it just yet.

Mist w26,p10
MIST W15,P16 ( don't put on plot.20 is over 20 bids on a cause.It's a beachside house)
GOBLET W3, p15
W24,p25 (a medium, once this goes live its gonna be bid galore)
Goblet w20,p28
LB W13,P4
Lb w21, p12
Empy w4,p16

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You can disassociate from the truth, but it is there.