[Feedback] Data Center Travel Changes

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Or people friends can stop being lazy and leave their dc's for a change.

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lmfao that's not even reliably possible or it would've hapopened already but yeah alright lemme ring up 150 players off diabolos and ask them to all come visit me. /clap

maybe you should just not ... lol

Keep making excuses one community in this game proved long ago what I said can be done.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Keep making excuses one community in this game proved long ago what I said can be done.

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alright buddy

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Originally Posted by 1313

lmfao that's not even reliably possible or it would've hapopened already but yeah alright lemme ring up 150 players off diabolos and ask them to all come visit me. /clap

maybe you should just not ... lol

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Someone needs a history lesson...

How about no lmao I done that for many years no thank you to the person who keeps dissing the whole dc travel om how we should just stay on our home dc how about you go chill on your homeworld and let us enjoy the enjoyment we had with the travel :)

What in tarnation are you mortals making sooo much noise about? Data center travel? Balmung’s horny nightlife culture is still 100% accessible, so all is well. As such, cease this ceaseless whining, you common peasants! (No, no no no I’m sooo kidding…my heart goes out to you if your rp scene has been affected by this.)

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Originally Posted by Vandi

What in tarnation are you mortals making sooo much noise about? Data center travel? Balmung’s horny nightlife culture is still 100% accessible, so all is well. As such, cease this ceaseless whining, you common peasants! (No, no no no I’m sooo kidding…my heart goes out to you if your rp scene has been affected by this.)

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Sounds more like the raid community and not so much the rp community being as they have weathered this kind of congestion in the past and came out stronger from it.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

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1) Why do you keep on responding and we already established you don't even know what Congestion actually is.

2) I'm not even going to write a wall of text to respond to the middle three sections when it's clear you have no idea about how Bozja or the botting world works. There's so many things that I'm literally chuckling at, that would have to exist to even remotely do what you accused me of, nothing less than $5000-10000 in custom build/optimized PC power, and paying $600+ monthly for the game and I spend half my day RP'ing, doing PvP, and talking to Gposers xDD Like, it's so oblivious, I can't lol Man said I'm paying 2 car notes a month to do fates and have a MLG tournament PC setup xD Man said Optic and Faze could run scrims at my house, but I'm busy arguing with a level 80 job skip character that doesn't even play the game and has no MSQ progress, clearly being bot-liked by their friends LMFAO

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Originally Posted by Kit_Lakshmi

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That's the misunderstanding. You're not supposed to be able to go to Dynamis reliably anymore. If you could, that would just shift the problem. You aren't supposed to be going anywhere consistently and for a long time period because that is what causes problems wherever you go, even outside of running content. That severely impedes cross-DC interactions is because that very activity impeded home-DC interactions that people had enjoyed for 5-10+ years compared to the 3 for DC Travel. This happened because that new interaction is not top of the priority list.

"quietly being worked on" -> Agreed. Because we have no idea what the traveler or visitor limit is, and they get to set it anytime they want, and we don't even know if they need a maintenance to change it. The only thing they posted is relativity notes on the worlds in terms of "decreased or "increased", but not what the "Normal" amount is that can be shifted at any time. We don't even know if "Normal" exists per Data Center or is it shared per Region, or is Normal for that world. There's a lot of assumptions we have to make, but the one assumption I won't make is that they're going to backpeddle and make things easier because of complaints that could've been predicted by a 3-year old.

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Originally Posted by Kit_Lakshmi

One week later and this is the impact of the new data center travel system on my friends and me:

Those of us who are not on Aether, log into Aether in the morning before the rush. Most members are on Aether and we will not risk trying to have everyone log into Dynamis because we got burned real bad a week ago. An entire night was lost. No gaming at all. We are fully aware of the longstanding congestion problems on Aether because most are Aether natives. But friends are friends and having a common time to play together is limited and precious. We will continue to log into Aether under the current data center transfer system until there are changes. This is human nature, sticking with friends in familiar places and minimizing risks. It goes against human nature to start new and risk leaving friends. The current data center transfer system creates pressure to do the latter, it goes against human nature, and so it will have limited success.

I am currently babysitting a connection on Aether for eight hours so I can play with friends tonight. I am fully aware this is not what SE wants players to do. But they are my friends. We have limited time to play together. I will continue to do this.

I am also getting the impression that it's getting harder to data center transfer into Aether. I suspect this is because an increasing number of players are using plugins to stay logged in. I don't blame them. It's human nature to stick with friends in familiar places with years of investment and less risk of an obliterated gaming night for all friends. This is just my speculation about an increasing impact of the current data center transfer system.

Maybe Aether will become impossible to transfer into all day long all week long. Maybe Aether will officially go on complete lockdown. Maybe the same will happen to other specific world servers. I hope Dynamis will be ready to serve as a reliable data center transfer for NA. My friends and I were ok with doing gaming nights on Dynamis before the mess of the current system. We would change our behavior and return to playing on Dynamis if it went back to being... RELIABLE.

How about an official announcement recognizing these concerns, SE? Or — real talk — we can just keep doing what humans do, ToS be damned.

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SE has come down hard on congestion like this before just at a smaller scale and they didn't budge despite community backlash so I wouldn't hold your breathe on them changing their stance. More to the point players responded the same way you and many others have. In the end SE got what it wanted less congestion as Void said earlier if it continues to get worse SE could forcibly move players back to their Home DC/worlds.

Well they neglected to remove these dumb restrictions with this maintenance, according to their update announcement. Was nice knowing you guys.

I so severely do not care what removing these garbage regulations would do to PF, it would not make a mote of difference in my mind. I'm tired of being slapped on the wrist for wanting to spend time with my friends.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Sounds more like the raid community and not so much the rp community being as they have weathered this kind of congestion in the past and came out stronger from it.

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just a little commentary here because this is actually pretty funny to me

have you ever been to balmung lately ? balmung is literally the RP/other kind of RP hubs, i dont know what you're talking about "weathered this kind of congestion", everyone is literally on crystal for RP, it's the same situation but for RP, there's not anywhere as much anywhere else, like please if you are going to speak on a topic at least do a tiny minuscule amount of research

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Originally Posted by 1313

Well they neglected to remove these dumb restrictions with this maintenance, according to their update announcement. Was nice knowing you guys.

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Apparently according to some people in this forum (they'll know who they are), you should just not have those friends and get new ones, because muh congestion ! People will go on Aether to raid, oh noooooooo! Clearly this will never happen again the second Aether opens up again in the future ! Keep it locked down ! Lmao, I swear to god it's like these people have 0 logical skills, as if because you lock it down now, the second aether opens they wont go back there.

This happens in every single MMORPG in the market, WoW has the same with Moonguard or Argent Dawn for the EU region, people always pack up in one place, and SE allowed it with DC travel, you cant just go "oopsie i did a woopsie" and then heavily restrict a feature just because people did exactly what you allowed to do, that aint a thing, like make it make sense people lmao

I will say, SE can be very grateful that this community is completely weak and has 0 backbone to stand up to them and actually ask for this (or anything really) to be fixed, yall are literally the problem with this game.

FFXIV is the only game that actively punishes people for playing with their friends in an MMORPG, and some people here will stand there proudly saying that it's a good thing because "people flock to one DC and they shouldnt be !!!! bad !!!"

I assume these things happen at peak hours when I'm already asleep

I have a EU timezone and I regularly DC travel to Dynamis to grab S rank hunts, and I'm coming from a congested world, Balmung, but both on the way and on the way back, I get one minute transfers

I mostly play between 2PM EST to 8PM EST, do the problems occur to the rest of you later than these times?

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Originally Posted by EponaTBHSMH

I assume these things happen at peak hours when I'm already asleep

I have a EU timezone and I regularly DC travel to Dynamis to grab S rank hunts, and I'm coming from a congested world, Balmung, but both on the way and on the way back, I get one minute transfers

I mostly play between 2PM EST to 8PM EST, do the problems occur to the rest of you later than these times?

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Correct. Prime time on NA would be 8/9PM EST until 12-2AM EST depending on Data Center. That's when most people try to raid and when venues open for rp.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

I mean, while I understand being with your friends is what you want, that's what caused problems, so the more you and your friends fight against the devs, the hard they're just going to screw everyone over including you. That's what caused this situation to begin with and you fighting the solution is just going to make them more strict. If you're noticing it's getting harder to sign into Aether, it's probably because it is. Eventually more and more people are just going to try to cheat the system and you won't be able to sign in to Aether period after you disconnect or a maintenance happens that forces you off. Or, the amount of cheating gets so high that Square decides to host a maintenance and shift data center travel to not even allowing travelers at all to sign into Aether so even if you're at character select, you can't get into the world. You being there is only because Square allows you to be, and like I said, the more you piss them off, the more you're going to force their hand to do what they could've did already. You can keep doing what humans do, and they're just gonna keep doing what devs do.

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That's not my case: My RL WIFE cannot return because of this - Cannot make a new character and SE is literally telling me that if I want her and 20+ other guildmates together, I have to walk away from an FC that has been active since 2013 - To hell with the time and money spent since then to maintain a FC House over that period of time because of a stupid fluke regarding an explanation SQUARE wrote =\



These aren't friends that I recently met on this game - In most cases, they are RL friends that have been together for nearly 20 years and one that started on Siren - Return her home SE

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

just a little commentary here because this is actually pretty funny to me

have you ever been to balmung lately ? balmung is literally the RP/other kind of RP hubs, i dont know what you're talking about "weathered this kind of congestion", everyone is literally on crystal for RP, it's the same situation but for RP, there's not anywhere as much anywhere else, like please if you are going to speak on a topic at least do a tiny minuscule amount of research

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Apparently you don't know the actual history of Balmung or you don't know what weathered means. Balmung was labeled as Congested for 80+% of the year for the last 4+ years with noone able to create new characters. Before Endwalker, every single housing in Balmung was taken up including apartments in every ward and subdivision in every neighborhood. Housing as a whole was non-existent on Balmung to the point people were paying 500M-1B for a large Goblet back then. Roleplay communities also regulary cap housing that restrict people from joining their friends, cap housing wards that prevent people from even getting inside, dealt with years of harassment that had venues locking doors to prevent future guests from entering, used to regularly lock players out of community discords from not having character/phone verification, making report/ban threats off of associations that prevent people from joining their friends. OG RP people aren't new the concept of being told "no" when it comes to congestion in general or joining their friends. And most would find it lowkey almost weird for people to complain about losing their friends on one data center, when most of them have friends on every single data center that they've made from actually socializing, and venue owners deal with the severing of connections of hundreds, potentially thousands of staff, partners, and guests. And yet, they aren't the primary one's here on the forums despite background frustration I've heard. One of the primary rules of the RP community in itself is "No means no". You aren't taught or expected to challenge things when something gets shut down. If you are locked away from your friends, you take the loss and meet up at a different time or have them come to you instead. They eat the inconvenience instead of screaming about an entitlement because they realize it's out of their hands and would rather walk away than get an accusation of "being disrespectful" or "inconsiderate of others" because it leads to situations getting worse including getting blackballed by an entire data center's worth of venues like what raiders have been doing to Aether.

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

That's not my case: My RL WIFE cannot return because of this - Cannot make a new character and SE is literally telling me that if I want her and 20+ other guildmates together, I have to walk away from an FC that has been active since 2013 - To hell with the time and money spent since then to maintain a FC House over that period of time because of a stupid fluke regarding an explanation SQUARE wrote =\



These aren't friends that I recently met on this game - In most cases, they are RL friends that have been together for nearly 20 years and one that started on Siren - Return her home SE

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Because what you want is something that I was going to let you learn on your own since you seem to be an older person that doesn't know the average developer mindstate or company protocol. The old days of game companies having a personal touch in their customer support is gone due to people lying and abusing systems as well as playerbases growing over time. If they refund or help you, a lot of people are going to ask for the same, and they're not going to deal with that headache, that door isn't going to be opened. They're going to say that you should've confirmed/asked before making the transfer, including checking the FAQ on the support page for ff14 where it states that free companies are not on the list of data that is transferable with the home world transfer service. That also opens the door for people to home world transfer to recieve benefits such as XP bonuses, chocobo feathers, gil, etc. and then return, on top of allowing characters to rejoin a congested world that is not supposed to be accepting new characters at all. Being made an exception to the policy is going to cause liability to someone's job because most players will tell others how they received something and it become expected or favoritism accusations circulate. Another example of where no personal touch in support is the case is account rollbacks when it comes to housing. If someone was to hack your account (like what happened to me), support can recover your personal house and belongings, but anything done to the FC including the property itself cannot be reinstated. You, as the leader of the FC, are also not entitled to the FC activity log after it leaves the chat log you can see in game. So if someone was to kick everyone from the FC, demo the house, and then spend a bunch of company credits to flood the log, customer support will not even give you the name of the person that kicked everyone and demo'd your property. My mistake costed me 500Mil in housing property on Aether, yours costed you valuable members of your FC.

Thank you for stepping in Void. Not in the mood to play history teacher. I was also thinking of the two times the congestion was at its worse. If they think this congestion is bad roflmao They dont know how easy they got it..

Couldn't SE just have restricted PF use for travelers instead of restricting travel? If people were only able to join private password PF parties as a traveler and not create any parties, then raiders would stay on their own data center unless they were joining a friend's PF party.

Every other game offers the ability to return to a home server with a fee with next to no questions asked as to why you're doing it - This one feels it necessary to tell you regardless of how much time and money that has been spent that at any point they will lock the server down and force you to work with what you have on that server which feels slightly totalitarian - Flukes happen, misunderstandings happen - It was made very clear by SE that after the 90 day lockout something can be done but for right now - NOPE 90 days is 90 days because of crooked people exploiting the system and ruining it for people with serious issues - DC travel be damned regarding this.


As for your thinly veiled "old man doesn't know how the game industry works" remark - If you only knew just intrinsically connected I am as an audio engineer for 30+ years who I know on a professional and personal basis in the game industry... Keep your sewer SHUT - SE has already stated after 90 days they'll be able to do something, you fearmongering for your server and the situation is going to write a check you aren't going to be able to cash child... You aren't an advocate for the company nor do you represent them in any capacity outside of white knighting YOUR circumstances to possibly "educate" people as to what you think the companies going to do...

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

Every other game offers the ability to return to a home server with a fee with next to no questions asked as to why you're doing it - This one feels it necessary to tell you regardless of how much time and money that has been spent that at any point they will lock the server down and force you to work with what you have on that server which feels slightly totalitarian - Flukes happen, misunderstandings happen - It was made very clear by SE that after the 90 day lockout something can be done but for right now

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Listen, I'm not gonna flood this thread with screenshots of various other games where that first sentence is a lie/not possible *cough*.
https://i.imgur.com/3rWgP7T.png
https://i.imgur.com/uNBrkqV.png
https://i.imgur.com/yCnGPf2.png
https://i.imgur.com/c9f48sa.png

Let's do something significantly easier. Post 1 receipt of a decently populated MMO that has the feature you speak of. An MMO that does not have server/world caps, no world/server transfer restrictions, and or will allow someone to bypass a no transfer restriction.

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

Flukes happen, misunderstandings happen

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

Listen, I'm not gonna flood this thread with screenshots of various other games where that first sentence is a lie/not possible *cough*.
https://i.imgur.com/3rWgP7T.png
https://i.imgur.com/uNBrkqV.png
https://i.imgur.com/yCnGPf2.png
https://i.imgur.com/c9f48sa.png

Let's do something significantly easier. Post 1 receipt of a decently populated MMO that has the feature you speak of. An MMO that does not have server/world caps, no world/server transfer restrictions, and or will allow someone to bypass a no transfer restriction.

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Yet WoW handles server transfers to FULL worlds (aka congested) just fine, weird how that works.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

Yet WoW handles server transfers to FULL worlds (aka congested) just fine, weird how that works.

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Out of curiousity I checked GW2, and it's very much the same.

https://i.imgur.com/3mF64HS.png
Source: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World#Transferring

I think SE should start copying homework from both Blizzard (allow people to transfer if they pay money) and give us a megaserver like GW2 or a mega-data center.

I'm curious why that is, what kind of limitations cause that and so on...

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

Ok, and the second Aether will open, because it eventually will, people will pile on Aether again.

So ?

Cross DC PF is not in the work, because it'd require a tiny bit of effort from SE which they dont care to do, so what, do we just lock the DC indefinitely because people will pile up on it ? Where do we draw the line ?

They created DC travel, they created the problem. And this aint the solution, the second Aether eventually opens, it will happen again.

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Correct. They created DC travel and as a result caused a problem. I don't support restrictions of any kind, even those on retainers/fc buffs (or storage) even in cross world. Especially for retainers, something that you might be paying extra subscription for- to lose access to it while traveling is awful.

So? I think we might be seeing fluctuations of restrictions.

In my opinion DC travel affects certain aspects of the game and at times negatively ie hunts/PF. I don't enjoy feeling like I'm on the DC that is 'dying', or if I want content I have to inconvenience myself to go elsewhere. Things were fine before DC travel, it's only a problem because they didn't release it alongside cross DC PF/DF.

SE keeps insisting on segregating the playerbase by adding more DC that are dead on arrival. Instead we get resources invested into a half baked graphical update rather than a fix for that. I think until we get a permanent solution we might unfortunately deal with restrictions. Restrictions aren't new, and I agree they suck, I'd be down to DC travel on a new DC if I didn't lose access to something I'm paying monthly for or my buffs.

If it were up to me, I'd work pour resources into making cross DC PF/DF a reality, it'll lessen the load of people flocking to one DC while DC travel's restriction would be lifted, allowing people to travel freely to meet up with friends/do content or organize social events. I think it'd mitigate some of the issues that people are facing currently. That's my opinion anyway.

Restrictions suck. Depending on restrictions people will find ways around it and it might make said restrictions worse.

I hope SE comes up with a solution that makes people on both sides happy, though I have little faith.

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Originally Posted by 1313

The options were: to to another dc, stay on your dc, or don't do content. Then people attached a false label to aether and other data centers died off. if they hadnt congregated to one spot, everyone wouldve complained about how mid their expereinces had been. it mae perfect sense to do it. but now the options are:dont do the content. (for me). there's no valid option for me since my group is on another dc and we cant even meet up to hi five let alone raid.

This comes back to the players who need to do their part. They need to not attach false labels and spread misinformation. Aether was never the go to spot to do [content]. it was the go-to for ULTIMATES. everyone else should've stayed home, until the content drought (like they did), then gather in one spot (dc).

This is also largely due to certain things that spent up the endwalker budget, which left little for players to do at endgame considering there was no relic related content to keep people busy. So naturally, during a content drought with a shortage of endgame players, people would want to be in one spot. it's not dogpiling, it's adapting and overcoming hardships to be able to play the content they pay to play in a reasonably enjoyable atmosphere.

If they don't revert the restriction to be back to normal again with this hotfix, i'll bet dynamis become just as dead as it was when people were travelling to aether. the difference being, it'll be because they're unsubbed and offline instead of not being on their home world.

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I'll speak for Chaos in this case since EU is way smaller than NA and the effect of the 'adapting and overcoming hardships' like you call it was noticable. As people leave from one place to another, those that stay behind are going to be forced to follow. From my personal experience of doing content on chaos during ShB and EW (Pre-DC travel) I was always able to find something to do, I go on Light and the PF entries are sometimes double or triple that of Chaos, as I result I either had to lose access to my retainers, contact with friends, FC, just to farm EX or dabble in high end content.

Like I said, cross DC PF/DF would be a great solution to both you and me. I hope if that is ever implemented that restrictions to DC travel would be lifted entirely.

I don't believe restrictions are great. They're a bandaid fix. I think we need some kind of mega DC and stop this whole segregation SE loves doing.

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Originally Posted by Rueby

Out of curiousity I checked GW2, and it's very much the same.

https://i.imgur.com/3mF64HS.png
Source: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World#Transferring

I think SE should start copying homework from both Blizzard (allow people to transfer if they pay money) and give us a megaserver like GW2 or a mega-data center.

I'm curious why that is, what kind of limitations cause that and so on...

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Personally I'd nix the megaserver. I'm a GW2 refugee and the megaserver system kept putting me in the same world as people I've blocked, and they were able to still harass me anyways. But if Sqenix can work it in such a way that that won't happen, I'd be fine with it.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

Yet WoW handles server transfers to FULL worlds (aka congested) just fine, weird how that works.

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The issue with FFXIV is the infrastructure was built incorrectly from the start and they built atop of it. FFXIV has separate individual storage spaces for absolutely everything, including retainers. This has not changed since 2.0 outside of capacity increases.

When we world transfer or DC travel, the system only keeps our personal inventory and a few special storage areas like the glamour dresser and armoire. Additionally, if you look at the buff bar the text color changes on them from green to white, which probably means it is applying a copy of a buff to the character without a designated source. Basically, they have a very clunky system and never intended for this feature to exist.

As for why WoW lets people transfer to congested servers and FFXIV doesn't, that's probably more a policy thing. FFXIV has had that suffering from success problem of getting too many players before so they try to make sure everyone has a max possible login time. WoW is just kind of a monster when it comes to this stuff: Simpler game so more time to deal with the big problems.

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Originally Posted by KazukoHimura

Personally I'd nix the megaserver. I'm a GW2 refugee and the megaserver system kept putting me in the same world as people I've blocked, and they were able to still harass me anyways. But if Sqenix can work it in such a way that that won't happen, I'd be fine with it.

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Don't we already have a literal delete character button in terms of block functionality? You can't see their model or messages anymore- something that isn't in GW2. I also played GW2 for 5 or so years before starting FFXIV, I never had issues with people there as much as I did here. I'm sorry you went through that. On the bright side as we become a megaserver/DC there'd be a larger pool of players to pick from and you'd unlikely run into someone you blocked in DF/PF.

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Originally Posted by Rueby

Correct. They created DC travel and as a result caused a problem. I don't support restrictions of any kind, even those on retainers/fc buffs (or storage) even in cross world. Especially for retainers, something that you might be paying extra subscription for- to lose access to it while traveling is awful.

So? I think we might be seeing fluctuations of restrictions.

In my opinion DC travel affects certain aspects of the game and at times negatively ie hunts/PF. I don't enjoy feeling like I'm on the DC that is 'dying', or if I want content I have to inconvenience myself to go elsewhere. Things were fine before DC travel, it's only a problem because they didn't release it alongside cross DC PF/DF.

SE keeps insisting on segregating the playerbase by adding more DC that are dead on arrival. Instead we get resources invested into a half baked graphical update rather than a fix for that. I think until we get a permanent solution we might unfortunately deal with restrictions. Restrictions aren't new, and I agree they suck, I'd be down to DC travel on a new DC if I didn't lose access to something I'm paying monthly for or my buffs.

If it were up to me, I'd work pour resources into making cross DC PF/DF a reality, it'll lessen the load of people flocking to one DC while DC travel's restriction would be lifted, allowing people to travel freely to meet up with friends/do content or organize social events. I think it'd mitigate some of the issues that people are facing currently. That's my opinion anyway.

Restrictions suck. Depending on restrictions people will find ways around it and it might make said restrictions worse.

I hope SE comes up with a solution that makes people on both sides happy, though I have little faith.

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Yes restrictions suck but so does instability caused by over crowding. Aether has been there and done that. If we would like a possible repeat of said occurance remove those restrictions before a better fix is in place.

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Originally Posted by Colt47

The issue with FFXIV is the infrastructure was built incorrectly from the start and they built atop of it. FFXIV has separate individual storage spaces for absolutely everything, including retainers. This has not changed since 2.0 outside of capacity increases.

When we world transfer or DC travel, the system only keeps our personal inventory and a few special storage areas like the glamour dresser and armoire. Additionally, if you look at the buff bar the text color changes on them from green to white, which probably means it is applying a copy of a buff to the character without a designated source. Basically, they have a very clunky system and never intended for this feature to exist.

As for why WoW lets people transfer to congested servers and FFXIV doesn't, that's probably more a policy thing. FFXIV has had that suffering from success problem of getting too many players before so they try to make sure everyone has a max possible login time. WoW is just kind of a monster when it comes to this stuff: Simpler game so more time to deal with the big problems.

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Ugh going to feel like a broken record saying this but...this entire games back bone needs to be rebuilt.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

Yet WoW handles server transfers to FULL worlds (aka congested) just fine, weird how that works.

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WoW is called locked servers instead of full. Research that term.

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Originally Posted by Rueby

Don't we already have a literal delete character button in terms of block functionality? You can't see their model or messages anymore- something that isn't in GW2. I also played GW2 for 5 or so years before starting FFXIV, I never had issues with people there as much as I did here. I'm sorry you went through that. On the bright side as we become a megaserver/DC there'd be a larger pool of players to pick from and you'd unlikely run into someone you blocked in DF/PF.

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You know, you're right. While I did have some trouble with people here as well, I've been able to more easily avoid them compared to over there. So yeah, megaserver system away.

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Originally Posted by Rueby

Out of curiousity I checked GW2, and it's very much the same.

https://i.imgur.com/3mF64HS.png
Source: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World#Transferring

I think SE should start copying homework from both Blizzard (allow people to transfer if they pay money) and give us a megaserver like GW2 or a mega-data center.

I'm curious why that is, what kind of limitations cause that and so on...

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"are allowed only if the population of the world is at less than capacity"

I know people here are arguing about very important, technical stuff I don't understand but ... I just wanted to poke my head in here and say how the DC travel changes have effected me and my friends. Me and my best friend, husband, and a few other friends have been on Halicarnassus since it was made because that was around when we joined the game and it was what we were directed to. Despite it being largely "dead" we stayed because we managed to find a RP FC and were able to travel to Crystal and Aether for RP on the evenings nothing was open on our server (which was often). Ever since the DC travel restrictions were put in place, as soon as DC transfer was available, our FC of just over 30 people has seen several people leave so they can transfer to Crystal because every night they are unable to access RP. The RP venues are still borderline non-existent on Dynamis PF (unless you're looking to go to a gambling den or DJ nightclub, which I'm not) while alive elsewhere. It's been so dead that people have gotten bored and are either just not logging in anymore or are, as I said, fleeing to Crystal while a couple of those worlds are still open for transfer. Me and my friend are planning to transfer later tonight so we can also make it to Crystal before it's completely blocked off and we're stuck on the worst server in the game. So yeah, before we had an active and somewhat healthy FC of people who'd play on both Dynamis and Crystal, now our FC is dying as everyone flees to Crystal because Dynamis honest to god just sucks. That's the impact that this change has had on our FC. Not sure if that's what Square Enix originally intended with these changes, but that's what's happening.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

WoW is called locked servers instead of full. Research that term.

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https://i.imgur.com/j3C5t1d.png

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

"are allowed only if the population of the world is at less than capacity"

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Also, example #2 of Customer Support that is not allowed to help as I previously said most games have the policy of.
https://i.imgur.com/0JgzMtU.png

Creating or moving characters to full DCs is a different issue, though, to SE completely destroying both gameplay and the social scene. Can we move back on topic

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Originally Posted by KappaRoll

I know people here are arguing about very important, technical stuff I don't understand but ... I just wanted to poke my head in here and say how the DC travel changes have effected me and my friends. Me and my best friend, husband, and a few other friends have been on Halicarnassus since it was made because that was around when we joined the game and it was what we were directed to. Despite it being largely "dead" we stayed because we managed to find a RP FC and were able to travel to Crystal and Aether for RP on the evenings nothing was open on our server (which was often). Ever since the DC travel restrictions were put in place, as soon as DC transfer was available, our FC of just over 30 people has seen several people leave so they can transfer to Crystal because every night they are unable to access RP. The RP venues are still borderline non-existent on Dynamis PF (unless you're looking to go to a gambling den or DJ nightclub, which I'm not) while alive elsewhere. It's been so dead that people have gotten bored and are either just not logging in anymore or are, as I said, fleeing to Crystal while a couple of those worlds are still open for transfer. Me and my friend are planning to transfer later tonight so we can also make it to Crystal before it's completely blocked off and we're stuck on the worst server in the game. So yeah, before we had an active and somewhat healthy FC of people who'd play on both Dynamis and Crystal, now our FC is dying as everyone flees to Crystal because Dynamis honest to god just sucks. That's the impact that this change has had on our FC. Not sure if that's what Square Enix originally intended with these changes, but that's what's happening.

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....and the rest of Dynamis is dead, can't travel unless I give up on sleep and move over to another dc at 6am but now I'm at a loss cuz I cant access any of my retainers or fc buffs, etc. no sleep, no queues, no leveling retainers, small number of people to talk to and play with. The pf is pretty barren most times, queues are rough no matter what job you play, except for a couple hours in the evening when the online player count reaches its daily peak. so many people are just straight up quitting the game, taking a break, or fleeing to another dc asap where they sit logged in 24/7 using 3rd party tools to avoid being removed for inactivity. Dynamis is just as dead as it was at patch 6.5 (ish) and is getting worse daily. I believe everyone from Dynamis is due some playtime as compensation, because this has just been a completely unacceptable situation. The fact that they've completely ignored this outburst of unhappiness on the forums by not removing the restrictions with the hotfix, and haven't commented on it at all is complete disrespect to all of us, and unprofessional to say the least.