New Grand Company Gear (04/23/2012)

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

I can't say I see the WoW comparisons >_> I think we're starting to manifest similarities that don't exist. They look like final fantasy weapons; I can't be the only person who's played the console rpgs, and if you have played them, then nothing here is outside of SE's usual taste for weaponry. SE has always produced normal weapons, fancy gadget weapons, gag/lol weapons, and "wtf is this" weapons. Always. I am surprised as to why anyone is so shocked at the weapons being churned out now: they are totally SE and final fantasy flavor. When has final fantasy NOT had weapons like that? The 8bit generation?

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I am waiting for Buster sword personally :P

Hmm maybe. Lux. But i see alot of entertaining gag in the moogle weapons but with the gag i see nice detail and form (Moogle axe has moogle cuteness but its still a pretty sexy axe). I look at some of the Guardia weapons and i see more oversized tacked on parts, which i remember happening quite a bit in wow weaponry.

I guess to me it just seems a silly way to decide on the aesthetics of drops. Guardia of wind. Lets put wings on a bunch of the drops. Big feathery wings. When you could just as well make the same "wing and feather" statement in the shape and forom of the bow itself.

(Maybe the arc of the bow could be the winged pattern and the handle and knock could have a decorated handguard that could make the whole bow looks like a bird/angel/guardia in flight)

I guess the above is more of the aesthetic look i'm more pleased with. And if you take a look at alot of the clothes and armor in FF14. Some of these weapons look so out of place. Which might be why they look even more over the top.

Take a look at say Vintage Hauberk or even Colbolt plate. and then look at some of the up coming weapons. It just makes the difference seem even bigger. FF14 has a more muted look then many MMOs and even past FF games. Like some posters said.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

You call the original classically inspired weapons fisher price, but praise the weapon that looks like a block?

Personally, I like both.



http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lf...s968o1_500.jpg
Like, you know, weapons.

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Except the Aeolian Scimitar wasn't in at launch....
And to be fair, thats not even the Aeolian Scimitar

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

I can't say I see the WoW comparisons >_> I think we're starting to manifest similarities that don't exist. They look like final fantasy weapons; I can't be the only person who's played the console rpgs, and if you have played them, then nothing here is outside of SE's usual taste for weaponry. SE has always produced normal weapons, fancy gadget weapons, gag/lol weapons, and "wtf is this" weapons. Always. I am surprised as to why anyone is so shocked at the weapons being churned out now: they are totally SE and final fantasy flavor. When has final fantasy NOT had weapons like that? The 8bit generation?

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They meant it's not FFXI-like, so FFXI isn't very FF-like actually.

I wonder what it's like to be born without that part of your brain which tells you if something is ugly or not. Fact is, some of these weapons just don't mesh with the rest of the gameworld. It looks wrong. S.E. should rethink their design choices for the future, at the very least.

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

I wonder what it's like to be born without that part of your brain which tells you if something is ugly or not. Fact is, some of these weapons just don't mesh with the rest of the gameworld. It looks wrong. S.E. should rethink their design choices for the future, at the very least.

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Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder?

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder?

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Alone, there is nothing wrong with the weapons. Juxtaposed with rest of the game, it clashes. It's like if they put a Power Rangers character in Game of Thrones.

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Originally Posted by BadOmen

Want realistic weapons with realistic status, sure... be crappy.

Also, if you were up to do all weapons look only realistic, you do soon run out ideas in design for them.

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You can have weapons with a fantasy style that still fit a realistic aspect, which is all artistic realism is about - the ability to display the abstract in a manner consistent with how they would appear in the objective world.

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

I wonder what it's like to be born without that part of your brain which tells you if something is ugly or not. Fact is, some of these weapons just don't mesh with the rest of the gameworld. It looks wrong. S.E. should rethink their design choices for the future, at the very least.

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Way to have a pretentiously objection perspective on something extremely subjective

The perception of Aesthetic beauty differs from person to person....

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Originally Posted by Rydin

Way to have a pretentiously objection perspective on something extremely subjective

The perception of Aesthetic beauty differs from person to person....

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That is true, but you would not put pink and brown together(normally). That's how this is.

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Originally Posted by Rydin

The perception of Aesthetic beauty differs from person to person....

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True. Some people like tacky things. For such people, TERA is that way. --->

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

True. Some people like tacky things. For such people, TERA is that way. --->

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Currently playing the beta of it right now as I type.

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

True. Some people like tacky things. For such people, TERA is that way. --->

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So like this?
http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/y...izardstaff.jpg

Simple, yet from when I had this, this was god damn useful unlike all the other weapons. Also it was one-handed staff.

Me personally I'm with the I hate all pug weapons camp but I must say all the people saying we need realistic weapons for this game I'm like huh? I'm a cat girl that can talk and walk upright. How is that realistic? The whole point of playing is to have fun in a fantasy world.

Any moderators listening? Lock this thread already.

It's bad enough that people complain about every detail in the game, but now we're having trollfests and flamewars because we don't all share the same taste for aesthetics... If you're not going to stop complaining, quit. If you're not going to quit, stop complaining.

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Originally Posted by Karazaki

Any moderators listening? Lock this thread already.

It's bad enough that people complain about every detail in the game, but now we're having trollfests and flamewars because we don't all share the same taste for aesthetics... If you're not going to stop complaining, quit. If you're not going to quit, stop complaining.

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I honestly think.. bobbygunz doesn't like the game one bit.. as he has not 1 thing good to say about FFXIV nor its direction, He pays for the game.. and it sounds like he's not even remotely enjoying it... :/... Meh.. it is what it is...

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I honestly think.. bobbygunz doesn't like the game one bit.. as he has not 1 thing good to say about FFXIV nor its direction, He pays for the game.. and it sounds like he's not even remotely enjoying it... :/... Meh.. it is what it is...

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I'm not taking sides, but comments like this could just further provoke others. :(

However, I do agree that players who have nothing but complaints about the game shouldn't waste their time posting on the forums.

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Originally Posted by Firon

I don't get it how can a weapon be a joke. So id i walked up to someone with a brick, would you be like is this dude joking He thinks he can kill me with a brick!!??!?! Anything can be a weapon if you truly wanted to hurt someone >_>.

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http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...thril_clip.jpg
Mythril clip
A weapon from FF VII

This reminds me of a thread that was made when we got the video for Ifrit weapons; "OMG THAT BOW JUST TOO BIG /RAGEQUIT". Along came patch day and everyone forgot what they were protesting. Let's just skip a step, shut up, and prepare for killing Garuda.

I like all the weapons.
Of course I think the new crafted THM weapon is a bit to big. Maybe it would be look better if it is a bit smaller. The Garuda THM weapon is cool ^^
Primal weapons can still be oversized, I would say. But for crafted weapons it should be a bit smaller.
Here a nice picture from Tifa's weapons. Maybe SE could use them for future crafted
THM weapons ^^
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/20...oud_Strife.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/h...UltimaTifa.jpg

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Originally Posted by Buddhsie

This reminds me of a thread that was made when we got the video for Ifrit weapons; "OMG THAT BOW JUST TOO BIG /RAGEQUIT". Along came patch day and everyone forgot what they were protesting. Let's just skip a step, shut up, and prepare for killing Garuda.

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Yeah, and than once they seen ppl with it around town it was "man that bow looks awesome I want it!"

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Originally Posted by Felis

I like all the weapons.
Of course I think the new crafted THM weapon is a bit to big. Maybe it would be look better if it is a bit smaller. The Garuda THM weapon is cool ^^
Primal weapons can still be oversized, I would say. But for crafted weapons it should be a bit smaller.
Here a nice picture from Tifa's weapons. Maybe SE could use them for future crafted THM weapons ^^
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/20...oud_Strife.jpg

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This is definition of good now? Lets not be biased here, it's basically 4 weapon types reskinned.

While I initially wanted to gush about the awesome-looking THM weapon ('tis my main job), and poke fun a little bit about the glowing bricks that PUG got, a brief read through the first few pages diverted my attention to another issue. That is, why on earth are people so hostile towards anyone remotely critical of SE?

Reading this thread, it would appear as if half of the people on these forums want to hear nothing but praise for every small step SE takes with FFXIV. That anyone who voices a shred of displeasure over some (often serious) issue prior to the release of 2.0 (when all of these problems are supposed to magically vanish, hah) is just a useless crybaby who can never be happy with anything SE does.

Now to be fair, some people probably are just chronic whiners. That being said, voicing a legitimate complaint, even in somewhat over-the-top language, isn't grounds to piss yourselves and begin shouting down upon anyone who dares mention even a small complaint. SE isn't perfect, even the new development team. Are they an improvement over Tanaka? Sure, I think we can all agree on that. Does that mean the game is perfect, or that we should praise every step they take, even if it could have been done better? No, of course not. New content that's meh is new content that's meh, and no, we shouldn't be bloody happy with it if the additions suck.

TL;DR: You all come out of the woodwork to tell people to stop complaining because you're sick of hearing it on the forums. Well before you jump on your high horse, remember that many of us likely are sick of hearing everyone mindlessly praising SE's every move, too. Some of us aren't happy with the direction the game is moving in, and if you don't like it, either stay out of the discussion, or offer tangible counter-arguments or opinions rather than telling everyone to shut up and quit complaining.

I guess I'm in a bit of cognitive dissonance.
I really want an MMO that can make the realistic beautiful and fantastic. A low fantasy setting like Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones, but with actual color and with more magic.
But these items are so original and creatively designed that I find myself really liking them.

The game is moving towards a high fantasy setting. That's already been put in motion and they're only redesigning once. But I'm sad to be without a game in the style that I was pulled into when it began.
In a world full of WoW copies, Korean dreamscapes, and under-saturated attempts at gritty 'realism', It was so original to have a game heavy in fantasy, but with believable and practical equipment.

It's not enough to make me quit, but bittersweet all the same.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

It's not enough to make me quit, but bittersweet all the same.

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I feel you man.

To be fair... I remember a dev post about how big the PGL weapons were....

And the post seemed to indicate the devs did this on purpose because larger weapons bring out the level of detail that was put into them and if they were smaller, you wouldn't be able to appreciate how detailed they really are...

My thing is... You guys sound like you have a problem with these new weapons... when the issue many seem to be having is the size of PGL weapons overall... which has NOTHING to do with Grand Company, Garuda or AF weapons... AT ALL

I cant find the post so if someone remembers where it is... or remembers it at all...

To be fair... I'd like it if all PGL weapons were a little more understated... but it doesn't make me angry that they are this big....
I Just wanted to make sure its the size that's bothering people and not the actual designs....

To be fair... it really does seem like it would be tough to consistently deliver original and unique looking hand to hand weapons

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

This is definition of good now? Lets not be biased here, it's basically 4 weapon types reskinned.

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It's a decent starting point, unlike the current collection of the high-tiered PUG weapons.

Hmm, if these items are crafted, would that mean that they are simply giving us high tier damage weapons that can have materia in them?

Also, noticed the new armor they are wearing... while a lot of it looks rehashed, I'm glad they are bringing something new out for us to see.

The Elder Monk just called. they want there Pole Weapons back.

Here is the thing I haven't seen anyone really talk about either... DARKSTEEL ORE....

I don't know about you guys... but I would LOVE some black crafted gear....

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Originally Posted by Rydin

Here is the thing I haven't seen anyone really talk about either... DARKSTEEL ORE....

I don't know about you guys... but I would LOVE some black crafted gear....

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Because Darklight isn't black and looks horrible.

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Originally Posted by Buddhsie

Because Darklight isn't black and looks horrible.

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ok, yea... but...

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Originally Posted by Rydin

I don't know about you guys... but I would LOVE some black crafted gear....

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There are no darklight belts and also triple melded STR gloves are a viable alternative to Darklight

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

TL;DR: You all come out of the woodwork to tell people to stop complaining because you're sick of hearing it on the forums. Well before you jump on your high horse, remember that many of us likely are sick of hearing everyone mindlessly praising SE's every move, too. Some of us aren't happy with the direction the game is moving in, and if you don't like it, either stay out of the discussion, or offer tangible counter-arguments or opinions rather than telling everyone to shut up and quit complaining.

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Im actually very happy with the direction of this game.. I'm just sick of all the good weapons, more specifically the good PGL weapons, looking ridiculously stupid.

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Originally Posted by Rydin

To be fair... I remember a dev post about how big the PGL weapons were....

And the post seemed to indicate the devs did this on purpose because larger weapons bring out the level of detail that was put into them and if they were smaller, you wouldn't be able to appreciate how detailed they really are...

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I recall them saying the same thing. Unfortunately, a Giant brick does not really have a bunch of detail to look at.. Even if it does expand and glow..

I would rather barely be able to see my weapon than look at those atrocities.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Im actually very happy with the direction of this game.. I'm just sick of all the good weapons, more specifically the good PGL weapons, looking ridiculously stupid.

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You're hitting them with a blunt mass of charged metal at the end of your fist.
How is that not bad ass?

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Originally Posted by Gramul

You're hitting them with a blunt mass of charged metal at the end of your fist.
How is that not bad ass?

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Because it look like a freakin Super Mario Bros. block.. I'm still waiting for a fat little plumber to smash his head into that Lala's fist.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Because it look like a freakin Super Mario Bros. block.. I'm still waiting for a fat little plumber to smash his head into that Lala's fist.

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Oh no you didn't! Bashing Mario like that! He Rocks! Mario is the reason we HAVE games! :p

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Originally Posted by Rokien

That is true, but you would not put pink and brown together(normally). That's how this is.

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Tell that to the fine folks at Vera Bradley. But I guess one of their biggest sellers is just hideous, right?

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m...s/4ac17efb.jpg

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

Tell that to the fine folks at Vera Bradley. But I guess one of their biggest sellers is just hideous, right?

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m...s/4ac17efb.jpg

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If I was a girl... I would totally buy that... Just sayin'...

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Because it look like a freakin Super Mario Bros. block.. I'm still waiting for a fat little plumber to smash his head into that Lala's fist.

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No it dosn't.
Mario blocks are square and yellow/brown bricked.
This is rectangular and black metal with some sort of red energy inside it.
Even Mario couldn't break that.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

Tell that to the fine folks at Vera Bradley. But I guess one of their biggest sellers is just hideous, right?

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m...s/4ac17efb.jpg

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...It is kinda hideous.
That pattern does NOT work with diamond stitching. Just saying.