Please let PS4 parse our dps like pc

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Originally Posted by HWalsh

You are aware that your words there make you sound, right?

You can't say, "Keep these type of players out of my way" without sounding like an 80's sports movie villain.

Using a program not supported by, and in fact is against the rules of, the game to "improve" is exactly like using steroids to win a weight lifting competition.

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A parser is more like recording one of my fights and then reviewing it later to see all the mistakes I made to then act on them. If it was steroids, the parser would let me compete with DPS players as a Tank or a Healer. Get your damn comparisons straight.

Also I outdps'd more players than I care to mention on Warrior during HW and SB. Am I wrong in wanting those players effectively being awful out of my way?

So far i don't see any problem with having a parser.

As others said those who gonna use it as an excuse to kick people in non - EX/Sav content would do the same even now.
The only ones who'll see drastic changes probably are those who try to leech/get carried on EX/Sav PuG's.

At least no-one would be against an EX/Sav only purser right?

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Originally Posted by Misutoraru

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Just saw your post actually, how about if its available only in EX/Sav?
This content is aimed to the HC crowd anyway.

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Originally Posted by Saintly

So far i don't see any problem with having a parser.

As others said those who gonna use it as an excuse to kick people in non - EX/Sav content would do the same even now.
The only ones who'll see drastic changes probably are those who try to leech/get carried on EX/Sav PuG's.

At least no-one would be against an EX/Sav only purser right?

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Just saw your post actually, how about if its available only in EX/Sav?
This content is aimed to the HC crowd anyway.

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Yeah an EX/Sav only parser would be great since that is really the only content it is the most helpful. Would be a good compromise (Though it is nice to parse a six minute fight on a dummy and upload it to fflogs then post the logs in the Balance server and have people look over it to spot any basic mistakes you might be making in your opener and rotation)

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Originally Posted by Misutoraru

this is the problem here isnt it, how do we guarantee it will be use properly and giving a tool for the toxic crowd.

may be strictly raid finder only, and have a clear explanation and enforcement of how "harassment" define in game

i mean 40 pages, both side just repeating themselves, other than those fight that escalate into some nonsense.

I think ppl who want it to be implement official could come up with some idea how to do it and ease the worry of the other side

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People have come up with a bunch of ideas - there were even a few buried in the mess that is this thread

I mean heck, I'd be happy with actual numbers in stone sea and sky. Stick a meter in there, whatever. I just want to actually quantitatively know how well I'm doing without risking a ban for something that shouldn't be bannable.

There is a big difference between dps A doing 8k and dps B doing 6k vs dps A doing 8k and dps B doing 2k in the lvl 77 dungeon. 8k vs 6k is a huge difference but the 6k could have a lot of reasons for being so low. Never seen the fight, got some new moves they havent figured out yet, messed up/died, lacking powerful moves still, etc. It happens, and it is a lvling dungeon. You could even argue 6k is the avg and they did nothing wrong, the 8k dps was just really good. 8k vs 2k though? No dps at lvl 70+ should ever be pulling 2k while alive in aoe or st, ever.

Dps numbers on a parser mean nothing without context, something most understand when around them for any length of time. If someone dies to something at the start of the fight and has low dps in a lvling dungeon, better luck next time. If they are alive and only pulling 2k(lvl 77 dungeon) the entire fight? They are legit doing something really wrong that needs to be fixed.

Calling someone out for 6k dps in the lvl 77 dungeon on a boss would be pretty toxic imo(pretty sure everyone but healers can do more than 6k in aoe). Calling out someone(again alive the whole fight) doing 2k should be perfectly valid. They are getting carried and need to improve. If they got to lvl 77 like that I doubt they are going to get any better at max without changing something.

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Originally Posted by Caitsithhh

We aren’t playing savage and extremes to “care” about our fellow player outside of getting friends their clear.

Also, LMFAO at the idea of letting a single person try to learn their class and raid with seven more advanced players simply because we are nice and don’t care to progress... Since one person learning is more important than seven others actually having fun and clearing. Delusions are real too I suppose

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I've gone into EX learning and clear parties, normally alone/sometimes with friends, specifically to help strangers clear. One of my most treasured moments was sifting idiots out of a Shinryu EX learning party until I got an entire PUG willing to chat in discord, with only myself and one other having cleared (some people never even having TRIED the fight). Once we got that final group, everyone on chat and listening, we cleared first try in that lockout.

The things is, when I want to do that I go looking for it. I don't wan't to do it EVERY TIME, and I definitely don't want to wind up having to do it if that wasn't advertised up front (AKA trap parties). I certainly don't want to do it when progressing myself, which is why I'm reticent to PUG Eden Savage right now while I try out for statics.

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Originally Posted by HWalsh

You are aware that your words there make you sound, right?

You can't say, "Keep these type of players out of my way" without sounding like an 80's sports movie villain.

Using a program not supported by, and in fact is against the rules of, the game to "improve" is exactly like using steroids to win a weight lifting competition.

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This is a horrible analogy. Parsing doesn't make you immediately better for using it. It just collects data, and how you act on that data determines if and how you improve. You don't need to parse yourself, or even look at your own logs, to utilize the data. A parser is just an advanced and more quantitative version of video-capturing your runs and rewatching them to spot mistakes, which is what I do when I play on PS4.

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Originally Posted by Miles064

Calling someone out for 6k dps in the lvl 77 dungeon on a boss would be pretty toxic imo(pretty sure everyone but healers can do more than 6k in aoe). Calling out someone(again alive the whole fight) doing 2k should be perfectly valid. They are getting carried and need to improve.

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In the real world of WoW, when 8K was the max, a dude doing 6K would never be talked about. Everyone knows that when you PuG you will encounter people with less skill. 6/8 is still very good and easily enough to clear content.

The 2K dude would probably get encouraged to do more/given a few pointers if his mistakes were obvious enough, if he fails to do so he would be kicked.
Rightly so, no one liked to drag dead weight through content.

But people here will argue that confronting the half AFK 2K person is totally "toxic" and that it is your God givn duty to drag his rear end through till kingdom come.

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Originally Posted by Miles064

There is a big difference between dps A doing 8k and dps B doing 6k vs dps A doing 8k and dps B doing 2k in the lvl 77 dungeon. 8k vs 6k is a huge difference but the 6k could have a lot of reasons for being so low. Never seen the fight, got some new moves they havent figured out yet, messed up/died, lacking powerful moves still, etc. It happens, and it is a lvling dungeon. You could even argue 6k is the avg and they did nothing wrong, the 8k dps was just really good. 8k vs 2k though? No dps at lvl 70+ should ever be pulling 2k while alive in aoe or st, ever.

Dps numbers on a parser mean nothing without context, something most understand when around them for any length of time. If someone dies to something at the start of the fight and has low dps in a lvling dungeon, better luck next time. If they are alive and only pulling 2k(lvl 77 dungeon) the entire fight? They are legit doing something really wrong that needs to be fixed.

Calling someone out for 6k dps in the lvl 77 dungeon on a boss would be pretty toxic imo(pretty sure everyone but healers can do more than 6k in aoe). Calling out someone(again alive the whole fight) doing 2k should be perfectly valid. They are getting carried and need to improve. If they got to lvl 77 like that I doubt they are going to get any better at max without changing something.

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No one is going to care to much about dungeons. People most of the time aren't going to be kicked in dungeons for low dps, because the content is so easy, and it is quicker most of the time to just suck it up and keep pushing on instead of kicking and waiting for a replacement.