Regarding the Revision of the Prohibited Activities and Account Penalty Policy

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Originally Posted by ovIm

Please SE. Consider pulling and rewriting this document. We all understand what you are trying to do here (dont be a dick to each other), but that is not what the words you have written say. They are easily misinterpreted and can be used to silence constructive attempts at actually helping people. The players in this thread are not pissed about the fact that you want to implement easy to understand rules, but the way it has been worded.

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Exactly. I understand the need to have a less toxic atmosphere, but these rules create a fear of being band that leads away from community and toward insular groups of seldom-interacting people who don't even want to help each other lest their intentions be misconstrued.

I’m seeing a lot of ‘I haven’t experienced this so it doesn’t happen’ in this thread...

Unless some metric exists within the game that tells us how many people have been reported within the last few months and what the report was for, none of us can really say whether harassment etc is excessive or non-existence.

And more importantly there’s the argument that just because you aren’t emotionally affected by something doesn’t mean others aren’t.

What one person considers ‘toxic’, another person considers ‘advice’. When such a conflict in perceptions exists how else can we determine what’s hurtful, other than how the person experiencing it feels? Again, I really don’t think exercising a bit of empathy is too much to ask lol

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Originally Posted by Xtrasweettea

The thing is that, what your version of "polite and acceptable behavior is" may not be the same as my version of "polite and acceptable behavior" is. I may find it completely polite to hold open doors for everyone: men, women, children, people of non-specified genders, gender-less individuals, etc. You may think that only women need to have the door held open for them. Who's "polite and acceptable behavior" wins here? Yours?

Also, we are playing with people from different culture and sub-cultures. Politeness carries differently in some rural town in Alabama, USA than in London, England. Who's set of societal social norms are correct and need to be followed? Who's parents clearly failed?

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Aren't the CSR's who make these calls drawn from the region they administrate? If so, what's the problem then?

All it takes is a little basic human empathy to avoid most of these pitfalls. If a person lacks that, they have no business in any social setting as far as I'm concerned.

And for the record, I'm from Georgia US. We're so polite we hold the door for everybody. And we say "Bless yer heart" because we're too polite to call somebody stupid.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

They've always been just those, but GMs would say "Although it's not listed on the screen, playstyle differences are an acceptable reason" when a report was sent to them. That's what I was referring to.

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Right, but the whole point of this discussion is that GMs are amping up their enforcement of the rules as written, and adding additional rules as listed in the document. Things that they let slide before won't be allowed to continue now... or as they said in the post:

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GMs would not actively take action against other types of behavior that were deemed to be “annoying but not crossing the line from an objective eye.” Instead encouraging the involved players to resolve the situation through communication, adding the players to the blacklist or other peaceful methods.

However, times have changed and although FINAL FANTASY is an MMORPG, it is now our belief that it is better for the community as a whole for us to “intervene in situations where a player is subjected to the abusive behavior of another player,” rather than “worrying about inhibiting communication between players.”

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Thirty-two pages of overreactions. XD

Whatever the text says, nothing has changed. Whether an account is banned or not now, as always, depends on how the GM is feeling at the time the report is made. These rules might SEEM like they're adding more restrictions, but really they're just justifying what GMs have been doing (or not doing, at the GM's judgment) all along. People have had no luck strong-arming GMs with the letter of the law up to this point, and that's not gonna change just because the law now has more letters. You don't need to worry about folks filing frivolous cases against you - as long as you keep a level head.

I know it's tough for some people, but as long as you stay civil, remain tolerant of others' shortcomings, don't lose your temper, and basically behave like a mature adult, it doesn't matter WHAT people report you for. The GM will take your side. Heck, if you follow those suggestions, the chances that you'll even be reported in the first place plummet to almost nothing. That's the way it's always been, and now is no different.

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Behaving like a mature adult is live and let live, GMs had their roles to intervene when some severe and specific lines were crossed but not to act as stand in kindergarden wardens.

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Originally Posted by LaurieB

Its a game...that's a bit over the top. Easy to fix, just like anything else, don't like the rules, don't play. Dissecting why they are in place is futile. Getting offended by the rules themselves is futile as well. They have their reasons. Extrapolating a complete society for reasons of rules in a game won't answer the why either. I just don't see why IRL issues keep coming up concerning these rules. You may feel better for saying it, but it doesn't change, answer why, give any answers other then "that's the way it is in this game...go or stay." I'm staying.

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If customer feedback can't change the companies actions, there is no reason for you to post in this thread either.

"My way or the highway" is also a bad outlook for a company that sells a product. Paying customers are ignored at the companies peril. There are other video games people can spend money on, you know.

So many crazy rude people bullying players I am so glad this is in effect. The bullies will hate it but who cares.

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Originally Posted by Roda

Reshsde has always been a grey area, and mesh/texture swap mods have always been against the rules.

Though, it has me wondering. Have they lifted the font ask dont tell policy on parsers like act and fflogs and instead gone back to "just dont ever do it"?

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There is a post on the forum where a community leader said Reshade was fine and would never be banned. There are also several sources out there that said prior to these changes that SE was cool with normal mods but totally against nude mods.

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Originally Posted by Keddera_StormMoon

Aren't the CSR's who make these calls drawn from the region they administrate? If so, what's the problem then?

All it takes is a little basic human empathy to avoid most of these pitfalls. If a person lacks that, they have no business in any social setting as far as I'm concerned.

And for the record, I'm from Georgia US. We're so polite we hold the door for everybody. And we say "Bless yer heart" because we're too polite to call somebody stupid.

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That's just the point though. In California, they don't do that. In some parts of Colorado, even suggesting that something be blessed gets you yelled at (and in other parts, it's totally fine and normal). GMs on North American servers are from North America, sure... but that could mean areas of North America where what you consider to be common decency someone else considers to be highly offensive.

Another thing about this whole mess...

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・Expressions that compel a playing style

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◆Obstruction of play
"Obstruction of play" means all behaviour in general that obstructs another person's game play.

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One person's playstyle can obstruct the gameplay of the rest of the group.
But we're not allowed to talk about their playstyle, but they're not allowed to obstruct others.

Which rule is considered more important since having both will clash with each other.

I really hope SE seeks to rewrite this to make it less vague. The overall intention is good - but the wording is so incredibly vague that it makes it basically impossible to know what is acceptable behavior and what isn't.

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Originally Posted by Celestene

So many crazy rude people bullying players I am so glad this is in effect. The bullies will hate it but who cares.

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And trolls reporting you for advices will love it.
Just keep your tongue behind your teeth so you will not get banned for "could you use x spell please?", which sounds like a highly offensive satire type of comment of someones gameplay style, since its written word the context will be always missing and so you will get banned for it, because why not there are 100 reports more to sort out today.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

Another thing about this whole mess...




One person's playstyle can obstruct the gameplay of the rest of the group.
But we're not allowed to talk about their playstyle, but they're not allowed to obstruct others.

Which rule is considered more important since having both will clash with each other.

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The one who reports first.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

And trolls reporting you for advices will love it.
Just keep your tongue behind your teeth so you will not get banned for "could you use x spell please?", this sounds like a highly offensive satire type of comment of someones gameplay style, since its written word the context will be always missing and so you will get banned for it.

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That is not what gets you banned. Consistant harassment and name calling, making it harder for someone to play will. Bullies know what is meant they just don't like it so they want it removed. Most games have a code of conduct so them doing this shouldn't be a suprise or this upsetting.

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Originally Posted by Celestene

That is not what gets you banned. Consistant harassment and name calling, making it harder for someone to play will. Bullies know what is meant they just don't like it so they want it removed. Most games have a code of conduct so them doing this shouldn't be a suprise or this upsetting.

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That isn't what the new rules actually say, though.

So why don't they change it to say what they actually mean?

So many people commenting on rude players and trolls in the FFXIV community as a whole. In the short time I've actively played the game, I've run many PUG groups having no clue how to run the instance because it was my first time. I never had anyone be rude to me, leave, or tell me anything negative. Almost all the players I've run into took the time to tell me what I should do so I could actually learn. So not sure where all the rude/troll players are because I haven't seen any. Just now breaking into 70 content and so far no one has been rude to me.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

Another thing about this whole mess...




One person's playstyle can obstruct the gameplay of the rest of the group.
But we're not allowed to talk about their playstyle, but they're not allowed to obstruct others.

Which rule is considered more important since having both will clash with each other.

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Obstruction of play is an intentional act. Someone not being a good healer or a good tank isn't obstruction of play, it's them needing to learn a little more about how to play (maybe you can help them with that). Someone refusing to heal the tank because he's decided he doesn't heal Lalafels, on the other hand, is an intentional act and obstruction of play. A tank turning the monster during the tankbuster to wipe the party could be an intentional act, and obstruction of play... or it could be unintentional (maybe he was trying to dodge it and didn't realize he couldn't, or didn't realize it had cleave damage). But someone not being skilled enough for specific content is not intended to be, nor will it ever be, a prohibited activity. If you're that worried about someone else's skill level, form your own group instead of using Duty Finder.

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Originally Posted by Zanos

That isn't what the new rules actually say, though.

So why don't they change it to say what they actually mean?

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Needless to say, everyone will have their own view on a situation, so a GM will continue to provide an objective eye. - Their quote. They are not just going to ban you cause someone said so. The only ones worried about this are trolls and bullies.

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Originally Posted by Zetasin

So many people commenting on rude players and trolls in the FFXIV community as a whole. In the short time I've actively played the game, I've run many PUG groups having no clue how to run the instance because it was my first time. I never had anyone be rude to me, leave, or tell me anything negative. Almost all the players I've run into took the time to tell me what I should do so I could actually learn. So not sure where all the rude/troll players are because I haven't seen any. Just now breaking into 70 content and so far no one has been rude to me.

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If you tell the group you're new, nearly all of them will help you out. It's only a minority who think it's "not their job" to help other players, and who would rather take a 30 minute lockout for quitting than spend 5 minutes explaining boss mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Celestene

Needless to say, everyone will have their own view on a situation, so a GM will continue to provide an objective eye. - Their quote. They are not just going to ban you cause someone said so. The only ones worried about this are trolls and bullies.

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So the actual document is useless, and GMs will simply do whatever they want?

What a fantastic standard!

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Originally Posted by Zetasin

So many people commenting on rude players and trolls in the FFXIV community as a whole. In the short time I've actively played the game, I've run many PUG groups having no clue how to run the instance because it was my first time. I never had anyone be rude to me, leave, or tell me anything negative. Almost all the players I've run into took the time to tell me what I should do so I could actually learn. So not sure where all the rude/troll players are because I haven't seen any. Just now breaking into 70 content and so far no one has been rude to me.

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I’ve been playing this game for just over 3 years. I’ve only run into 3 people in that time I felt compelled to report. People are definitely Chicken Little-ing in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Celestene

That is not what gets you banned. Consistant harassment and name calling, making it harder for someone to play will. Bullies know what is meant they just don't like it so they want it removed. Most games have a code of conduct so them doing this shouldn't be a suprise or this upsetting.

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You cant guarantee that, and you know it. :p

There will be a tons of trolls who will make a screenshots of such and spam the inbox of gms everyday. The term in which "bad behaviour" is being accounted is super lose, it could be anything as long as you give a good reason for your report.
Anyone could make up a story and how offended he felt and how aggressive it was towards him.
Someone not liking you could do it on purpose.

We all know what comprises "nuisance and obstructive play" and is what triggered this update.
Killing BLU spell farming mobs.

There's really no need to delve any deeper into that part.
You're not gonna get banned for 'early pulling' because thats too subjective.

Anything that's too subjective will be no more bannable than it was before, the new rules are simply vague in order give the GM the wiggle room they need when one party is clearly in the wrong but there's nothing in the ToS to support banning them.

No one has anything to worry about unless they're a career asshat.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I think I'm just going to not talk to players who I can tell are easily offended for safety's sake.

Also, while it's great that they're taking steps to improve enforcement of social issues, when the heck are they going to step it up for the bots? There's more of them then I've ever seen before on Cactuar now, yet the same ones I've been reporting for over a year are still untouched...

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Bots might fall under ・Other obstruction of play
"This means all other behaviour that deliberately obstructs another person's game play by some means."

Since bots do obstruct game play for crafters and gatherers.

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Originally Posted by Keddera_StormMoon

Aren't the CSR's who make these calls drawn from the region they administrate? If so, what's the problem then?

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I am assuming you are referring to datacenter regions (ie North America Datacenter). You understand that North America region includes multiple countries with a variety of cultures and sub-cultures. The USA itself has various changes in cultures within the same region. Cities contain different cultures within their borders. You are from GA, USA. You know there is a major difference in culture between uptown Atlanta and Downtown Atlanta. You know there is a difference of cultures between Augusta and the small farm towns that surround it. So, who sets the guidelines for non-measurable social norms and "empathy" for the whole region? Some person in the metropolitan area of California, USA?

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Originally Posted by Keddera_StormMoon

All it takes is a little basic human empathy to avoid most of these pitfalls.

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Human empathy is taught. Guarantee that there are groups within the same region who have no empathy for one another, but can work together long enough to run through a dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Keddera_StormMoon

If a person lacks that, they have no business in any social setting as far as I'm concerned.

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You do you. I am the opposite. People who lack empathy towards X will eventually form their own private group. I don't have to ban then from any social setting, they will segregate themselves naturally.

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Originally Posted by Keddera_StormMoon

And for the record, I'm from Georgia US. We're so polite we hold the door for everybody. And we say "Bless yer heart" because we're too polite to call somebody stupid.

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Must be N.GA cause it's anything but that south of Atl. Also Cassie makes a valid point. People will percieve things in different context. Some of the rules are too broad and need to be more direct. All this does currently is lead to a sweeping generalization and we cannot simply assume SE has our best interests at heart.

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Originally Posted by Moonfish

I’ve been playing this game for just over 3 years. I’ve only run into 3 people in that time I felt compelled to report. People are definitely Chicken Little-ing in this thread.

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It's happened to me more often, but I've been playing since the game came out the first time. That said, it's gotten much better in recent years... I think the last time I heard anyone complain about a party member's lack of skill was in Heavensward. Especially in 2.0, though, it was a fairly regular occurrence. In fact, it was bad from both ends... I left Ixion because between the language barrier and the cultural differences, I found that not even constructive attempts at helping someone learn the game could get them past the most basic dungeons (lots of problems with tanks not using taunt abilities, or just spamming the same ability over and over, and lots of problems with healers not healing and just trying to DPS their way through the dungeon. Also lots of problems with people telling me it was a Japanese server, so I *had* to speak Japanese, even though I was using the Auto-translate function to the best of my ability, and even tried using Google Translate a few times with no success).

I think the problems people have with the policy are warranted. Even if the worst case scenarios don't happen often, they don't have to happen often for them to have a significant effect with a player base of over 14 million people. But I think that this policy isn't likely to change until those worst case scenarios start happening because, as you said, right now it seems like much ado over nothing.

Seems like posts expressing doubts about the intergrity of GMs are being purged as we speak. When your new rules of conduct makes players at the mercy of the subjective interpretation of GMs, discussing GMs as an entity falls into the topic of this conversation.

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Originally Posted by Moonfish

I’ve been playing this game for just over 3 years. I’ve only run into 3 people in that time I felt compelled to report. People are definitely Chicken Little-ing in this thread.

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I'd ask you to look at the customer service desk of your local retailer on a saturday afternoon and acknowledge that maybe some people are more prone to complaint and even false complaint than you are.

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Originally Posted by RognarB

Seems like posts expressing doubts about the intergrity of GMs are being purged as we speak. When your new rules of conduct makes players at the mercy of the subjective interpretation of GMs, discussing GMs as an entity falls into the topic of this conversation.

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One might even say that such purging represents an "Expression that unilaterally rejects another person's opinion".

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Originally Posted by CatfishCassie

One might even say that such purging represents an "Expression that unilaterally rejects another person's opinion".

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I'm going to find out whatever customer service outlet there is for SE and mail them a complaint about these new policies and the behavior of their staff and I invite whoever is feeling the same way I do to act the same.
Forum complaining does not amount to anything, customer action does.

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Originally Posted by Senliten

Must be N.GA cause it's anything but that south of Atl. Also Cassie makes a valid point. People will percieve things in different context. Some of the rules are too broad and need to be more direct. All this does currently is lead to a sweeping generalization and we cannot simply assume SE has our best interests at heart.

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Some of them are definitely too vague...

The main ones I'd say

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・Disclosing or indicating personal information such as contact details with the aim of meeting up in the real world

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You're not allowed to discuss meeting with other players?

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・Expressions that significantly lack consideration for another person

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Non-personal statements?

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・Other expressions that are offensive to another person

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You can claim literally anything as offensive.

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・Intentional leaving or disconnection

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I want someone to try to definitively prove a lack of intent on an internet outage

Wonder, if me patting a smaller miquote on my femroe could be accounted as a bannable offense if they decide to report it.

hmmmm

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These are prohibited in all places where expressions can be made, including chat (including Quick Chat and Emote), markers,

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I absolutely agree that a lot of this is (possibly too) vague, even if I think I can understand the intent - and I know intent does not always equal reality. I don't know how SE is going to handle this and I'm wary of misuse, too.

I'm just going to say, though, that most of the "well I can't ever talk to anybody ever again because I'm just going to get banned" folks sound like the kind of folks I wouldn't want to talk to anyway - if you automatically assume that people are going to find you offensive, then you're probably right. So, honestly? No tears lost there, for me.

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Originally Posted by Rivers23

I'm not giving advice, I'm pointing out a fact - you don't know how to play your job. I'm not out to coach either. If DF isn't for my convenience, it isn't for theirs either. Why do I have to sit in a dungeon for 40 minutes or bite a 30min penalty because someone is too lazy to read tooltips? And forming a PF is far from being immune from those type of players joining. And I constantly fail to see why do these players have the right to be entitled so much that no one can even point out objective facts about their gameplay. Would you be offended if your hair was covered in mud and I told you 'go wash your hair, it's dirty' because it's an unwanted opinion?

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Ok, what makes you feel like you're entitled to point out "facts" to other players? However you want to look at it, it is still unsolicited. It's like you said, the game provides tooltips, and it is NOT your obligation to reiterate those tips to other players. It is the player's responsibility to read, understand, and inquire about those tooltips if they are unclear. You don't have to sit in a dungeon for 40 minutes. Leave. You don't have to incur the 30 minute penalty either. Stay. By me saying DF is not for your convenience, I am talking about you as an individual. It is a convenience to everyone to be able to use DF to obtain clears, and it is a privilege that is abused by players with poor etiquette.

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Why don't you tell those players to go through 'appropriate program's to actually learn to play before joining the DF parties?

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Leveling from 1-70 is the program. But no one takes into account how quickly we can get to max level, and that we can do it without entering a single grouped instance. But eventually, MSQ gating will prevent their progression and they have to queue into PvE content much to their chagrin. Experience points and job levels in the game is not indicative of a player's skill by any means.

I advise for all players to be courteous to each other, and knowing and understanding how to play your job prior to queuing for an instance is definitely a big way to show courtesy to your fellow players. Trust me, I am not exempting the kind of players who want to get carried. But there isn't anything you can do about them. Your course of action can only pertain to you, and it is what I advise if you wish to stay off of the radar.

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I don't even need a third party tool to tell me people are bad because Suzaku dies to enrage at 20% health in a farm party. I see what people are doing and what skills they're using anyway. And telling them they should get better is only offensive to people who consider this game to be their personal safe space and who think they have the right to waste other people's time due to their own laziness. And it would be a dangerous precedent to consider 'all opinion that is unwanted' as offensive and punishable, that's just a sick environment. If you want to learn, join learning parties, don't join farm and clear parties when you don't have the skill or knowledge of mechanics to clear it. And anyone telling me that when I have no right to call out those people is just tragicomically ridiculous.

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You've just explained why we don't even need parsers. If the group wipes to enrage or other DPS check, the groups overall DPS is short, and that is ALL we need to know. Sure you are within your right to tell players to get better, and they are within their right to tell you to bugger off. The moment you start spouting off numbers to spotlight the lowest DPS in the group though, you are in violation and if reported, you can face disciplinary action.

Premades are meant to reduce these occurrences, not eliminate them, and you can set the standards for your group. In these cases a GM is going to be more sympathetic to your complaints because another player joined your PF which has guidelines set by you and they did not follow through. A perfect example of this is players who do set up farm parties with an add-on that says, "plan on staying for multiple runs", and if they bail the moment they win the loot, they will be in violation and you can report them. That is what this system is meant to do, not get players banned because, "you don't pay my sub."

I'm sure you'll argue that lazy players can make premades as well, and this for all intent and purposes is entirely true. However, their lazy though remember? That doesn't make it ok, but it does mean that they are willing to deal with the randomness of DF, and usually only become hostile when the run becomes even more disruptive by a stranger critiquing their gameplay.

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

I absolutely agree that a lot of this is (possibly too) vague, even if I think I can understand the intent - and I know intent does not always equal reality. I don't know how SE is going to handle this and I'm wary of misuse, too.

I'm just going to say, though, that most of the "well I can't ever talk to anybody ever again because I'm just going to get banned" folks sound like the kind of folks I wouldn't want to talk to anyway - if you automatically assume that people are going to find you offensive, then you're probably right. So, honestly? No tears lost there, for me.

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Some of us have had experiences with the " constantly offended " types on social media, who use their proposed victimhood as a cudgel to punish people they disagree with.
There are those people out there for which finding offense with something is their goal. You do not have to articulate a response in debate anymore, merely find a reason to be offended and win.

At the end of the day, these rules are worrisome to me.

Pretty much, theyre overly broad and ambiguous and allow for a greater realm of control the GMs can step into. In a positive light, that means correcting actual instances of problems in the game (Anecdotal point: Did a raid in Orbonne where one of hte 8 man groups purposefully kept wiping to ThunderGod in add phase to push the encounter past the weekly reset. They ended up screwing 16 other players just for their own gain. And it was obvious they were wiping purposefully (standing in AoEs and making no effort to move, not attacking their mob, refusing to communicate or ask questions of the other groups, not responding to any feedback when players were offering tips and help, moving mob away from other players when they tried to assist.) That kind of activity needs to obviously be addressed.

However, the darkside is that discretion is left up to GMs on how somethign is held, and considering Ive seen these kind of overly broad policies be implemented on other platforms and games, I do believe that we'll start seeing people getting banned over things the GMs disagree with on a personal level (ideological differences rather than anything within the realm of a game). We'll have to see. Im hoping for the best here, that these new rules will be used to take care of things that are actual issues, but Im not going to hold my breath about that.

As per new implementation of prohibited activities this post is offensive and limits my ability as a customer and player to enjoy the game.

Please revert the changes and go back to the drawing board. Western politics and censorship have no place in this game.

It wasn't perfect before but it did not need such heavy handed revision to those policies.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

We all know what comprises "nuisance and obstructive play" and is what triggered this update.
Killing BLU spell farming mobs.

There's really no need to delve any deeper into that part.
You're not gonna get banned for 'early pulling' because thats too subjective.

Anything that's too subjective will be no more bannable than it was before, the new rules are simply vague in order give the GM the wiggle room they need when one party is clearly in the wrong but there's nothing in the ToS to support banning them.

No one has anything to worry about unless they're a career asshat.

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And that's just the latest case of players doing similar stuff that's obviously disrupting everyone else's game, and there being no proper rules in place to call them out on it.

As I said earlier, after all this time -and how things haven't improved no matter what the devs have tried, because some people always find a way to bend the ToS/mechanics- we deserve these rules, and they need to be this "vague" in order to prevent people from circumventing them due to A or B. Yes, these annoying people might be a minority, but the GMs need to have these rules in the ToS in order to be able to punish them with some legal ground covering their backs. If, as a lot of you say, you are not doing something wrong, if you aren't being a dick to your fellow players, you have nothing to fear here.

No company in their right mind would waste more money to moderate a game just to start being trigger happy and ban paying customers that did nothing, or over the most stupid reasons, thus losing even more money. SE is all about getting more money, and you should know that by now (cash shop, etc., you know the story). This is not a government with a hidden agenda or whatever trying to kill freedom of speech and control people, as some seem to imply with their comments (lol). This is a privately owned company, so try to think a bit before letting conspiracies cloud your minds. If they're investing money on this it's because their internal data is showing them that there's an issue with how part of the community is behaving that is making them lose -or not win as much- money as they want.

I really don't know why some people have gotten this alarmed over this before thinking about it logically from SE's point of view. Can we please wait and see why they're adding these new rules to their "home", before coming to some internet forums screaming "freedom!"?

I find it a bit hard to take seriously the idea some people are floating that SE is chomping at the bit to ban paying customers for innocuous reasons. They don't permaban people who cheat or buy gil so there's absolutely no way they're going to ban anyone for minor stuff, you have to work incredibly hard to get permabanned in this game.