4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

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Originally Posted by Mug

For me, I'll always take quality over quantity, so if the new duties ooze of developer creativity and are engaging and fun and not just the same old formula, I won't complain. Return to Ivalice has so much potential, so I hope they try to step out of the box and are not afraid to experiment with it. I saw a swimming scene in the trailer, which gives me a small glimmer of hope.

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Swimming is not innovative or exciting 'content'. I'd say it's probably the largest waste of development for any game I've seen in a while. It has no function. Except to 'look pretty'...but with yet another loading zone. By the second or third run I guarantee everyone will hit the 'Ugh, here's the slow Swimming part of the dungeon'

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Originally Posted by Lufir

Too many little things that help make the bullet points like yours a little bit longer. People want content that is going to last long enough through the next patch cycle. This is where Eureka/relic could have helped tremendously as it is usually a grind. So I do understand people's frustration. The little things like Bard's perform, squads, and UI improvements should of taken a back seat or slowly worked on after actual core content like Eureka or the 2nd Deep Dungeon.

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This would have done it, even if the content is the same at this point. Eureka has been my one thing I've been basically hoping to hear about, and all they keep doing is pushing it back. This content is going to fall out for 4.1 because they're focusing on things that could be other short extensions to add for a 24-48hr period outside the major patches related content to allow going from one patch to the next to last long enough.

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Originally Posted by Pence

Swimming is not innovative or exciting 'content'. I'd say it's probably the largest waste of development for any game I've seen in a while. It has no function. Except to 'look pretty'...but with yet another loading zone. By the second or third run I guarantee everyone will hit the 'Ugh, here's the slow Swimming part of the dungeon'

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If swimming is considered compelling new exciting and innovative content that players in this community feel are better than actual content, then this games community is actually more an issue than I thought it was.

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Originally Posted by Elkanah

You know how much win trading and botting is making pvp happen? Do you know how many different forums are out there right now with issues of people win trading and cheating, and yet since BEFORE the feast, the pvp content has had that same consistent issue that squeenix hasn't addressed? Know how fast that's going to die out? If you give content, and aren't bothering to listening to the feedback of the community, you're just feeding the flame, and not helping to cast out the fire.

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I won't defend that part. Hands down, cheating is the thing I hate the most about the game. People botting, position hacking, win trading and nothing being done to stop it can definitely ruin all the fun, undermine all the work that was done. So personally I think the dev team do a good job overall with content creation, but the moderating / policing side is lacking badly.

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Originally Posted by Elkanah

You know how much win trading and botting is making pvp happen? Do you know how many different forums are out there right now with issues of people win trading and cheating, and yet since BEFORE the feast, the pvp content has had that same consistent issue that squeenix hasn't addressed? Know how fast that's going to die out? If you give content, and aren't bothering to listening to the feedback of the community, you're just feeding the flame, and not helping to cast out the fire.

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Oh god, I didn't know how bad botting was in Frontlines until a month ago. I queued with friend later at night when we got put into a 24 man as Flames. We were the only 2 people not botting on our team. There were about 3/8 people on Maelstrom who were legit playing. The whole Adders team was botting in the middle. Crazy.

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Originally Posted by Lufir

Oh god, I didn't know how bad botting was in Frontlines until a month ago. I queued with friend later at night when we got put into a 24 man as Flames. We were the only 2 people not botting on our team. There were about 3/8 people on Maelstrom who were legit playing. The whole Adders team was botting in the middle. Crazy.

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It's incredibly sad and very discouraging that PVP isn't enjoyable anymore. Even the top 100 for the Feast are having issues due to the problems with the win trading and dropping. It's been said multiple times about the issue, and yet squeenix does nothing. This has been a problem before the release of the feast, and now it's even more noticeable than it was before. It's been deterring people from wanting to enjoy PVP or do it much.

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Originally Posted by Remedi

Ye but sticking to a game that you clearly don't like anymore and just complaining on the forum while dissing any content that you don't like as useless it's not makiing you any good

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As someone who has played from 1.0 and being a loyal FFXIV player at it's worst of history to ARR at its best, and someone who does the content in this game, I WANT to find things to do to STAY and subbed. I love the people I've met in this game. I love the game as a whole. I actually care about the quality of this game enough that I give my money to Squeenix every fricken month, even if it's not a time I play or enjoy playing. If I didn't care, I wouldn't be here. Eureka will be the turning point for many folks. Maybe just me, but if Eureka isn't something new and innovating that makes me want to stay, I'll cancel my sub that day, and you'll get your wish, as many others will.

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Originally Posted by Elkanah

Wouldn't have even bothered to say anything had they at LEAST shown us Eureka, even with the push back to advise us what we can expect. Yes, I'm aware that some of that content or that there had been interviews that they will be deciding to stay with a consistent formula. But, as I've learned from world of warcraft forums from someone: "basically every MMO is about redoing the same content over and over again. Liking that or not is personal taste". But hey, I guess having many people quit the game, not keeping people and bringing in new people and those people becoming veterans to run into the same issue and also quitting, repeating the cycle must be okay for you.

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Ye but sticking to a game that you clearly don't like anymore and just complaining on the forum while dissing any content that you don't like as useless it's not makiing you any good

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Originally Posted by Elkanah

If swimming is considered compelling new exciting and innovative content that players in this community feel are better than actual content, then this games community is actually more an issue than I thought it was.

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It's more the Dev team adding it thinking it was actually adding something to the game that we wanted and would be excited about. But feels disgustingly forced, boring and like a chore.

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Originally Posted by Pence

Swimming is not innovative or exciting 'content'. I'd say it's probably the largest waste of development for any game I've seen in a while. It has no function. Except to 'look pretty'...but with yet another loading zone. By the second or third run I guarantee everyone will hit the 'Ugh, here's the slow Swimming part of the dungeon'

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No, I agree. Swimming without any sort of purpose other than to get from A to B is definitely not exciting content, but it gives me hope that they might have done something different with the raid. I'm most likely reading too much in to it, but I'm struggling to get excited for the patch, so I'm trying to hold on to any kind of hope that they've shaken things up a little =/

If you don't like to just play the game, no ammount of content will help you anyway.

Someone in this thread said: "mh, patchday will be log in, buy a house, do story, run new dungeon +24, do shinryu with static and done

1 day of content \o/"

Soooo.. 3 dungeons, 2x 24 man, 3 ex trials and 50 MSQ will last you 3 days then.

Doesn't sound that reasonable to invest three times the money in a patch just to keep the quickly bored people 1-2 days longer out of the forums.

To be honest I think the issue stems in the game being too friendly to those who are all about instant gratification. New content gets dated and made irrelevant within months because they don't want players who do take a break to feel like they are behind. But then these returning players get to the end too fast and will find themselves leaving until the next patch again.

I'm not unhappy with this patch, but I do think people are honestly missing the underlying problem. It doesn't matter how many new dungeons they add because dungeons as they are now are only there for tomes and glamour, and you are devoid of any reason to run them outside of roulettes for the most part. Extreme trials are victim to this as well, as they are made obsolete pretty quickly as the expansion progresses. Instead of designing content that is meant to last four months, maybe they should better allocate their resources and make content that can be timeless.

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Originally Posted by Remedi

Ye but sticking to a game that you clearly don't like anymore and just complaining on the forum while dissing any content that you don't like as useless it's not makiing you any good

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This.

FFXIV isn't designed to keep people entertained 24/7 and it's never going to be able to do that. At the same time, it also isn't going to be able to appease everybody and not every bit of content is going to be custom tailored to any given individual's personal tastes.

I adore the inclusion of swimming as it makes the game world feel more immersive and it's a great addition for role-players. It also sets the stage for more engaging underwater content in the future.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I adore the inclusion of swimming as it makes the game world feel more immersive and it's a great addition for role-players. It also sets the stage for more engaging underwater content in the future.

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The addition of underwater swimming is actually a good parallel to most of the new content in FFXIV. Neat and flashy feature added with stormblood, during the MSQ I was like "woah!" Exploring the depths of different cities was fun.

Then you beat the MSQ and they never give you a reason to go back underwater ever again.

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Originally Posted by Coatl

The addition of underwater swimming is actually a good parallel to most of the new content in FFXIV. Neat and flashy feature added with stormblood, during the MSQ I was like "woah!" Exploring the depths of different cities was fun.

Then you beat the MSQ and they never give you a reason to go back underwater ever again.

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I feel pretty much the same about swimming, although I realised early it would be pretty much this, however I hope that them adding swimmable areas to the housing district will mean that they will update the old world

I also agree that the underlining problem is that they appeased the instant gratification masses too much

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Originally Posted by Theodric

FFXIV isn't designed to keep people entertained 24/7 and it's never going to be able to do that.

I adore the inclusion of swimming as it makes the game world feel more immersive and it's a great addition for role-players. It also sets the stage for more engaging underwater content in the future.

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It makes the game more immersive? Except that you can't swim certain areas. You just RP that there is sharks? And please elaborate how underwater will become more engaging. There's never going to be underwater combat (Which is the backbone of any game).

Also, ATM XIV keeps people entertained 3/168 hours per week if you're up-to-date with content. It'll go up for 4-5 weeks then RIP again until 4.2.

Raiders WANT to play the game, we love it. We just hate that it's so empty for our skill level.

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Originally Posted by Pence

It makes the game more immersive? Except that you can't swim certain areas. You just RP that there is sharks? And please elaborate how underwater will become more engaging. There's never going to be underwater combat (Which is the backbone of any game).

Also, ATM XIV keeps people entertained 3/168 hours per week if you're up-to-date with content. It'll go up for 4-5 weeks then RIP again until 4.2.

Raiders WANT to play the game, we love it. We just hate that it's so empty for our skill level.

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Off topic, but speaking of sharks, the first time I run into one at ruby sea I wish that if you got too close they will bite you and drag you down to the bottom of sea, killing you in the process. Kinda like crocs in MGS3. If only...

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Originally Posted by Coatl

Instead of designing content that is meant to last four months, maybe they should better allocate their resources and make content that can be timeless.

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PotD is probably the biggest success for renewable content on the PvE side. Still getting quick matched-party queues for it now. Some of those design elements could be extended to other content. Standard dungeons aren't built to last because it's the same groups of enemies in the same order every time and rewards are meagre.

For the next deep dungeon, I'd like to see them build on the things that worked in PotD and increase the fun with new mechanics.
I'm just going to spitball some ideas, might not be good but maybe somebody can think of better ones.

> Mini-bosses on middle floors that survive long enough for you to do a proper attack rotation
> Chance of roaming big enemy to dodge like wanderer's palace
> Diversify objectives like sometimes you unlock exit by finding hidden key; defeating enemies optional
> Variation in size and shape of rooms
> Change up the types of hazards, don't necessarily need to repeat things like frog status and mimics
> New floor enchantments like one that makes your movement speed really fast
> Floors that have mounts you can ride which do AOE attacks to mow through big waves of enemies
> Floors where party members do not all start at the same position

And pvp is inherently long lasting, every match is different. Has its own problems but they are trying.

-pvp
the vendor sells minions and musical stuff, but hey, the moba is at least something new.

-Chocobo racing
The guy who worked on the racing got moved to EX trials, so unless someone replaces him, tough luck.

-Triad
You can also just fight the NPC's to raise your rank. just saying.

-PotD
That will prob be 4.3 to be honest. and it wont be an update, it will be a new deep dungeon.

-Treasure Maps
The gambling part we are getting for the sunken canals is good, and as much as you hate it, it's good gil.

-Zhloe
It was made to help people gear up to do collectibles without shilling out gil.

-Khloe
RNG is RNG.

And to end it off, they make these other kinds of content to give something to do rather than just run dungeons over and over or do the raids over and over, it's something different to do, and it's better to try to find something else that works than do nothing.

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Originally Posted by Pence

It makes the game more immersive? Except that you can't swim certain areas. You just RP that there is sharks? And please elaborate how underwater will become more engaging. There's never going to be underwater combat (Which is the backbone of any game).

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I've yet to see an MMO get underwater combat to be decent enough to be a backbone.

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Originally Posted by blindfoldedkaos

I've yet to see an MMO get underwater combat to be decent enough to be a backbone.

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Combat is the backbone...sorry if I worded it wrong

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Originally Posted by Pence

Combat is the backbone...sorry if I worded it wrong

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you got me there, if you meant underwater combat and then went with GW as an example, i would of flipped a table. xD

Oh and for those wondering about what the unending coil weapons are gonna be like let me paint a picture for you, from the live letter.

It's final coil look alikes, with a golden glow.
it's stats and ilevel are identical to a genji weapon with a difference.
it's got 3 materia slots.

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Originally Posted by blindfoldedkaos

Oh and for those wondering about what the unending coil weapons are gonna be like let me paint a picture for you, from the live letter.

It's final coil look alikes, with a golden glow.
it's stats and ilevel are identical to a genji weapon with a difference.
it's got 3 materia slots.

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We have no idea if the stats are the same as Genji. Some people hope they are, some people hope they are not.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Just because you don't enjoy it doesn't mean that it is invalid. PVP is new PVP if it is mechanically different (which RW very much is), and FFXIV is a theme park MMO intended to give something for everyone.

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I am not saying that they only should introduce things I will like but that they said that they will have one less dungeon to create new content. Having another PVP mode is imo not new. Its an already existing content with new "paint". If they truly just meant that we will get old content in new ways (which we did before with all dungeons still there) for the drop of regular content then I would surely be a bit sad because we would just get less content overall.

What would make me playing the game more (and this is only my opinion and no facts or things like that..):

- Instanced housing with daily quests: This way everyone could get a house and depending on their limit you could even buy a house in each zone. People could start small and if they want to they could do quests (or just simply spent lots of gil) to increase the size till everyone has mansions. Anyone that is interested in this part of the game would have a huge playground and a gil sink on top of that. You could have daily or unlimited quests that will give you points if you do them and which you can use to buy some housing stuff and if you dont have money but time you could even buy the increase for the house through that. Everyone being able to have a house would also solve the problem of being forced to sub and log in nearly monthly so people with houses could just take more breaks..and the market for housing items would be way more healthier. This change is also imo needed for the future because with the recent system barely anyone has a house.

-Glamour log/catalog: Simply have a catalog where every single item is shown and where to get them. There is a bit of truth behind the sentence "glamour is the true endgame" and I am quite sure that there would be enough people that would try to complete their glamour book. (And it would free up space) With that you would make lots of old content important again and at least for me this would give me the motivation to run the old stuff again and again since glamour is one big part for me.

-Make more content like the palace which you can try solo or with a group. PotD would be my favorite content right now in the game if I did not get a DC nearly every time I try to solo it. x) Have some more puzzles in it (and please no fates) and more variety between the floors and I am quite sure it would be a long time activity.

In the end this patch would have been already so much more lively if they just added Eureka to it because even if the relic quest is often tedious you will also have stuff to do which you can still do at your own pace and have a nice weapon on top of that.

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Originally Posted by Pence

We have no idea if the stats are the same as Genji. Some people hope they are, some people hope they are not.

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"The new weapon’s item level and sub attributes will be the same as the Genji weapons and contain three materia slots."

Taken directly from the official translation of the live letter. found here.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-Thread/page2

question where did these patch note come for reddits LL fellow. seem to me this fellow isn't away relyable. yes I did start thread ask wether we trust reddits. we see why, how much information does this fellow have that is true how relyable has he been. see to me if some stranger fellow on reddits tell you what to except are they to believed or not. see stranger that people haven't seen the SE patch and they believe some weirdo on reddits. See to me reason not trust said fellow. this fellow could anyone he could Chris Metzin or Yoshi P or the janitor at SE you don't know what the devs put out on this forum what patch notes say.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Having another PVP mode is imo not new. Its an already existing content with new "paint".

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It is super new. If this is not different enough then by that token Omega Savage and kojin beast tribe quests are the same as each other because they are both PvE, just different paint.

Features 2 teams of 24, each split into 6 light parties. Objective is to destroy the opposing team's core, but it starts out shielded. Can make it vulnerable by destroying towers.

There are multiple machina to pilot with different speeds and capabilities. One is good at KOing players, one is good at destroying towers, and one is super powerful and stopping it at all cost should be the focus of the opposing team if it comes to that.

There are also npc mammets fighting for each side and players can try to defend them to keep that edge in battle.

It's nothing like the 3-team points-based frontlines battles. Different team sizes, different objectives, mounts gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Neophyte

If you don't like to just play the game, no ammount of content will help you anyway.

Someone in this thread said: "mh, patchday will be log in, buy a house, do story, run new dungeon +24, do shinryu with static and done

1 day of content \o/"

Soooo.. 3 dungeons, 2x 24 man, 3 ex trials and 50 MSQ will last you 3 days then.

Doesn't sound that reasonable to invest three times the money in a patch just to keep the quickly bored people 1-2 days longer out of the forums.

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They are being purposely hyperbolic. Tripling the content as you purposed would better pace people's activities. Yes, I can have everything done in a day or two, but it retains greater longevity because I have additional options. Three dungeons means Expert Roulette has six potential options, three 24-mans keeps each fresh for longer. Now I certainly don't anticipate them ever being able to afford the immense cost and development time for such a task. It does, however, make things feel... emptier. I'm still taking the "wait and see" approach with Eureka and PotD 2.0. If neither prove interesting...

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Originally Posted by Theodric

This.

FFXIV isn't designed to keep people entertained 24/7 and it's never going to be able to do that. At the same time, it also isn't going to be able to appease everybody and not every bit of content is going to be custom tailored to any given individual's personal tastes.

I adore the inclusion of swimming as it makes the game world feel more immersive and it's a great addition for role-players. It also sets the stage for more engaging underwater content in the future.

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The issue becomes as FFXIV ages, new players replacing veterans will decline. Many players posting do not even take umbrage with occasional lulls, but the current patch offers very little long term content. There's a stark difference between demanding a constant flow of new content and expecting things to last throughout a patch cycle. Right now, the devs are clinging to Ultimate, Ivalice and PvP to hold player attention for fourteen additional weeks. Ultimate appeals to a small portion of the playerbase while PvP has been notoriously underpopulated-- made only worse by piss poor moderation and adjustments that have rendered it a bot riddled mess. On the subject of swimming, people aren't upset with its inclusion, but the fact nothing has been done with it. They sold swimming as a feature and it's little more than aesthetic. I like it for the same reasons you do, however I had hoped they might expand on it further. And no, that does not mean Blitzball.

Put another way, a friend of mine has repeated groaned they've spent so much time on Squadron AI and Perform. Why couldn't those be used for actual content? I can't exactly blame her either, especially seeing just how complex the Squadron stuff looks. Personally, I don't see running around with three bots as "new" and "innovative," even if it does have potential.

a expansion is content patch and the patch it cycle through ffxiv is meant be enjoy over long period with it story good thing come to those that wait

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

They sold swimming as a feature and it's little more than aesthetic. I like it for the same reasons you do, however I had hoped they might expand on it further. And no, that does not mean Blitzball.

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To be fair they didn't do much more than the addition of flying, but that aside if they added more meaning to those zones you can enter only by swimming.....
ATM swimming is just an upgrade to fishing if you think about it, which might be ineteresting to some ppl I guess

why are people offtracking on swimming? is simple we all wanted to go on those puddle of water we see worund the game pleayers like to swim is not a fuction and will never be something game breaking mechanincs just like flying swiming is for people who like it, we could take flying and swimming out of the game and the game will probably even feel bigger and alive but ultimately it wont change a thing. Just like any of you if you got sold by flying back in 3.0 there was people sold by swimming. that's it.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

The issue becomes as FFXIV ages, new players replacing veterans will decline. On the subject of swimming, people aren't upset with its inclusion, but the fact nothing has been done with it. They sold swimming as a feature and it's little more than aesthetic. I like it for the same reasons you do, however I had hoped they might expand on it further. And no, that does not mean Blitzball.

Put another way, a friend of mine has repeated groaned they've spent so much time on Squadron AI and Perform. Why couldn't those be used for actual content? I can't exactly blame her either, especially seeing just how complex the Squadron stuff looks. Personally, I don't see running around with three bots as "new" and "innovative," even if it does have potential.

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New players decline in any mmo with each passing day.

I imagine the swimming thing will be iterative just as most other non msq or raid stuff is. Changes and additions in upcoming patches. Expanding on swimming in the world and instances would add more replayability over Blitzball, which is why I would not want to Blitzball take priority over the former.

Perform will be a fun little venture for some as a break from the treadmill. I would have preferred Perform to be included in a redesign of Bard, playing instruments to wreck havoc, which would open up the path for a pure Ranger job.

Squadrons should be usable in all dungeons pre Stormblood to facilitate or enable more players to advance to endgame without excessive timegates in queues or copious amounts of stress when trying to play a role you are not comfortable with. It makes sense to make it somewhat more inviting to newer players and maybe in that process they fall in love with a certain job and hone their skill. Fellow NPCS in rpgs are not new or innovative, but that doesn't mean they are not appreciated or that they could not work somewhat differently here in context.

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

But if the fight is even as hard as A8S then most of these people are not going to be able to get close to clearing

A8S clear rate at 3.3 was still at like 1%

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You have to consider during Midas Savage we didn't have cooldown resets, nor the raise sickness changes we have now in 4.0. Progression is at a much faster pace now because of these things. Whereas every wipe in A8S meant having to wait for Hallowed/Living Dead to be ready each pull. So if a good group took most of the tier to clear, I don't hold it against them. So many one-shot mechanics, even today with echo and gear-overload you still need to know the fight the same way it was when relevant. Height and enumeration is 100k damage, you still have to do Gavel or you all wipe too (or be seriously good as a raid to kill Winged Justice before Judgment cast).

I'll also admit A8S was the most tiring capstone fight in Alexander, and even the game thinks so. You and your party look so long-winded when you kill Winged Justice for the first-time, compared to how happy everyone looks after first killing normal A8.

Well unlike another shooty online game I play, at least they're trying... it's tough to create content that everyone will like. Palace of the Dead and Aquapolis have been the most successful, Chocobo Racing and Triple Triad are also good time wasters if you're farming MGP.

Diadem... well, you'd think after the feed back from the first Diadem/Yokai Watch they'd listen. People were asking for a Notorious Monster pop system, or hell do something like Abyssea where aside from Savage raid you could get some good endgame armor from there, it had the potential but I don't get why they did it the way they did. I have a hunch Eureka would of been Diadem 3.0, and after the feedback from 2.0 the dev team had to of taken it back to the drawing board. Now, I know it's not fair to compare this game to FFXI but XI we had Sky and Sea, TWO very good options for endgame loot but they want to keep Savage at the very cutting edge. Variety is the spice of life, can't put all your best gear in one attraction. Give people options, people will still do savage content because min maxing will always be a thing. The kind of gamers who will complain that the "peasants" have other options besides savage raids are not worth listening to since they are the minority.

If they want to create more new content without burning up time and money creating new areas, they should consider more PotD style systems like Savage mode dungeons (Aurum Vale - Savage *because I'm evil like that) or Dynamis-Ul'Dah (fighting voidsent in the city states in an alternate Eorzea conjured by Diabolos or something). Also, increase the weekly tome cap a bit. 450 is too small, people have multiple jobs they want to gear to the fullest, now that we have new jobs it would take several patches to gear a fraction of them fully.

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

There isn't less stuff than ever, some is just deliberately splintered off to the minor patches for a more even spread but overall it's at least as much as we've always been getting....

4.1 through 4.15 is...
> Alliance raid
> Light-Party Dungeon
> Main Scenario quests
> New PvP mode and map
> New housing area and updates
> First ever Ultimate raid
> Extreme trial
> Squadron dungeon content
> Hildibrand sidequests
> Beast Tribe quests
> Perform music feature
> Custom Delivery content
> Deeper treasure map dungeon with new mechanics
> Many major UI improvements
> Cross-world friend list, tells
> Raid roulette + adjustments to Labyrinth
> and the usual job fixes, new mounts, etc

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Alliance raid - yeah it's new and I'm looking forward to it, but it won't last the patch cycle.
Light pt dungeon - yes it's new, and like other dungeons, will become tedious
MSQ - Standard, will last a week conservatively, don't know how many we are getting
New pvp - I'll give that to you. New map, objectives, and teams. Will last until 5.0
New housing area and updates - The housing area is already there, they are unlocking plots so it wasn't designed or implemented in 4.1. The updates are QoL and not content. Only a fraction of the population will be able to enjoy this.
Ultimate raid - stated by the devs that it is not content for everyone
New Extreme - changed some mechanics and made it harder, recycled old content
Squadron Dungeon - talked about since 2.0, still running dungeons we have run 100 times, if the dungeons were new and unique to squads I'd give it to you. It's old content with a new mechanic.
Hildabrand - only an intro so 2-4 fetch quests? 30 - 45 min?
Beast tribe - standard, 45 min to complete each day
Music feature - only for bard, if they gave everyone an orch. iPod to do the same then you might of had something. You already know ppl are going to ask for it. 5.0 new feature?
Custom delivery - exactly the same as now
Deeper treasure map - so my one map has a chance to become 2? Saves me from buying one I guess
The rest - UI and QoL improvements, not content. Yes even the 24 man raid finder. It's not new, we are still doing old content, it's just easier to access.

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Originally Posted by MyaValentine

why are people offtracking on swimming?

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It's because of the work that went into swimming and it's payoff. Zones took more time to produce because it was now Land-air-Sea instead of just Land-air however when you look at Sea what did it add?

All Sea added was "content" for DOL with having underwater nodes, past that Underwater content doesn't do anything else. SE should be trying to spend less time creating things for the sake of vanity cough Battle Replay cough and focus more on content people can actually play. Not content that is just a time sink as you go ok let me change my wardrobe then get a bunch of friends to fight Titan just so I can go on NIN and get a Battle Replay of me using Assassinate just as he uses Table Flip so it looks like I dodged it ina wicked cool way.

That's the current path SE is taking with some of it's content implementation, which is a fun novelty, but it doesn't add any challenge to the game.

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Originally Posted by Gravton

Deeper treasure map - so my one map has a chance to become 2? Saves me from buying one I guess.

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The second map leads to a new kind of treasure dungeon. Has some kind of gamble feature where you can risk your earned rewards for a chance at bigger loot. The fights will be different and new rewards. I think this kind of content is pretty cool if given a chance. Is not the same every time, has random elements and chance of high reward. My world Ragnarok is terrible for maps, it's a pain trying to convince anyone to do them. So there's a big problem trying to recruit for content that is not cross-world and doesn't have auto DF matchmaking, which is a shame because I think treasure dungeons are a solid filler which are fun to run sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

The second map leads to a new kind of treasure dungeon. Has some kind of gamble feature where you can risk your earned rewards for a chance at bigger loot. The fights will be different and new rewards. I think this kind of content is pretty cool if given a chance. Is not the same every time, has random elements and chance of high reward. My world Ragnarok is terrible for maps, it's a pain trying to convince anyone to do them. So there's a big problem trying to recruit for content that is not cross-world and doesn't have auto DF matchmaking, which is a shame because I think treasure dungeons are a solid filler which are fun to run sometimes.

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Yes but they said we are trading a dungeon for "new" content. This was their words. Finding a map in a dungeon is just an extension from the unhidden maps in 2.0. This isn't new. We are getting the same stuff we were already getting in patch cycles plus new ways to access content we have done before, then claiming its "new enough" to justify the loss of the dungeon we would have got. Adding an additional door is like changing the first boss in hatali and claiming "new content".

this patch has much to be look forward too

I just watched the trailer today after basically quitting the game a while ago from complete boredom (even though the sub is still going, but not for long) and I was curious about what's gonna be next in the game...I'm pretty glad I'm not renewing my subscription

Yup, this patch is just horrible: not only the stuff there is gonna be cleared within days, but there's a lot of stuff pushed back again! I really wish I didn't waste my money on the expansion...after HW I knew SB was going to be bad but deep within my soul I hoped to be wrong, I hoped SB would turn the tides. But no, it's even worse, and I'm tired of doing the same exact things I did in HW....wish I did like my friends and just quit back in 3.1, like half of the entire playerbase did.

But it's alright, I'm just another player ranting like many others so instead of starting a fight or needlessly rambling I'll just go back to the worst mmorpg ever.

Have fun waiting for the weekly locks!