Recipe changes in 1.19

Actually I just realised, will we be able to turn 'Dated' gear into materia like other gearo or are they not being given this option?

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Originally Posted by Karis

Bayonne, can you please answer this question:

Will the new recipes and yields for items such as Yarn, Lumber, and Leather be in addition to or a complete replacement of the current recipes?

For example, will 2 Moko Grass = 12 Hempen Yarn *or* 1 Hempen yarn (different synths) or will it become only the later?

This matters a great deal to players right now because if so we will want to convert all our raw materials before the patch goes live.

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So far they said the only recipes they are deleting right away are copper ingot for bsm and arm... there may be a choice with the rest of them.

From what I understood, the only recipes that will overlap are the ones in which one of the ingredients is being removed.

What's happening with jewellery if nuggets are being removed? I don't see new recipes for rings and earrings.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

since 1.18 came out i've capped 4 crafting classes not to mention the other sp i have been getting. if you cap 4 crafts in the same length of time after the patch then you can prove me wrong. you won't though because you will use an excuse.

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Lmao @ ^ So since you reached 4 crafting classes to cap makes you more right then anyone else?

You keep crying about it. Have fun with your thread.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

What's happening with jewellery if nuggets are being removed? I don't see new recipes for rings and earrings.

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most likely ingot synths not sure

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Originally Posted by Technolust

Lmao @ ^ So since you reached 4 crafting classes to cap makes you more right then anyone else?

You keep crying about it. Have fun with your thread.

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yeah i didn't think you would take the challenge. excuse 1

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

yeah i didn't think you would take the challenge. excuse 1

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Funny thing is it's not about a challenge, yet you seem to think their is one. I don't give a rats ass how big your e-peen is. You were crying about the yield changes I just merely commented on them.

Not sure of this has been mentioned before but here goes.

SE's "metal" recipes are listed from low to high like this:

Bronze
Iron
Steel
Mythril
Cobalt

Ok, with that since we already know that it goes Bronze > Iron > Steel, then we can assume that Mythril comes after Steel and Cobalt comes after Mythril, making Cobalt the highest grade metal available. (or so I'll assume for now).

In the new recipes they have Steel Celata and Cobalt Celata.

If Bronze Celata is R38, Iron is 48 we can assume that Steel will be R58 and Cobalt should be 68 (since there is no mythril, I'm putting Cobalt in its place)


Another example:

Coper Barbut: R13

Bronze Barbut: R23

Iron Barbut: R33

Visored Barbut: R43

Steel, Mythril AND Cobalt Barbuts are in the new recipes, so where will they go?
If we use the assumption made earlier wouldn't it be

Steel Barbut: 53

Mythril Barbut: 63

Cobalt Barbut: 73

I find this interesting, since can easily just make them all under R50 but limit them to certain classes and ranks like for example a Cobalt Barbut will only be wearable by GLA R50.
has there been a level cap increase notice? or will they fit the new mats between currently existing ones?

Pardon me if this has been already addressed.

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Originally Posted by Arkine

Not sure of this has been mentioned before but here goes.

SE's "metal" recipes are listed from low to high like this:

Bronze
Iron
Steel
Mythril
Cobalt

Ok, with that since we already know that it goes Bronze > Iron > Steel, then we can assume that Mythril comes after Steel and Cobalt comes after Mythril, making Cobalt the highest grade metal available. (or so I'll assume for now).

In the new recipes they have Steel Celata and Cobalt Celata.

If Bronze Celata is R38, Iron is 48 we can assume that Steel will be R58 and Cobalt should be 68 (since there is no mythril, I'm putting Cobalt in its place)


Another example:

Coper Barbut: R13

Bronze Barbut: R23

Iron Barbut: R33

Visored Barbut: R43

Steel, Mythril AND Cobalt Barbuts are in the new recipes, so where will they go?
If we use the assumption made earlier wouldn't it be

Steel Barbut: 53

Mythril Barbut: 63

Cobalt Barbut: 73

I find this interesting, since can easily just make them all under R50 but limit them to certain classes and ranks like for example a Cobalt Barbut will only be wearable by GLA R50.
has there been a level cap increase notice? or will they fit the new mats between currently existing ones?

Pardon me if this has been already addressed.

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Well either they mention items that are currently unmakeable, but will one day be, which is possible. Or it means they are throwinging away a level cap increase for the forseeable future, and have decided to make what was once planned to be higher level gear, into max level gear.
essentially turning higher level gear into lower level gear because they kept us at cap way longer than they initially planned, and are not intending a cap raise, but want to use some of the gear they had already designed long ago so it doesnt seem like we arent getting any variety in gear

I tend to beleive the latter, because they are designing an increasing amount of content with a level 50 cap in mind. They are calling a lot of things endgame activities now. They are going to have more people investing in level cap gear with materia, looks like some skills that were supposed to be for higher level classes will probably become job skills (like the bard spells/effects already in the dats)

I think overall its a sign that they are probably going to hold on to this cap for awhile, at the very least till ps3 release, which is probably a good 9 months away at least.

There's been no mention of grade 6 gathering nodes and the fact you can get cobalt in current grades is enough to suggest the level cap isn't going up and that higher rank gear has been lowered. Will be interesting to see how they handle it to prevent gear becoming obsolete as soon as it's added.

I'm thinking the grade 6 dark matter is probably to repair the Ifrit gear.

I'm thinking the level cap won't raise untill patch 1.21 with the implimentation of jobs, just to stop players being maxed out at their job the moment they get them.

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

I'm thinking the grade 6 dark matter is probably to repair the Ifrit gear.

I'm thinking the level cap won't raise untill patch 1.21 with the implimentation of jobs, just to stop players being maxed out at their job the moment they get them.

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Level cap probably wont be raised then either. No one will be maxed out in a job the moment they get them anyways, there are quests you have to do to obtain higher abilities for that job. Just gonna be a bunch of weak ass L50 jobbers runnin around til they complete the quests.

That is a good point about the cobolt being obtainable from grade 5 nodes!

Also, we should keep in mind that if canvas is being phased out as it appears to be (??), then some other material will have to be used for all that R20-ish gear, which would suggest that they may be shuffling around what materials are used for each rank range.

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Originally Posted by Fleur

That is a good point about the cobolt being obtainable from grade 5 nodes!

Also, we should keep in mind that if canvas is being phased out as it appears to be (??), then some other material will have to be used for all that R20-ish gear, which would suggest that they may be shuffling around what materials are used for each rank range.

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I think Velveteen has be re-scaled for rank 20's so it goes

Hempen > Cotton > Velveteen

now with no canvas inbetween.

Seriously who would want to wear something made of canvas anyways? :p

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There will be no recipe changes for alchemists and culinarians in patch 1.19.
Recipe changes for alchemists and culinarians will be implemented in future patches.

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Which is basically what we have been told on the rare occasion we ever get a response since launch. "Eventually" or "Future Patches". I understand there is a ton to do. But getting a class brought up to par with other classes in its archetype should have been a larger priority. But whatever at this point. At least I am getting a chocobo, should make gathering the 3 billion ingredients I need to make the food no one ever buys easier at least.

For the blacksmith, the recipe for 3 cobalt ingots is: 6 cobalt ore and 2 iron ore.

For armorer, the recipe for 3 cobalt ingots is: 7 cobalt ore and 1 iron ore.

Was that on purpose?

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Originally Posted by jones6

So sad there is no more pink gear. Guess I better get to work creating some dated pink gear for my collection.

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lol i hated the pink gear. it was the color of Bazooka Gum
im not against pink gear i just didnt think powder pink was the right pink.

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

I think Velveteen has be re-scaled for rank 20's so it goes

Hempen > Cotton > Velveteen

now with no canvas inbetween.

Seriously who would want to wear something made of canvas anyways? :p

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they should have replaced canvas with burlap
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_h3HborB6LT.../EthelLucy.jpg

I actually like the bubblegum pink, but the shade of pink that linen used is quite nice and much more subtle! It is just a rare sight since it was only used for one not-the best R50 DoL/DoH gear set. >.<

Canvas is a lousy thing to make clothes out of though, unless we're talking sneakers. xD Then again, felt seems rather strange as well . . . but such is the nature of a game I suppose. :)

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

I agree. I was really irritated it wasn't mentioned in the original recipe changes post. Cause I knew it was mentioned weeks ago, but I wanted final confirmation on it. Plus, it's just bad for newer players/players on break who craft and haven't seen that dev post a while ago regarding it. Resulting in them scurrying about trying to exhaust or convert their materials only to find out they never needed to do it til 1.20.

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Lol, your sig. That is amazing.

atm iam more worried about the QA,then anything
it looks like beta -> release,all over again, this change is overpushed,and not beeing talked to us first.
best example , ether,they didnt even notice ,that they remove the resources for ether.
there are way more items of that kind,where it doesnt fit, and if mobs dont drop it anymore,it would be no help,if alches still could use the old recipes..

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エーテルが作成できなくなってしまう件について、開発チームに報告しました。
プークの翼については、1.19に間に合うよう早急にドロップしなくなるアイテムから、
除外するよう対応を行いますとのことです。ご報告ありがとうございました。
I have reported the above to the dev team.
For Puk Wings they will make quick change so item is removed from the list of items that will be removed to make it with 1.19 patch. Thank you for reporting.

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simple said, they found one item, but if not pointed to,they miss many other
this patch wont be helpful, but hey... they have to stick on time,instead of thinking all thru,right?

I posted this on another thread briefly, but I will reiterate here. These changes seem a bit odd to me. First and foremost they are not updating/adding new recipes to alchemy and culinary at the same time as these said changes are beginning to take place. Ontop of that, it appears several items from alchemy are becoming...obsolete?

In the list of items now being used in new recipes, several items are not going to be used. Dyes of course, but also things like horns, scales, wings, glues etc. To compound the issue, these items also won't be dropping from mobs either. Then you also will not be able to use powders, stainsands, salts, fine sands, etc.

What exactly will alchemists be making to rank up? Also, they are drastically lowering the prices of foods from the npcs. To the point they may or may not rival the prices in the marketplace itself. Disappointment aside that they aren't doing these classes recipe changes yet, they both will also have no hand in the materia process.

I'm just really confused why these two classes continue to get the short end of the stick here. Will meager food sales and shards really be equivalent to the tons of gear and such that will be coming along the way? With the materia system also coming, weapon sales and so on will also be going up I would imagine.

I guess I'm just not sure how to think of this all. I thought alot of the recipe changes were going to be based more on these classes due to the difficulty / item demand to level them. Was it just so complex that they had to put it off?

I'm assuming Alchemy and Cooking will need more work to figure out. He did say the changes would come to those 2 jobs - they just need more time (although I wish it was in this update too).

And they're clearly trying to make 'grinding' prohibitively expensive or bridge synths difficult to find which may mean dedicating your leves to a craft. I was making 25k per leve reset doing as many bsm leves as I could for r48-50 (bout 5-8 leves)

Have they said anything about market wards? I mean with all the items being obsoleted it'd be nice for the wards to have a different colored text for the items that are being phased out (like red colored font or something).

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

I think Velveteen has be re-scaled for rank 20's so it goes

Hempen > Cotton > Velveteen

now with no canvas inbetween.

Seriously who would want to wear something made of canvas anyways? :p

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It compliments my burlap undergarments

So, what about Black Pearl items? Blacklip Oyster is listed as one of the items no longer used in any new recipes. Without the Oyster you can't get the pearl and thus without the pearl the Black Pearl items can't be made. Unless the Black Pearls are just going to drop like the Uncultured ones do.

I'm actually Glad they are not doing ALC in this patch. These changes are going to be devastating to crafters and ALC is my main. They need to put in a lot of work to ensure Potions, Ethers and Poisons are actually useful. It's not like there recipes were unreasonable. The biggest fix alchemy needs is an XP overhaul. Most things simple enough to grind gave very little XP for most of the grind. And turning Fish to sand is not exactly awesome..

i dont want to live on this planet anymore.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

I'm actually Glad they are not doing ALC in this patch. These changes are going to be devastating to crafters and ALC is my main. They need to put in a lot of work to ensure Potions, Ethers and Poisons are actually useful. It's not like there recipes were unreasonable. The biggest fix alchemy needs is an XP overhaul. Most things simple enough to grind gave very little XP for most of the grind. And turning Fish to sand is not exactly awesome..

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the only problem i have with them not doing alchemy in this patch is alot of their high level items are being removed. with them not adding new recipes at all it seems there will be a big void left, but i will find out.

Greetings everyone! Yoshida made a post recently that addresses some of the concerns that have been brought up here so I wanted to make sure you all saw it!

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Hi all, Producer / Director Yoshida here.

First off, I would like to apologize for the confusion that the large scale recipe revamp has caused.
We identified the errors that the community has pointed out and addressed them accordingly.
The items listed below will continue to be obtainable even after patch 1.19.

- Puk Wing
- Bad Wing
- Biast Scales
- Drake Scales
- Dormouse Pelt
- Imp Wing
- Ahriman Wing

In addition, we identified a few recipes that may create a disadvantage for the players so we are currently in the process of getting those fixed.

We are currently working on compiling a list of items that will no longer be obtainable after patch 1.19, but will be re-implemented in the future.

To make sure everyone is aware of these statements, we will be preparing a topics announcement that will explain the situation in detail.

Please wait a little longer until the announcement is posted.
We appreciate all the feedback from our customers. I would be honored if you would continue to look over the list and point out any oddities that you may find through this thread. I will make sure all the issues are addressed before and after the patch are released.

Thank you!

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oh, cool beans then

Good job on acting swiftly based on the feedback, responding to the community and best of all, posting the translation of Yoshida's post so fast.

Thanks Bayohne for fast turnaround :-)

*lurking around for Grand Company Ifrit question mwee hee hee hee whoops laughing goes outside of emote*

Mwee hee heee haa~

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Originally Posted by Vesper

Which is basically what we have been told on the rare occasion we ever get a response since launch. "Eventually" or "Future Patches". I understand there is a ton to do. But getting a class brought up to par with other classes in its archetype should have been a larger priority. But whatever at this point. At least I am getting a chocobo, should make gathering the 3 billion ingredients I need to make the food no one ever buys easier at least.

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Ah made another thread for this. WHY wasn't this listed in the patch notes? Seriously. Also this doesn't make any sense. The two crafting classes I like the most are getting totally screwed here. Won't be able to materia craft, won't be able to make repairs (although EVERY other crafting class can make "any" repair?!? Wtf. If a clothcrafter can fix a spear, why can't an alchemist fix a dagger - since we like, make them).

Ugh. So disgusted.

Damn, I tossed all of those items out already :(

I just wonder what it is I am supposed to use to level with...

They just posted in the topics on the JP side which items taken away from 1.19 but planning to be used in the future.
I think NA side posted this info also just now.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...194#post363194

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Dated White Coral Wristband (Black)

old:
1Soot-black Buffalo Leather
Raptor Sinew Cord
White Coral Breastpin
Wing Glue→1

new:
Buffalo Leather
Raptor Sinew Cord
White Coral Breastpin
Wing Glue
All-purpose Black Dye

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Buffalo leather in a new recipe?!
Buffalo Leather is listed in the "Items not Used in New Recipes " !! :confused:

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Originally Posted by Nakiamiie

Buffalo leather in a new recipe?!
Buffalo Leather is listed in the "Items not Used in New Recipes " !! :confused:

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Yeah it is messed up.

Please folks, even if you are not an alchemist, please support my thread looking for dev response on what we can expect with patch. I am really concerned I won't be able to effectively play my favorite job for months if they don't sort this out. I am still not sure if they are removing all those items from the game (black scorpions etc) before adding anything to replace them. If that is the case, a lot of stuff will simply not be able to be made after this patch... with no recipes to replace them.

I am also getting the sense that Alchemists will lose the dye recipes. What exactly will we be making for people if we can't make potions, remedies, dye or ANYTHING?

Oddities (as requested by Bayohne)

-How can we make paralyzing potions without paralyzing powder, black scorpions or jellyfish cnida? Are you simply removing this item? Same question for all offensive potions and remedies - I see belladonna is remaining - but seems like everything else is being removed.

-What are alchemists supposed to do between 1.19 and 1.20?

-Are dyes being taken from alchemists? Will they be sold by npcs? If not, why not give us the recipe for them?

Here is a list of just some of the alchemist items on the "No more use list"

Radiant Fire Moraine
Radiant Lightning Moraine
Radiant Wind Moraine
Radiant Water Moraine
Radiant Ice Moraine
Radiant Earth Moraine
Beehive Chip
Blinding Powder
Silencing Powder
Sleeping Powder
Paralyzing Powder
Maddening Powder
Poison Powder
Smothering Powder
Disabling Powder
Illuminating Salts
Speaking Salts
Reviving Salts
Stimulating Salts
Soothing Salts
Thickening Salts
Breathing Salts
Reanimating Salts
Ironhide Powder
Ironwill Powder
Carbon Fiber
Wing Glue
Scale Glue
Red Landtrap Leaf
Jellyfish Cnida
Puk Wing
Bat Wing
Imp Wing
Ahriman Wing
Void Glue
Black Glass Lens
Yellow Glass Lens
Bee Basket
Tarantula
Black Scorpion
White Scorpion
Grass Viper
Mole-brown Hemp Dye
Lead-grey Hemp Dye
Sand-beige Hemp Dye
Olive-green Cotton Dye
Mesa-red Cotton Dye
Maize-yellow Cotton Dye
Celeste-blue Cotton Dye
Sunset-auburn Canvas Dye
Rose-pink Canvas Dye
Orchard-brown Canvas Dye
Woad-blue Canvas Dye
Raven-black Velveteen Dye
Wine-red Velveteen Dye
Cream-yellow Velveteen Dye
Hunter Green Velveteen Dye
Slate-grey Sheep Leather Dye
Taupe Sheep Leather Dye
Midnight-black Dodo Leather Dye
Soot-black Buffalo Leather Dye
Red Ochre Buffalo Leather Dye
Oxblood-red Buffalo Leather Dye
Moss-green Buffalo Leather Dye
Desert-yellow Buffalo Leather Dye
Russet-brown Buffalo Leather Dye
Dark Brown Toad Leather Dye
Marsh-green Nakki Leather Dye
Storm-blue Boar Leather Dye
Rust-red Boar Leather Dye
Loam-brown Boar Leather Dye
Light Beige Boar Leather Dye
Green Enamel
Brown Enamel
Blue Enamel
Purple Enamel
Red Enamel
Indigo Enamel
White Enamel
Gold Enamel
Vert Lacquer
Azure Lacquer
Gules Lacquer
Purpure Lacquer
Sable Lacquer
Argent Lacquer
Or Lacquer
Mole-brown Dyer's Moss
Lead-grey Dyer's Moss
Sand-beige Dyer's Moss
Olive-green Dyer's Moss
Mesa-red Dyer's Moss
Maize-yellow Dyer's Moss
Celeste-blue Dyer's Moss
Sunset-auburn Dyer's Moss
Rose-pink Dyer's Moss
Orchard-brown Dyer's Moss
Woad-blue Dyer's Moss
Raven-black Dyer's Moss
Wine-red Dyer's Moss
Cream-yellow Dyer's Moss
Hunter Green Dyer's Moss
Slate-grey Scale Bugs
Taupe Scale Bugs
Midnight-black Scale Bugs
Soot-black Scale Bugs
Red Ochre Scale Bugs
Oxblood-red Scale Bugs
Moss-green Scale Bugs
Desert-yellow Scale Bugs
Russet-brown Scale Bugs
Dark Brown Scale Bugs
Marsh-green Scale Bugs
Storm-blue Scale Bugs
Rust-red Scale Bugs
Loam-brown Scale Bugs
Light Beige Scale Bugs

Do you think this is reasonable? What will alchemists have left to do? Are we supposed to just grind fish for months?