[Dev 1011] Failing Guildleves Intentionally?

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

Would it make sense that I don't have the time to play the game as much as others do?
Or that I rather grind than just do leves all the time?
Or that fact that there is nothing to rank up to? You get to r50 and ohhh NM?

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His point is that people who haven't gotten past the rank where you either "trick" the system or you seriously feel like you're wasting your time by playing the game don't really understand how horrible it would be if they simply removed the trick without actually fixing the system.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

There are mobs outside of coblyns and raptors and at all levels too. People don't go out looking half the time. That's what I'm getting at. Nobody goes outside of camps anymore. And ranking up is supposed to be a 'grind' in later levels, not handed to you so easily but a couple of leves.

EDIT: You just proved my point that people log on, do leves, maybe do a behest, log off.

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No you assume people dont. If grinding was a reasonable way to rank up people would do it, but it isnt. sure I can kill hogs for 250-300 sp a kill but it takes me way to long to do it and it is also quite dangerous hence not reasonable.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

No you assume people dont. If grinding was a reasonable way to rank up people would do it, but it isnt. sure I can kill hogs for 250-300 sp a kill but it takes me way to long to do it and it is also quite dangerous hence not reasonable.

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This is not completely true as Raptor parties have viable SP gains rank 43+.

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Originally Posted by Jibe

We want a BETTER system

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I agree, SE wanted to make leves for casual players and 'grinding' for the more hardcore that wanted to continue their advancement. But it has become that leves are complete shit by the casual or solo player and have become amazing for hardcore players that just continually abandon their leves and have 2-3 full links of the same leve per reset. SE screwed this up bad, and I am sure they know this already. However as other people suggested, dropping a leve from your journal does not solve the issue that is currently at hand.

Realistically speaking, we probably wont see any sort of fix for leves/grinding until after the new battle system is implemented. It would be nice to see all the leves get reworked and sp chains be added to the game that make grinding and ranking up more viable from both of our options.

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Originally Posted by Belial

This is not completely true as Raptor parties have viable SP gains rank 43+.

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I already mentioned raptor parties are decent sp if you have the proper set up.

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Originally Posted by Belial

This is not completely true as Raptor parties have viable SP gains rank 43+.

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30k an hour with optimal setup

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Originally Posted by Krausus

No you assume people dont. If grinding was a reasonable way to rank up people would do it, but it isnt. sure I can kill hogs for 250-300 sp a kill but it takes me way to long to do it and it is also quite dangerous hence not reasonable.

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We can agree to disagree, that is all I'm saying.
The 'dangerous' part is a whole nother topic at hand. What's the point in ranking up if it's gonna bet that easy and not somewhat dangerous.

Sorry if I'm coming off as a b*tch, I just have a negative way of typing things

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I already mentioned raptor parties are decent sp if you have the proper set up.

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Isn't that the same as properly setting up an effective leve quest failure for next reset?

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

We can agree to disagree, that is all I'm saying.
The 'dangerous' part is a whole nother topic at hand. What's the point in ranking up if it's gonna bet that easy and not somewhat dangerous.

Sorry if I'm coming off as a b*tch, I just have a negative way of typing things

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no body said anything about wanting easy mode, but having to cast cure II or sac II between every other hit and use about every defensive ability available just to stay alive during that time becomes to much risk for reward.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

Actually you get to continuously kill mobs past the 8 leves you do each 36 hours.
Do you even grind? I think that is the actual question at hand

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Yes, I grind, way more than you do. I can tell you that grinding is not better than leves at all. And that you are just wasting your time if you are ignoring leves (with full links).

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

30k an hour with optimal setup

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Post some kind of proof behind that number, because to me that is a load of shit. Raptors do not give enough SP per kill and are too spread out in Coerthas to be giving you 30k/hr.