Time to Restart Housing Demolition

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

This is an absolutely psychotic take, holy shit.
We're talking about whether or not to enable a feature that's been disabled in a video game for 6 months, and you're asking me to answer for 23 deaths in a warzone for a conflict on the other side of the world.

This is as bad with fake posturing as the people at the start of the war who changed their glams to blue and yellow and stood in Limsa. It serves no purpose other than to stroke your ego and attempt to brand anyone who disagrees with you as heartless.

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My first statement had nothing to do with whether or not demolition should be resumed.

You're the one who said "It's fair to say things have settled down".

No, they haven't. Pull your head out of your nether regions. There are innocent people still dying over there.

If you want to know my feeling about demolition, look at my last statement.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Are they? Name three people with FFXIV accounts and an FFXIV house that are currently being prevented from logging on and visiting their house by the war in the Ukraine. I'll wait.

It's not "empathy," it's exploitation, and it should disgust us all.

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This. Is most possibly. The worst take I've seen when disaster is involved.

Really? You want actual proof that people cannot log in when they are being evacuated out of the country to stay in literal tents with nothing much else (Exception being food & water, because those are supplied. But not found in the tents themselves!) just to satisfy your stance? (There are reports of them also living on unused military bases in modified Cargo Containers, but that's not really much of a step-up.)

Has it perhaps ever occurred to you that maybe, just maybe.. You should show just a small drop of humanity? What if it was your country getting invaded? What if you had to leave your house and everything you own behind, out of fear of getting shot or shelled by artillery fire? Or what of the people having to evacuate in France, Spain and now even the UK, thanks to spreading Wildfires? Sure, it might not be affecting YOU. But that doesn't mean you get to downplay it.

Sure, their virtual house isn't very important when things like that are taken into account, plus XIVs Ukraine population maybe being possibly below 1% of its total EU playerbase (Region, not actually part of the European Union. France & Spain probably equating to closer to 4% maybe 5%. The UK being similar) but if you can only get a house at the expense of another? And are willing to take that?

You need to do some reflection. Like some seriously DEEP reflection. Because I doubt it's a human looking back at you.

Fix the Supply. Not be at the throat of others over a delusional and Manufactured demand.

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Originally Posted by Kenky

Really? You want actual proof that people cannot log in when they are being evacuated out of the country to stay in literal tents with nothing much else

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No, I want evidence the ANY of them are FFXIV subscribers who have a house in the game. The only Ukrainian player anyone has brought up is back streaming the game.

Your supposed potential "victims" of the resumption of housing recycling is a hoax made up by people, like you, who hate FFXIV's housing system. There is no evidence, anywhere, that any FFXIV players in the Ukraine are unable to login often enough to keep there house -- assuming they even have one.

As I wrote before, in the part of my post you stealthily edited out:

We need a term for this use by "activists" of other people's tragedies to advance the activists' personal agenda -- an agenda that the real victims [if any] may either not give a damn about or even be opposed to. "Victimhood appropriation" perhaps?

It's not "empathy," it's exploitation, and it should disgust us all.

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Originally Posted by Kenky

You need to do some reflection.

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You need to stop manufacturing victims that don't exist just to push your agenda.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

There are innocent people still dying over there.

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If they're dead, they won't mind if their video game house gets recycled.
Or does it remain their house "until sea swallows all?"

None of the anti-housing-recycling advocates ever bothers to address what should happen to houses of players that leave the game forever -- either voluntarily, by ban, or by death. This demonstrates that their true goal is to sabotage the FFXIV housing system, which they hate, in the hope SE will be forced to replace it with a new one.

so many angry demanding karens they will restart when their ready and not because some karens started screaming at them.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

If they're dead, they won't mind if their video game house gets recycled.
Or does it remain their house "until sea swallows all?"

None of the anti-housing-recycling advocates ever bothers to address what should happen to houses of players that leave the game forever -- either voluntarily, by ban, or by death. This demonstrates that their true goal is to sabotage the FFXIV housing system, which they hate, in the hope SE will be forced to replace it with a new one.

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Why are you pulling what I said out of context?

Thank goodness people only have to look up a few posts to get the correct context.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

No, I want evidence the ANY of them are FFXIV subscribers who have a house in the game. The only Ukrainian player anyone has brought up is back streaming the game.

You need to stop manufacturing victims that don't exist just to push your agenda.

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Ah, yes. Out of hundreds, if not thousands of refugees that nobody truly knows what they do in their free time (and likely nobodys about to ask them. Kind of pointless at present) there's ONE person who is back to streaming, as they got lucky and able to not be in a Refugee camp.

Well, since that one singular person is okay, that means everything's all daijobu and no longer need to empathize. Dear god, you are sounding less and less like a human being as you continue to post. To the point I'm even hesitating to consider you "Human" with your outright lack of care.

And I'm not "manufacturing victims that don't exist". I'm pointing out that, if there -were- a large population of Ukraine players that could no longer get their house and auto-demo was turned on. That would release.. What, a couple of houses? Maybe up to half a ward at most? Only on EU servers and your chances are still next to zero, as you'd have to wait upwards of two, if not three months for them to even show up on the Lottery list, then another 2+ weeks for you to be told no.

Stop gunning for houses. Stop gunning for people owning said houses. Push for fairness for all, or shut up. Instanced Housing would fix this. I've already gone on record to say it's unlikely to occur, given SE is at the wheel and I can guarantee most people know SE isn't a charity. They won't put tons of effort into something they know won't pay off in the long-term. That is sadly one of the downsides of Instanced Housing.

With no chance of losing your house, people no longer need to keep their subs running / entering the game to up the player count. Which means during lulls, SEs bottom line will tank. As a company, they want to avoid that. Which makes somewhat sense that they are continuing to put resources into expanding the Wards, rather than going Instanced. But there's only so many Wards they can make before they literally hit a brick wall. Island Sanctuaries, despite it having next to nothing to do with Housing, I feel comes as a 'test' of sorts. See how much it's used and how long it keeps players engaged.

Who knows? If Sanctuaries do well enough, they could add onto the Island Sanctuaries by allowing the players to build a player home -on- said island. (And that comes with all of the benefits of owning said house.) as they could tie it into a capstone quest of some sort. It'd allow everyone the ability to benefit from housing (Provided they complete the quest-chain) and Ward-Houses keep their "neighborhood appeal". They could easily do this with apartments too, but I feel I'm already a tad too wishful.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

If they're dead, they won't mind if their video game house gets recycled.
Or does it remain their house "until sea swallows all?"

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There is the part of 'a reminder to a player' that can matter on this. Especialy if its a valued member of the community (on which that community can be just an FC). Destroying that means that memory gets destoyed with it. But on that we also have the counter argument: many people die for random reasons. War is dusgusting, but so is cancer. The argument here should be no diffirent. And especialy in games, since you dont realy know the player... what would the value be?

It would be nice if those houses can be preserved. Even if for now the housing system cannot manage it. If in lets say 1 year they manage to make some sort of instanced system which can be used to view those houses... it can still preserve that history.

But lets now also compare it to the IRL situation, a house someone lived in that you know also gets sold to a new owner at some point. The memory in that case is just its location from that point. And thats why i think that even if it would be nice if those houses can be preserved, it is not required.

Is that sabotage? No... its just comparing to limited resources IRL. At least in this case the old version can be put into a backup for later, when the servers can manage housing without these limits. The address might still change then, but thats not realy the personal thing anyway.

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Originally Posted by Kenky

Stop gunning for houses. Stop gunning for people owning said houses. Push for fairness for all, or shut up. Instanced Housing would fix this.

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You apparently don't even understand what the word "fairness" means.
Here's a clue: it doesn't mean everyone gets a trophy, or a house in FFXIV.

fairness

noun
1. impartial and just treatment or behaviour without favouritism or discrimination.
"part of my role is to ensure fairness to all parties"

Gee, your wishes to strip things from people seems to go against that. So what is YOUR version of "Fairness"?

And need I remind you, this is the Housing Forum. Where most of the threads are either "Punish hoarders for playing by the rules when <insert server here> was almost empty" or "Instanced housing fixes everything". Which leads plenty to believe that, so long as they get a house, they don't really care where it comes from.