The Ancients still deserved better, after everything

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Originally Posted by Silvaire_Valtain

The Ancients could create Entelechies, like Meteion. So they could create an Entelechy to go fight Meteion.

Y'all need to think about things and not just accept what you are told.

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ONE Ancient could create entelechies: Hermes. His research wasn't shared. He also was of the opinion that Meteion was something he wished to protect. He did actually live through the Final Days, you know, at no point offering to resolve the problem.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

ONE Ancient could create entelechies: Hermes.

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what about the dude who made the flower

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

ONE Ancient could create entelechies: Hermes. His research wasn't shared. He also was of the opinion that Meteion was something he wished to protect. He did actually live through the Final Days, you know, at no point offering to resolve the problem.

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Do you truly thing a civilization that thrives on research and debate wouldn’t have been able to create them after 12k years? Especially if Venat tells them what Meteion is? Please tell me you don’t truly believe this.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

ONE Ancient could create entelechies: Hermes. His research wasn't shared. He also was of the opinion that Meteion was something he wished to protect. He did actually live through the Final Days, you know, at no point offering to resolve the problem.

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He was admitted to the Convocation and became Fandaniel. What are you even talking about? The problem was they did not know the origin of the crisis (again, it was not shared with them by Venat), so they focused on solutions based on inferred patterns of weakness in the celestial currents. Also, the Elpis flowers were not his creation. They had the capability to create these things, and there is little reason to believe this research could not be picked up, if they knew this was the avenue of research they had to pursue. 12k+ years is an awful long time frame within which to come up with a solution.

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Originally Posted by AnEmissary

I'm okay with a broken time loop and WoL's ceasing to exist as long as it leads to a better end for the Ancients. I have minimal interest or care in the Sundered characters--the individual who said above that they found the Ancients cold and distant? That's exactly how I feel about the Scions, and have for years.

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Same here.

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Originally Posted by AnEmissary

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We will have to agree that while this story is not the story you wished to play through, it is the story that I played through and enjoyed.

It is not within either of our powers to change the way it has been written.

In the Multiverse, there is at least one Universe where your dream is true. There is another where the Ascians were successful with Bahamut and the world died.

This game is in neither of those Universes.

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

what about the dude who made the flower

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No one knows who created the Elpis flower, nor has anyone found research about its creation.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

12k+ years is an awful long time frame within which to come up with a solution.

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You are assuming that the Ancients would have 12,000 years to come up with a solution. They had no clue as to the cause of the Final Days, and with things 'back to normal' under Zodiark, why would they pursue something they can't detect?

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

We will have to agree that while this story is not the story you wished to play through, it is the story that I played through and enjoyed.

It is not within either of our powers to change the way it has been written.

In the Multiverse, there is at least one Universe where your dream is true. There is another where the Ascians were successful with Bahamut and the world died.

This game is in neither of those Universes.

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But it is within our power to speak about what we liked and did not--this is, after, a forum whose first purpose is feedback about the game.

As a result, your response comes off as both crass and pointless. If you're wanting to say something, then say it outright.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

You are assuming that the Ancients would have 12,000 years to come up with a solution. They had no clue as to the cause of the Final Days, and with things 'back to normal' under Zodiark, why would they pursue something they can't detect?

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Yes, we're discussing the hypothetical scenario where Venat shared this information and the origin of the crisis had become known to them, as that is at a minimum how long Zodiark's shield persisted. You can claim that she had "reasons" not to due to the time loop or whatever (vague, not very clear even based on the writers' answers in the Q&A), but that's separate to the belief that even given that information, they could not have done so, which is what's being challenged here.

Daily reminder that the Ancients built Zodiark in a cave, with a box of scraps.

If the Ancients can get together and create a being capable of shielding an entire planet from Meteion's negative vibes for 12k years with no real prep time, then surely they can create something capable of dealing with her omnicidal temper tantrum if they weren't kept in the dark by our beloved genocide mommy.