[Spoilers] Eden Feedback Thread

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Originally Posted by Zelent

I have to agree with you here.
Each new expansion has gotten worse in regards to the boss locations. I don't mind too much, but it would be nice to have a raid that actually feels like your progressing through a dangerous, yet consistent, environment.
I felt the Alliance Raids in SB did this fairly well.

In fact, this aspect is one of the (very few) things that WoW still excels at.

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Do coils if you haven't already. I solo-ed them unsync and was surprised at how different it was. But at the same time, I can see why they cut it. That maze going down was pain.

SE looks at what's demanded, Yoshi listens and decides the general direction, designers meet those demands. If something like the maze of turn 4(?) was released again, guaranteed you'd have a wave of people complaining how it takes too long, some hallways are pointless, ect. Yoshi has even spoke on the reason they cut multiple paths in dungeons was because people would go to the one that got to the end fastest. So now raids are trial sets. We may get another phantom train like instance but that's the extent, likely.

My biggest gripe was the story....or lack there of. You meet a guard and within minutes are in Eden where everything conveniently and quickly is set up and you are in and fighting the core before you can turn around, because a teenage girl, who was sheltered nearly her entire life, was able to figure out a century old piece of tech that does not resemble anything in the present, in literal seconds. There was barely any set up, everything came too easily and there is just nothing there. SE is known for their story telling abilities and this is the one of those times that shows, when they fail at story telling, they really fail at story telling.

It is the exact opposite of Ivalice which dragged on entirely too long with characters you wanted to slap more than help.

The music was top tier i really loved it!
I was surpised we fought Eden Prime right of the bat tho but it was a pleasant fight.
I kinda DFed all 4 fights since i play solo but it went well. We wiped 2 times on Voidwalker due to the mechanics confusing some people but we were typing down things we noticed etc
Leviathan was my absolute favourite and evil as heck! When he destroyed the central platforms half of us died[luckily not the healers phew]
Titan Cart was hilarious and always kept ppl on their toes but i absolutely hated it as a Black Mage,it was almost difficult to dps for me

overall it was great but i wont do titan more than once per reset /sweat

question why is Ryne the oracle of darkness is that misstype through whole expansion she was oracle of light. has something change, Minifisa gave her power she sense the sin eater I am now confuse

please answer this plot hole for me SE

He's my experience tanking them all. I ran E1 & E2 twice, once solo and another with friends doing it their first time. Doing the ratings on a 1-10 scale

E1: I didn't play FFVIII so I appreciated the fight and the hype it had for people. Mechanic wise it was pretty simple, my blind group only wiped once and that was before the dps check. I liked having to bait the circle aoes to then run behind Prime for the one shot. If I had to rate it 6/10. Would probably be higher if I was a VIII fan.

E2: First run I understood some of the mechs, but since I was MT I didn't get hit with the crazy stacking ones. I know there was some time delay mechanic but I didn't know how it was done. Cleared without a single wipe Second time with friends I paid more attention since I was OT and it really made me like the fight. Knowing when it would be delayed for a shriek or not made it more fun. We wiped once, but everyone else in my party picked it up really quick. At first I'd give it a 7 but after getting it I'd put it at an 8.

E3: Didn't expect Levi but it was absolutely welcome. Was MT and picked up every single mech as it happened. Only died once due to a bad rough divide placement when the platform was split in two. No wipes and I was salty I didn't get the orchestrion roll. Really hype fight and the remix was great. Solid 8.5 from me.

E4: The fight that messed me up. My group had about 4 wipes before we got it down but I had so much damn fun. One person did understand the mechs and were explaining them but they came a bit too late in the chat. Me and the OT were new so we were dying to exploding rocks but got it down. Very very fun fight and I imagine savage is going to be nuts. The remix for this one was amazing and I bought the orchestrion for it immediately after LMAO. 9.5 for me, legit blew my expectations away as I usually hold the third floor of normal in the highest regard since Omega.

If this is our first set of Eden I can only imagine what the next one will be, let alone our Nier alliance raids.

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

question why is Ryne the oracle of darkness is that misstype through whole expansion she was oracle of light. has something change, Minifisa gave her power she sense the sin eater I am now confuse

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The armored woman is probably the oracle of darkness not Ryne.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

I have mixed feelings about the raids just being new versions of primals we've fought before. I kind of like the "remix" designs and mechanics, but I also feel a little like I'd have rather seen all new bosses.

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This was my biggest complaint tbh. And I hate to sound ungrateful because overall, the fights were fun. Eden Prime and the second fight were cool but I literally groaned when they began mentioning primals from the past. I get it in context of the story but I was REALLY hoping to see completely new bosses or throwback enemies from FF8 which this is obviously drawn from. I know we'll end up fighting Garuda and Ifrit in the next patch but I'm hoping that is the last of that and new bosses are introduced.

In the end, I was still happy with the quality and challenge of the fights. Everyone kept saying Titan V2 is the worst but Leviathan has A LOT going on. Large AoE attacks, target markers, stage attacks, puddles, quick charge-up attacks that break the stage, attacks that can knock you off the stage, a tank buster that does 100k...even after you get the mechanics down, it's still pretty difficult because you eyes are constantly jumping around to make sure you're not getting clipped by something you missed. Good thing I don't do savage...because the final two raids are going to be a pain in the ass to complete.

Story-wise...it's a bit underwhelming coming off the high that was Shadowbringers. And yes, I know it's a sidequest technically but I'm still waiting on a raid with a story similar to TBCoB. I'm hoping it picks up a bit in the later patches. I feel like after everything is restored, the Empty is going to because 5.0's version of Eureka.

The music is freaking great!! I spazzed so hard when first got to the Empty and heard "Blue Fields" from FF8. The remixed version of "Force Your Way," Leviathan and Titan's themes were actually pretty awesome as well.

The new loot system is HUGELY appreciated. The fact that all types of gear drops from any of the 4 raids is a welcome addition.

ok I see, I hope so I been hope we take ryne back to the source for while it be awesome. if we went all the trouble to save first we should be able take Ryne with us since we in a way saved Minfila

another suggest SE please move the piece to buy new gear into the other currency inventory your all about inventory mangerment this work in are favor in this regain or create a new table called raid currency

for example Alexander could have separate table in raid currency who win it this could go there. this free up a lot room for retainer and stuff because this way raid currency could be use in place.

you have 4 gear you buy that piece alexander gear

What's up with you people wanting story mode as difficult as savage?

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Originally Posted by Renato

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So I was originally miffed on this idea, BUT there's three big things I loved about this.

1) We know Nomura did every boss design for Eden so this is a way for Nomura to show his own interpretations of the Primals from ARR. From a story perspective this makes so much sense since our variations (Nomura's redesigns) are going to look much different, even if we laugh at how we thought Titan had a go-kart.

2) This is a chance for Soken to remix some of his older songs from ARR past the Primals live versions. Those were some of his first songs as lead sound producer for ARR so it's really cool to see what his variations on not only the classic FFVIII songs but also his original pieces. Add on the fact we'll probably be having our FFVIII remixes as well so it'll appeal to those fans but also pay tribute to XIV fans as well.

3) Most importantly to me, this is a chance for the new raid design team to put their spin on these ARR fights. Titan was a prime example of what the new team feels works for our current playerbase and it's just nuts. Taking the exploding rocks and putting them in new enviornments is just an good example of taking an ARR staple and changing it up.