Dark Knight follow up thread

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Originally Posted by MerlinCross

I was real tired when I was typing that out. But that point is I feel we lost a lot of stuff or nerfed and what have we gained? Inner Release and a buff to our AoE game which wasn't terrible, like it wasn't Ninja. Also I could have sworn we still had the blind tagged to Dark Passenger for Stormblood. Already losing my memory of what stuff did because it's just straight up gone.

I just feel like I'm not doing anything when I play DRK. Sure I actually might be doing more actions but it's spam with less buttons so it doesn't feel like it. And as much as I loved TBN in Stormblood, this really needs to get nerfed. Look I love it, it's still very good, but if something isn't going to change, we're probably going to just get balanced around TBN going forward.

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DRK still had Dark Passenger in Stormblood but it was heavily nerfed but still had the blind effect, and then they outright removed it but replaced it with Flood of Darkness/Shadwow which I feel is a lazy way of introducing new things to what was originally the first expert tank and now it's lumped in with the beginner's tanks...

I also feel like I'm doing nothing on DRK when waiting on cooldowns or 50 Blood to use whatever Blood spender I can use based on the situation...

The AOE combo at such a late time in the game is just bad IMO.

Blood weapon needs to be 15s duration or reworked completely.

LD, thats a dead horse.

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

DRK still had Dark Passenger in Stormblood but it was heavily nerfed but still had the blind effect, and then they outright removed it but replaced it with Flood of Darkness/Shadwow which I feel is a lazy way of introducing new things to what was originally the first expert tank and now it's lumped in with the beginner's tanks...

I also feel like I'm doing nothing on DRK when waiting on cooldowns or 50 Blood to use whatever Blood spender I can use based on the situation...

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I honestly hated Dark Passenger 4800 MP for a blind? Great thanks. It was super situational and you used it maybe a handful of times in raids like O3S or O7S for adds other than that wasn't worth the cost associated with it I like FoS where I can even get a free one with TBN much more engaging than blowing half my mana for a mediocre blind.

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Originally Posted by Awful

I honestly hated Dark Passenger 4800 MP for a blind? Great thanks. It was super situational and you used it maybe a handful of times in raids like O3S or O7S for adds other than that wasn't worth the cost associated with it I like FoS where I can even get a free one with TBN much more engaging than blowing half my mana for a mediocre blind.

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The solution was to buff the potency to justify the absurd MP cost but NOPE replacing it with a more quarter-baked skill seems to be the better alternative...

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

The solution was to buff the potency to justify the absurd MP cost but NOPE replacing it with a more quarter-baked skill seems to be the better alternative...

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It's better than Dark Passenger, blind is pretty worthless it does 20 more potency at a better cost I don't get why you defend it when it wasn't very good at all, if I wanted to blind things I'd play old HW DRK when you could have used DP at a better cost with Dark Dance and it was only good in dungeons. Either way old DP was crap and I'm glad it's gone I like FoS, it's DP but does a smidge more damage and gives me Darkside, is it complex? No. Doesn't have to be. It's the natural evolution for DRK for DP because it was bad.

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Originally Posted by Awful

It's better than Dark Passenger, blind is pretty worthless it does 20 more potency at a better cost I don't get why you defend it when it wasn't very good at all, if I wanted to blind things I'd play old HW DRK when you could have used DP at a better cost with Dark Dance and it was only good in dungeons. Either way old DP was crap and I'm glad it's gone I like FoS, it's DP but does a smidge more damage and gives me Darkside, is it complex? No. Doesn't have to be. It's the natural evolution for DRK for DP because it was bad.

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So you like sitting there doing nothing for 80 seconds waiting for Delirium to come off cooldown...? How is that interesting...? I seriously want to know. How is spamming the same 3 buttons waiting for for other buttons to come of cooldown, while also pressing 1 or 2 additional button in between, both fun and interesting?

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

So you like sitting there doing nothing for 80 seconds waiting for Delirium to come off cooldown...? How is that interesting...? I seriously want to know. How is spamming the same 3 buttons waiting for for other buttons to come of cooldown, while also pressing 1 or 2 additional button in between, both fun and interesting?

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I never mentioned Delirium in any of my posts but since you bring it up, do I dislike it? A little since it's a carbon copy of WARs IR but lesser, that's my opinion on it I do find value with BW and CnS despite DRK being slowed down I never liked old Delirium that extended BW DRK should be a heavy hitter and Delirium is a good base but it should't be so similar to WARs burst.

There should have been another way to do their burst while fitting it in the burst window, because this game is all about burst DPS within certain party buffs, I don't mind playing DRK at all for many reasons just because you don't see that and find it boring doesn't mean that I agree. I play GNB and DRK and they're both a blast to play ones fast and ones a heavy hitter there's enough there to want me keep playing either because I love how FFXIV lets me switch on the fly at anytime I want.

Do I wanna do Titania EX as a GNB? Nah I'll go DRK and see how I can DPS balls to the wall while using TBN effectively for DPS gains and mitigation and fitting my burst in, even if it is predictable, then I can switch out and go GNB for Innocence EX for a shake up. Yes I'm aware DRK only has a 1-2-3 and a 4 when you get blood but to me it's not as boring as other classes like I cannot for the life of me play Monk I loathe playing Monk, to me that's boring and I never wanna touch it but opinions are opinions and are ever changing I'm not trying to convince you play what you find interesting just like I'll play what I want to play.

I know a lot of people aren't happy with Delirium and there are valid concerns I honestly don't know what they could do to make it better or unique exclusively to DRK.

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

So you like sitting there doing nothing for 80 seconds waiting for Delirium to come off cooldown...? How is that interesting...? I seriously want to know. How is spamming the same 3 buttons waiting for for other buttons to come of cooldown, while also pressing 1 or 2 additional button in between, both fun and interesting?

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I agree that spamming soul eater again is very disheartening, but the new skills help break it up. I think what would fix DRk's extreme downtime is just shortened CDs, like come on not everything needs to be an entire minute long. GNB feels fast (imo) because of the short cds, which really helps make the job feel like you're constantly pressing things even though you may just be pressing the same button. Like damn, imagine if gnashing fang was like a minute long CD. It realy sucks if they made DRK slow just because they want GNB to be the only fast tank. I'm leveling up PLD atm so I don't know if the new sword oath mechanic and confiteor skill helps break up the royal authority (after goring blade) spam because I'm already tired of seeing riot blade lol.

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Originally Posted by Awful

I know a lot of people aren't happy with Delirium and there are valid concerns I honestly don't know what they could do to make it better or unique exclusively to DRK.

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I call what they did with Delirium "uninspired" because there a couple of easy things that they could've done to make it feel different.

I would like to preface my following comments by saying that these are not suggestions for changes as I don't think that they are going to make any changes nor does this take into consideration for potency balances or the need for double weaving. These are just examples for other ways they could have made Delirium create a spammy burst window to hit 5/6 skills while not being just a copy of inner release:

#1) 45 sec cd and 7 sec duration, with the same skill otherwise.

#2) 90 sec cd and 10 sec duration, giving us a permanent Dark Arts proc during the duration or make all atks give the Dark Arts proc during the duration.

#3) 45 sec CD, fills our MP bar and Blood gauge to maximum then gives us a Dark Arts proc.

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

At least Continuation changes to the appropriate attack name when you are using Gnashing Fang Combo, which is surprisingly macro friendly... I might name the macro "Mashing Fang" since that is basically how macro friendly it is... although I think Koji Fox knew someone would make a Gnashing Fang Macro with that name...

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First you complain about drk being slow and clunky, and now you are using super clunky macros on gnb which are also slowing him down.
Hmmmmm
Idk if you could even double weave with these macros without clipping, since its slowing your input a lot due tothe queue nature of the game..