Regarding that Finaland Interview...

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

And how are you supposed to click on a door if you're not subbed? That was also part of the question.

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Apartments don't demo if you unsub, so if you wanted to take a break like the guy is asking then you're fine.

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You're treating the matters of the heart as if it was a fault.

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I'm not but it's been how many years has it been? They obviously can not just implement more housing so if it's that important to you, go to where housing is available.

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You can advocate that the only things in housing that matters should be utility

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I don't know how many times I have to explain this, I'm not advocating for anything me listing those things are actual features of other games. Those are things where housing is legitimately needed and if everyone couldn't get it, it would be a problem and if a dev said what Yoshi said then, in that situation then yep he's definitely out of touch.

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I fail to see how it's on people when that's basically one of the goals in mind when Yoshida created housing.

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He didn't create housing for everyone to have one, he intentionally created housing for FCs and then said he was going to add separate personal housing.

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Originally Posted by OurMom

He didn't create housing for everyone to have one, he intentionally created housing for FCs and then said he was going to add separate personal housing.

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IIRC, personal housing was supposed to be separate from FC housing, but it isn't, and so we have the hot mess that we know as XIV's housing. I'm a big fan of instanced housing. Even with instanced housing, I've seen games that still allow you to have neighbors/friends in your instance (RIP Wildstar). As it is now, housing wards are pretty pointless. They're huge, and mostly dead - even on Balmung.

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Originally Posted by OurMom

Apartments don't demo if you unsub, so if you wanted to take a break like the guy is asking then you're fine.

Houses do.



I'm not but it's been how many years has it been? They obviously can not just implement more housing so if it's that important to you, go to where housing is available.

Okay but I'm not vouching for that sort of suggestion. Nor did I mention it so I don't know why you're bringing this up to the discussion of people who already have a house, want to take a break from their sub but don't want relocate their belongings to an apartment.

You know, like Yoshida did.



I don't know how many times I have to explain this, I'm not advocating for anything me listing those things are actual features of other games. Those are things where housing is legitimately needed and if everyone couldn't get it, it would be a problem and if a dev said what Yoshi said then, in that situation then yep he's definitely out of touch.

You've repeated many times to others that other things in the game matter because they're needed but housing isn't. Again, what matters in the game, at some point, has a different value for everyone else. If you wan't argue fact for fact what is needed, we'd be stripping the game pretty barebone. You've repeated many times that it's on people if they have attachment to housing as if they were at fault. You're advocating that housing shouldn't matter because it's not needed.



He didn't create housing for everyone to have one, he intentionally created housing for FCs and then said he was going to add separate personal housing.

And why did he create seperate personal housing? Because it was requested. Why was it requested? Because people wanted it. What's an mmo company's main aim? To aim to please and go after their desires. I don't even know why I had to explain that.

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At this point, I'm not even sure what you're trying argue here as you're pulling other argument points from just to supplement your viewpoint that housing's not needed. A lot of things in the game is not needed. Heck as you even pointed out, the game should've just run on msq and gear progression because that's what's needed to go further. But SE did not stop at just that because realistically, that would've failed. They added a boat load of stuff because like any smart gaming company that creates mmos, the more features you have in the game, even the optional ones, the more you can reel in and possibly keep. The responsibility to make sure those optional features are up to standards go to the ones who make it.

If you feel Yoshida isn't out of touch because, as you like mentioning, it's on people for valuing optional content in the game and him making apathetic statements that further riles up people who value that content, then you and I have nothing further to discuss. If you want to explore and/or discuss realistic suggestions that could be made to housing in the game, other than trying to redirect players into leaving their houses to go to an apartment, I'm right here.

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Originally Posted by Fhaerron

The housing wards are dead on most server. I've been playing on 4 servers in EU and housing wards are dead on all of them. There's hardly anybody there. If there are they're most likely inside their house.
The majority of people online will be in Limsa standing about and waiting for the DF queue or PF group to fill up.

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Its funny because a FC must have bought a house near mine and suddenly for the first time since quite a while I have people jumping around the wards, saying hello or watching me work. I honestly was a bit annoyed at that after some time so I mostly just craft inside my house now (god I am a grumpy old lady arent I?) But it also showed me how much the reasons for wards often told hold up.

Also about apartments: We could have a deal Yoshida if we could buy unlimited apartments in all city states and buy more rooms for each apartment too. Otherwise...no apartments are not a good other way to have a house. As a FC you get no workshop, and for everyone you get no big garden plot. You have not outside space to decorate and the inside is so small that you can barely do anything with it. You could barely even use any of the house items they create per patch or throw into the events.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

At this point, I'm not even sure what you're trying argue here as you're pulling other argument points from just to supplement your viewpoint that housing's not needed. A lot of things in the game is not needed. Heck as you even pointed out, the game should've just run on msq and gear progression because that's what's needed to go further. But SE did not stop at just that because realistically, that would've failed. They added a boat load of stuff because like any smart gaming company that creates mmos, the more features you have in the game, even the optional ones, the more you can reel in and possibly keep. The responsibility to make sure those optional features are up to standards go to the ones who make it.

If you feel Yoshida isn't out of touch because, as you like mentioning, it's on people for valuing optional content in the game and him making apathetic statements that further riles up people who value that content, then you and I have nothing further to discuss. If you want to explore and/or discuss realistic suggestions that could be made to housing in the game, other than trying to redirect players into leaving their houses to go to an apartment, I'm right here.

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Perhaps I didn't get my point across correctly. But your entire post is basically what I've been trying to argue.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

IIRC, personal housing was supposed to be separate from FC housing, but it isn't, and so we have the hot mess that we know as XIV's housing. I'm a big fan of instanced housing. Even with instanced housing, I've seen games that still allow you to have neighbors/friends in your instance (RIP Wildstar). As it is now, housing wards are pretty pointless. They're huge, and mostly dead - even on Balmung.

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Yeah, it was, wasn't it? I observed that FC houses weren't exactly selling hotly. Very few large houses (and when you have a large, active FC that actually did want to hang out, a small quickly became cramped feeling). There were more mediums than larges and they were an OK middle ground, but small houses were not really wanted for active and large FCs. Also, houses cost a lot back then. Not like now where gil rains from the heavens or legacy servers that kept their gil. A small was 5m - pretty hard to get back then when dungeons didn't drop any gil at all; 200k was considered rich. Larges were as high as 87m. I'd guess our current apartments were set up to be that affordable, separate personal housing, but because Yoshida didn't want the wards to stay as vacant as they were then, he just opened them up to FC and personal. That's just my speculation, though.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Yeah, it was, wasn't it? I observed that FC houses weren't exactly selling hotly. Very few large houses (and when you have a large, active FC that actually did want to hang out, a small quickly became cramped feeling). There were more mediums than larges and they were an OK middle ground, but small houses were not really wanted for active and large FCs. Also, houses cost a lot back then. Not like now where gil rains from the heavens or legacy servers that kept their gil. A small was 5m - pretty hard to get back then when dungeons didn't drop any gil at all; 200k was considered rich. Larges were as high as 87m. I'd guess our current apartments were set up to be that affordable, separate personal housing, but because Yoshida didn't want the wards to stay as vacant as they were then, he just opened them up to FC and personal. That's just my speculation, though.

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Larges went up to 200 million, smalls were 15 on some servers.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

The only thing WoW's transmog system has over the glamour system is account wide appearances being saved rather than having to hold onto items.

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Given our inventory bloat... that's a pretty big deal.

Don't have to grind appearances per character...
Don't have to drop by the inn anytime you want to apply an appearance without having to hold onto the appearance's source item...

Only step after that is to save appearances to slots, job-by-job, so that new gear doesn't force the use of a glamour prism of inn run, but that convenience likely might not be as worth the systemic hassle here as on WoW.

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Originally Posted by TheCurls

See, here’s the problem with this statement. People are still subscribed and paying SE money. You want things to be shaken up and changed, then stop giving them your money. I promise you that they’ll hear that far more readily than the entitled cries of people who want to keep a house in a game they no longer play. When you unsub, SE has to consider that you will never come back or else they waste resources that currently subbed players can use.

You hear an argument you don’t like and right away use the “white knight/fanboy/fangirl” defense and that’s dumb. I don’t care who is in charge of the game. All I care about is that they make a game I’m happy to give my money to and play. And while there are things I’d wish were different, and it might come as a shock to many of the people on these boards, some of us actually like this game.

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The last couple times WoWers decided collectively to "vote with their wallets", Blizzard doubled down on the things they quit over while deemphasizing the more ambitious developments those groups said were lacking from the present game.

You should never vote solely with your wallet or through boycott, etc.; it provides zero information to development while defunding it.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Also about apartments: We could have a deal Yoshida if we could buy unlimited apartments in all city states and buy more rooms for each apartment too. Otherwise...no apartments are not a good other way to have a house. As a FC you get no workshop, and for everyone you get no big garden plot. You have not outside space to decorate and the inside is so small that you can barely do anything with it. You could barely even use any of the house items they create per patch or throw into the events.

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Considering house interiors are already instanced, there's no reason why FCs couldn't have a workshop attached if FCs could buy apartments in addition to houses.

Most players I know with houses don't garden at all. If they have a garden plot placed, it's usually empty or at most being used for shards. It might be interesting one day when bored to survey all the houses and see which are using their garden plot and how many are intercross gardening (which is the only gardening that requires the outdoor plot, yield/HQ can still be achieved through the indoor flower pots).

Many also don't care about having a yard, it's the interior space they're looking for. Give apartments interior options comparable to house interiors and they'd become far more popular especially since there is no risk of auto-demo. That would open up more houses on the crowded worlds to FCs and players who do want to garden seriously.

As for the complaints about the wards being dead, why would anyone expect them to be busy? Think about the things that make a neighborhood feel busy in real life.

People traveling to/from work and school or on errands. We teleport everywhere, we don't have to follow the "roads" to exit a ward.

Homemakers doing chores. The only outdoor activity in housing to simulate this is gardening and even if you're a compulsive fertilizer with a large house it only takes a few minutes a day.

Children out playing. We have no children.

Someone throwing a party so people who don't live in the neighborhood come to visit for an afternoon/evening. How many players throw a party at their house on a regular basis?

The wards should feel dead. If players are online, they're more likely to be doing content elsewhere. It would be weird to be seeing the other 29 house owners in your ward all the time.