4.2 Housing Update

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

They are doing it right..There not punishing people who didnt break any rules..If they took homes away they would be in fact punishing people for following SE rules as they were at the time.

Unless if your idea is right is to punish people who did nothing wrong and followed the rules

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Yeah I want to punish them alllllll

many people with multiple houses has stated that they'd be okay with the full change if they'd get gil from the house back and could share their one personal house with all their alts in that server. I have an alt with no house but would love to share my mains house with that character as well.

I am against this whole multiple house shit but now it's unfair for all the new house buyers, they only get one house and the rest can keep theirs. I just wish it could be equal and fair for all. At least the house hoarders now won't be able to get squat.

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

If they took homes away they would be in fact punishing people for following SE rules as they were at the time.

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It's common practice IRL - If I legally acquired a gun today and tomorrow owning guns got outlawed, then I would not be punished for having owned a gun at some point, but I would get punished if I held onto it after the new rule was put in place. For people who have a car, this is second nature - Whenever there's a speed limit sign, the rules of the street change and you can't expect to have your 70 MPH grandfathered in after passing the 20 MPH sign, even though it was perfectly legal to drive that fast before passing it. You either adjust to the new rules or get punished.

Standard procedure for things like this is to set a date (or in the street case, a physical location) until which people need to adjust to the new rules, i.e. get rid of the items in question or slow down, then punish people if they are found with the items (or excessive speed) after the date (location). IRL, you typically end up paying a fine and have your item in question confiscated.

Returning the plot price and housing items to the respective owners in full would already be a nice gesture, really.

But that's a moot point to discuss if the reddit quote is correct - People will get grandfathered in because "circumstances on our end", i.e. dev ineptitude. At least it's working out for someone! :3

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Originally Posted by Zojha

At least it's working out for someone! :3

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ID sy its working out for both sides..you wont have multi house owners buying any new plots so all the new ones go to homless

Here are my questions:

1) Is it possible to buy a house for an FC that does not have one, if you already own two personals on the same realm?

2) Can a character who already has their two house limit even be in an FC with housing? This is probably a really stupid question, but...

3) Finally, if the answer to questions 1&2 is YES, what the hell happens if the FC leader goes inactive and leadership transfers to someone already at their housing cap? Can lead be transferred to someone who is at the cap?

My apologies if these seem like utterly ridiculous questions, but given how FCs work I do wonder if it is possible to work around the cap if one just patiently inherits a bunch of FCs with housing on the same server. Either this is possible, or SE has set up some way to restrict this, either if it's by limiting membership at all, or limiting inheritance/passing leadership. This is assuming FC leadership even matters. I hope we get more information before the patch.

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Originally Posted by fantasticm

Here are my questions:

1) Is it possible to buy a house for an FC that does not have one, if you already own two personals on the same realm?

2) Can a character who already has their two house limit even be in an FC with housing? This is probably a really stupid question, but...

3) Finally, if the answer to questions 1&2 is YES, what the hell happens if the FC leader goes inactive and leadership transfers to someone already at their housing cap? Can lead be transferred to someone who is at the cap?

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Making assumptions, but 1 & 2 should be yes. The system likely just checks against the requirements set for the type of housing being purchased. The 3rd the dev team would have to answer. One of the big loopholes I can see is passing that leadership and thus house ownership onto anyone else.

Anyone know if we will have a dev chat thing to get the FAQ about this change for accounts? I agree with many about if you have more then one personal house on the account right now.
Its not OUR fault that SE decides to say "Alt characters are treated as a fully separate character, no house sharing with your main account, etc"

Now if they are changing the rule to allow for alts to be assigned also as owner status to the house you have on your account. Awesome! About time!

Then the other issue is.. if they DO "force remove" houses... yea.. that would be a shit storm, cause how does the server know which house the person wants to keep? Etc.

Ill assume this maybe like how Ultima Online did it. You are grandfathered into your houses, but the new flags will only take effect if you try to buy a new house.

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Originally Posted by fantasticm

My apologies if these seem like utterly ridiculous questions, but given how FCs work I do wonder if it is possible to work around the cap if one just patiently inherits a bunch of FCs with housing on the same server. Either this is possible, or SE has set up some way to restrict this, either if it's by limiting membership at all, or limiting inheritance/passing leadership. This is assuming FC leadership even matters. I hope we get more information before the patch.

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It sounds like it would take a lot less than that to get 8 FC houses on the same account, and all that matters is the character clicking on the placard and selecting buy.

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Originally Posted by Mysticales

Anyone know if we will have a dev chat thing to get the FAQ about this change for accounts? I agree with many about if you have more then one personal house on the account right now.
Its not OUR fault that SE decides to say "Alt characters are treated as a fully separate character, no house sharing with your main account, etc"

Now if they are changing the rule to allow for alts to be assigned also as owner status to the house you have on your account. Awesome! About time!

Then the other issue is.. if they DO "force remove" houses... yea.. that would be a shit storm, cause how does the server know which house the person wants to keep? Etc.

Ill assume this maybe like how Ultima Online did it. You are grandfathered into your houses, but the new flags will only take effect if you try to buy a new house.

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There not removingmulti homes from people who have them now..its in the video https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...nally/dsxeu82/

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Originally Posted by Mysticales

Now if they are changing the rule to allow for alts to be assigned also as owner status to the house you have on your account. Awesome! About time!

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As far as I know Yoshida has said something about wanting to let all characters on a server have access to a home you own on that server, but that wasn't being implemented yet. It's still in the works so to speak.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

It sounds like it would take a lot less than that to get 8 FC houses on the same account, and all that matters is the character clicking on the placard and selecting buy.

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I don't mean to be That Guy but is there confirmation for this? I've seen a lot of rumors flying around as facts regarding these housing changes so I'm a bit wary. I do think it makes sense that the restriction would only apply to the account purchasing the plot (and possibly leadership), and not who is in the FC. Can you imagine if an FC couldn't buy their first house due to some members already being at their 2-house cap on that server? I feel like I'm catastrophizing here, but given SE's track record with housing... who knows!?!?