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Originally Posted by silverlunarfox

That's exactly what they would do. They would purposely drop their rank.

Or they use "smurf" (secondary) accounts.

This is rampant in other games that use ranking systems.

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Well again, I suppose that would be his prerogative in a system like this. It wouldn't be mine.

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

lol What tool? Segregation? That's all this is.
This is a "solution" for the lazy anti-socials that think they're all that and don't want to mix with the peasants.

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#lazyantisocialshaverightstoo

I'm also calling Sargon's Law here: you view them as peasantry, therefore you feel the "lazy anti-socials" must also view them as peasantry.

There's so many variables beyond dmg/heals/deaths in this game though. Would a rdm that gets amazing dps but doesn't throw out support when needed be a higher rank than one who can react to changing situations better with slightly lower dps? How about a player who can bait mechanics or prioritize targets better? I'm reminded of Overwatch matches where a match was lost due people chasing gold medal for kills but not playing the objective (and those golds being in single digits cause of the unending 1v2+)

On top of needing a stupidly fine-tuned grading system in the backend, this would only further segregate the queues and slow down DF. In an extreme scenario (while highly unlikely) players may even perform worse than they can to stay in a lower tier for faster queues despite the risks.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

#lazyantisocialshaverightstoo

I'm also calling Sargon's Law here: you view them as peasantry, therefore you feel the "lazy anti-socials" must also view them as peasantry.

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Is it Sargons Law or simply understanding that people who view themselves as betters often look down at others as peasants while standing above them and not wanting to mix with them though? Hmm.

And yes, lazy anti-socials have rights too. They have the right to be treated just like everyone else and not get any special treatment.

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

Is it Sargons Law or simply understanding that people who view themselves as betters often look down at others as peasants while standing above them and not wanting to mix with them though? Hmm.

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You're the first one to pop the word "peasants" and in the same post condescended to your entire opposition as nothing more than "lazy antisocials". You tell me.

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And yes, lazy anti-socials have rights too. They have the right to be treated just like everyone else and not get any special treatment.

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Cool, cool. So when do lazy dps get treated like everyone else?

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

There's so many variables beyond dmg/heals/deaths in this game though. Would a rdm that gets amazing dps but doesn't throw out support when needed be a higher rank than one who can react to changing situations better with slightly lower dps? How about a player who can bait mechanics or prioritize targets better?

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This-2. For me a good player is the one who 1)knows what teamwork means 2)can adjust their behavior according to the party composition and context 3)shows good momentary reaction, i.e. not "this usually goes so and so so I will mash my standard buttons no matter what" but what is needed in this very moment of the encounter. None of this has anything to do with any numbers.

Any secret hard match system for me rules out the social factor of the game, these two Ms in "MMO". Some people mentioned already that they don't mind being matched with less capable players or don't care about extra 5 min in a dungeon. I may add that at any time I would prefer a not perfect, but sociable, friendly and eager to learn player over a top-geared all-70 dbag who throws a hissy fit if the tiniest little thing goes not the way they planned.

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

Let's say this game was based on ranking. So you have either bronze, silver and gold ranks......

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In short, SPEED RUN reflects all above factors, moreover, actions for the group will be taken into account as well.

So I think YES but Ranks are based on completion time. (Time attack)

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

You're the first one to pop the word "peasants" and in the same post condescended to your entire opposition as nothing more than "lazy antisocials". You tell me.

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lol ok, I'm going to have to call Sargon's law on you.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

Cool, cool. So when do lazy dps get treated like everyone else?

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Every. Single. Day. No one gets special treatment by the game.

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

lol ok, I'm going to have to call Sargon's law on you.



Every. Single. Day. No one gets special treatment by the game.

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They do. They get away with it. It's like a kid who going to group assignmemt and half ass it, gets good grade bcause the rest managed.

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

They do. They get away with it. It's like a kid who going to group assignmemt and half ass it, gets good grade bcause the rest managed.

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You have the tools to deal with them as you did in grade school. Failing to take the appropriate steps yourself isn't the game giving them special treatment, it's you choosing to give them special treatment and accepting them as is.

As you could've as a group told your teacher of the students lack of participation and had them divorced from your groups grade you have the means to divorce yourselves from any player in your group you don't want there. If your group chooses to allow them to stay, that's your guys problem not the games or anyone elses.

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

lol ok, I'm going to have to call Sargon's law on you.

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Aside from calling Sargon's Law on you, I haven't accused you of anything. I have merely made observations of your behavior: in the same post that you claimed your entire opposition to be lazy antisocials, you also asserted they must think of other players as peasantry.