Petition to Lift Balmung Server Lock / Impact of Server Lock on FFXIV RP Community

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Our logic is perfectly sound. It seems to be you that is having a hard time grasping the idea that SE gets to call the shots, whether or not we agree. Yes, they are a business, and they do want to keep customers happy, however that does not mean that they have to implement every single demand their player base presents to them.

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Hold on Oaken, I got dis.

*Clears throat*

Fallacious Argument!

Circular Reasoning!

I don't have proof but I don't have to bring it! Everyone else should!


Did I do that right?

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Our logic is perfectly sound. It seems to be you that is having a hard time grasping the idea that SE gets to call the shots, whether or not we agree. Yes, they are a business, and they do want to keep customers happy, however that does not mean that they have to implement every single demand their player base presents to them. If and when they want to unlock Balmung, they will do so.

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You don't seem to understand that an "argument" that amounts to little more than a handful of uncritical consumers showing blind deference towards the decisions of a business entity isn't valid. You don't seem to understand that reasonable policies cannot be rooted in "BECAUSE X SAID SO." Indeed, we're grown adults: not mindless children who need to be told what to think by a benevolent authority figure (but, sadly, some seem content to base their views on that type of uncritical submission).

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

Hold on Oaken, I got dis.

*Clears throat*

Fallacious Argument!

Circular Reasoning!

I don't have proof but I don't have to bring it! Everyone else should!


Did I do that right?

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Judging by my urge to call you a petulant child who should quit their bellyaching I think you did a wonderful job.

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Originally Posted by Oaken

Please explain how your thought provoking response is distinguishable from: "the server is locked because SE says its locked and SE is right because it says its right."

I'm clearly not picking up on the subtle intricacies of this complex argument.

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Because that's not what he said, not even close. Do you even English?
His point was that the only ones that can see how the servers are actually handled is SE themselves.
You do not have access to that information. Do you work at SE? Didn't think so.

Stop trying to expand your vocabulary to make yourself sound intelligent. It isn't working.

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Originally Posted by Oaken

You don't seem to understand that an "argument" that amounts to little more than a handful of uncritical consumers showing blind deference towards the decisions of a business entity isn't valid. You don't seem to understand that reasonable policies cannot be rooted in "BECAUSE X SAID SO." Indeed, we're grown adults: not mindless children who need to be told what to think by a benevolent authority figure (but, sadly, some seem content to base their views on that type of uncritical submission).

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Have you read all of our post histories? How do you know we're not critical of SE? Just because we understand that SE controls the game and will do as they wish, it does not mean that we agree with all of their decisions. This really is not a hard concept to grasp.

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Originally Posted by Oaken

See responses to fallacious arguments 1 and 2.

I'll add that many paying subscribers (like myself) realize that SE operates a business, and business decisions are often influenced by consumer demand. When consumers demand something, businesses often listen to those demands.

That is the very function of a public forum like this: to apprise SE to subscriber requests.

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The RP community is a small fraction of the total player base, and within that community is a fraction that take serious issue with Balmung being locked.

That fraction of a fraction isn't going to spur SE into action with a few demands, no matter how many times he posts them.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

I'm going to guess his next response...

It's going to go something like "As I have undoubtedly said when I first began, your argument is baseless. Please refer to fallacious arguments 1 and 2. I have yet to see you provide an appropriate response that is grounded in correct knowledge."

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Originally Posted by Oaken

That's funny. I've yet to see a single substantive response that amounts to something greater than, "SE is SE and says server is over-populated, and they are right because they are SE, and SE will determine when the server is unlocked." The only thing that line of reasoning pokes holes into is itself. I can only point to the arguments made in the OP so many times. They are very simple to observe (especially the complete non-existence of server stability problems at the present time).

We are consumers. SE is a business; not a dictatorship. Businesses listen to the suggestions and expectations of consumers. The logic of some folks in this thread defeats the very purpose of a forum.

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lmao got it in one

Is this a real 9-page argument?

Or is this like...roleplay?:confused:

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Originally Posted by FinaSel

Is this a real 9-page argument?

Or is this like...roleplay?:confused:

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Its not even an argument.

The entire basis of the OP's "argument" is that SE saying Balmung is overpopulated is not a good reason to lock it because there's no evidence to prove that what SE is saying is true. When we ask him "as opposed to...?", he just keeps repeating that we're the ones with fallacious arguments and we should be the ones to provide evidence. As if SE has some kind conspiracy strictly targeted at Balmung and its trying to lie its way out of not locking it.

I want to say this has been the best kind of tinfoil babble about secret corporate hush-hush fooling the masses into believing anything they want but I've seen flat earth people do a better job than this.

I think the best thing that could be done.. and it would be a net gain investment for SE.. is to open an official RP server. Then allow free transfers from Balmung and other locked servers to the new one.

However.. to discourage non-RPers (but not block them) from flooding into a new server. There would be some notable rules. Novice Network and Zone chat is disabled. The only way to talk outside of proximity based chats would be Free Company and Linkshells. The emphasis would be on community.

In addition, proximity chats are limited to IC chatter only, no OOC or out of game chat allowed in /say, /yell, or /shout. OOC chat but not out of game chat would be allowed in /party (duty finder dungeons don't have the restriction, nor do cross realm parties). Free companies and link shells can have their own restrictions as they do now.

Detrimental actions targeting roleplayers on the server are actionable as if such thing was one degree worse (1 day suspension becomes 3, 3 becomes 7, 7 becomes permaban).

I think that would serve well, and those rules aren't made up. I've taken them from other MMOs that had RP servers. They're basically industry standard. Or at least they were in the early 2000's.