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Originally Posted by Fyce

The real question is why playing a role (or even a game) which doesn't fulfill your preferences?
It's like having a whole buffet infront of you but choosing the thing which doesn't really appeal to you when other alternatives you may like better are available all over the place.

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I don't need to justify why I play this game to you. I will simply say that enjoying a game in part means to also point out areas that need improvement.

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Originally Posted by HoodRat

Not everyone thinks it's helpful to heal people who have full hp.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

It's not a choice. It's the expected playstyle in this game. >_> There is no REASON to heal more because there is no more damage to heal. That's not a choice.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Because it's a complete waste? Cure II heals for 14k. Why am I going to spam the tank to full HP when they're in no danger whatsoever?

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Well, that's kind of the point I was trying to make... guess sarcasm doesn't work here. :)

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Originally Posted by Missbone

If people cant handle that im only focusing on what a healers job is (its the same in every mmo no matter how the playstyle is) thats not my problem.

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Actually it is, because the one who is subject to being votekicked for standing around doing nothing is you.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

Just because a healer has also dmg skills for solo content it dosnt mean that he needs to use them while in group.

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And why do you think that these skills are only made for solo content? That's a completly absurd thing to say in a MMORPG where most content added to the game is multiplayer.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

Have ever read sutch nonses about healers in any other mmo? Maybe SE should simply increase the manacost multiplier for dmg skills in dungeons and raids by 3x or 4x, maybe than people will understand that its not a healers job to do dmg. Damage from healers should be allways only be optional (if the healer feels like it) and never a must have.

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Don't play a Final Fantasy game if you don't want "healers" not to have damage spells.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

But maybe i should also start explaining DDs and Tanks how they should play there class if they dont perform how i like. Im sure i will make many friends this way. :D

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Your own personal views on what should be doing each roles in Final Fantasy XIV don't override how the game is actually designed.
It's not because you only want to heal that the game should give you what you want.

It's your responsability to find a game which suits your needs, not the other way around. Especially in a multiplayer game.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I don't need to justify why I play this game to you. I will simply say that enjoying a game in part means to also point out areas that need improvement.

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We are not speaking about a minor issue, but a whole design decision which impact the entire game's battle system and classes. What you're asking is not an "improvement", it's a complete overhaul. And that's not a reasonable thing to ask.
Besides, since it's a sujective preference, for other people it may not be an "improvement" at all. So, again, deal with it or find another game.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

When im queing as healer its because i want to heal and i refuse to use any dmg skill (except it refills my mana or stuff like that) while im in a healrole. If people cant handle that im only focusing on what a healers job is (its the same in every mmo no matter how the playstyle is) thats not my problem.

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A lot of people don't like players with this kind of attitude and it is for good reasons.

If you are unwilling to compromise at all then don't be surprised if others don't compromise for you and therefore kick you out of their party since you purposefully refuse to do any DPS on healer and not due to lack of skill. You simply believe that since you are healer you don't have to do DPS even though you could to help.

Why should players who expect healers to do at least a little DPS compromise for you if you are unwilling to ever compromise for them?

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Well, that's kind of the point I was trying to make... guess sarcasm doesn't work here. :)

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With the things I've seen people say on this game's forums, it's hard to tell what's serious and what's not.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

And why do you think that these skills are only made for solo content? That's a completly absurd thing to say in a MMORPG where most content added to the game is multiplayer.

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Because a player has to be able to quest through the MSQ regardless of starting job. This is how it works in other MMOs, so it's not unreasonable for someone to presume that's how it works in FFXIV.

Now, does FFXIV work a bit differently? Yes. There's very little actual healing demand, which has resulted in an expectation of healer DPS in order for healers to fully contribute to the group. Is it wrong for someone to expect healers to heal? No.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

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It seems you didng got the joke and why should i care about your loadstone? Do you whant me to see how big your d...g is or what? Oo Im also aware how it works in the other FF Parts, but that dosnt mean that something that works in an offline game is as good in an mmo. Good for you if you are to do dmg in a group, but like i said for a healer this allways should be optional and never a must have.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Because a player has to be able to quest through the MSQ regardless of starting job. This is how it works in other MMOs, so it's not unreasonable for someone to presume that's how it works in FFXIV.

Now, does FFXIV work a bit differently? Yes. There's very little actual healing demand, which has resulted in an expectation of healer DPS in order for healers to fully contribute to the group. Is it wrong for someone to expect healers to heal? No.

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Nobody is saying that healers shouldn't heal. What people are saying is that given how FFXIV is designed, healers shouldn't heal all the time.
If you want to use strawman arguments, at least try to make them harder to debunk.

And, again, it's not a simple "expectaction", it's how the game is designed. You are not only arguing against the people who like the way things are, but you are arguing against the game itself.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

Im also aware how it works in the other FF Parts, but that dosnt mean that something that works in an offline game is as good in an mmo.

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Not all games are the same. Including MMORPGs. If this one is designed around the fact that you have downtime to use damage spells, then that's how it is. Again, you are trying to make a general rule out of a subjective preference. That's absurd.
Final Fantasy XIV plays like Final Fantasy XIV. Saying "but in some other games healers only heal!" is completly irrelevant. Nobody cares about how it's done in other games. They have no authority to dictate anything, nor do you.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

But maybe i should also start explaining DDs and Tanks how they should play there class if they dont perform how i like. Im sure i will make many friends this way. :D

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Alas, that would be hypocritical since you don't play healers efficiently. Whether you like it or not, disregarding a third of your abilities because "I should only have to heal" means you aren't good at the role. A RDM spamming Vercure occasionally is more useful than a WHM who stands completely still for several minutes. If you only want to heal, FFXIV just isn't that style of game.

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Originally Posted by Miste

A lot of people don't like players with this kind of attitude and it is for good reasons.

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Well maybe its a bad attiude if i have some principles, i cant help that. Its not my fault if the game gives me to less to do as healer, but honestly most time i dont feel this way. If people realy belive its bad behavior doing nothing sometimes for 3-5 seconds before the next hit comes than they have far greater problems then my playstyle. I would never expect from a tank or dd to help me with healing or a dd to tank thats not their job, so from my point of view its not realy unfair if i only focus on healing.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

A RDM spamming Vercure occasionally is more useful than a WHM who stands completely still for several minutes. If you only want to heal, FFXIV just isn't that style of game.

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Sry but i have no idea what you talking about, i never had a single run where i didnt need to do anything. Like i said above, the biggest breake i had from time to time where like 3-5 seconds. Doing nothing looks a bit else to me sry. Btw. if a RDM would spam Vercure all the time he would be oom pretty fast.