BLM does make sense: A canoical study.

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11-11-2011, 06:25 AM
Neptune

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Neptune, I ask you to admit that you have not read (or fully understood) the entire original post, which details that the only TP moves each has show the umbral and astral contrast, which is entirely true.

And I did not say that spirit and phantom are direct representatives of White and black, however the references do historically have a lighter and darker connotation, respectively. SE has provided backgrounds to both jobs based on the quotes, the official site, and even character creation, which are distinct and leave few shades of gray.

I have read your post completely. Right now your OP says "Supporting evidence that Conjurers have Canonical White Mage backgrounds" and you have have not shown how a TP move is canonical. In fact you have not shown how anything in your post is canonical.

For a start you could correct your post to state that you have supporting evidence that Conjurers have a light connotation and Thaumaturges have a dark connotation.
11-11-2011, 06:29 AM
Coglin

Neptune, go read the spell list for BLM and WHM for every Final fantansy game.

I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts you do not even know how many FF games there are. Then I am sure any FF game that contradicts your scewed view of what a BLM spell is and a WHM spell is, you will just claim "its not a true game of the series".

Funny thing is Neptune claimed the OP id no well written, yet it is factually accurat to the devs dipiction and all of Neptunes are false. As the OP support the current fact that CON-WHM & THM-BLM. All Neptunes post argue against that. I guess he also did not get the memo.

Neptune says
"I have read your post completely. Right now your OP says "Supporting evidence that Conjurers have Canonical White Mage backgrounds" and you have have not shown how a TP move is canonical. In fact you have not shown how anything in your post is canonical."

Devs say "Everything about CON at the moment is canonical, and thus there job is WHM"

One of these quotes is unknowledgable, unfactual, and incorrect jibberish.

One of these quotes is fact suportd by devs statement that CON-WHM. Can you tell which one is which

Umm, Neptune, it may be entirely too much basic common sense for you to grasp, BUT, they did decide that CON-WHM and THM-BLM, there for everything in the OP supports that CON have Canonical White Mage background.
11-11-2011, 06:39 AM
Neptune

It's not about me it's about whether information that claims to be accurate is in fact accurate. Which it's not, because it's not canonical on any grounds.
11-11-2011, 06:49 AM
Baxter

Each final fantasy is an incarnation of each other though not an exact copy. Very rarely are they fitted together with the same exact intricacies. With that in mind isn't it safe to say that a common theme with the Black Mage job is that it's a mage that use destructive magicks, and most of that magic just happens to be the signature elemental spells, but at it's core the most devastating magicks in a Black Mage's arsenal are always neutral or dark. Bio, Osmose, Poison, Demi, Meteor/Comet, Flare, Death?

I think its pointless to gripe over lore just yet. Lets see how Yoshi will intricately weave these jobs and their lore into the existing storyline. If it doesn't jive then we light the torches, and raise the pitch forks.
11-11-2011, 06:51 AM
Coglin

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Originally Posted by Neptune

It's not about me it's about whether information that claims to be accurate is in fact accurate. Which it's not, because it's not canonical on any grounds.

Thats your false assumption, and based on pure opinion, which was also incorrect in debating this before the class jobs went to were released as well. You were wrong then too.

Just because you stand on the hill looking out on the horion and it looks flat and open to you, does not make it any more logical for you to argue that the world is flat. CON is gonna be WHM and the world is round. You can argue the logic behind it all you like. You will just be wrong. The proof is in the pudding. Your words are hollow and you are wrong. Just because you don't want to admit it doesn't make it less true.

Now, someone start a thread about the earth revolving around the sun, so they can argue against the facts on that too.
11-11-2011, 06:55 AM
Neptune

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coglin

Thats your false assumption, and based on pure opinion, which was also incorrect in debating this before the class jobs went to were released as well. You were wrong then too.

Just because you stand on the hill looking out on the horion and it looks flat and open to you, does not make it any more logical for you to argue that the world is flat. CON is gonna be WHM and the world is round. You can argue the logic behind it all you like. You will just be wrong. The proof is in the pudding. Your words are hollow and you are wrong. Just because you don't want to admit it doesn't make it less true.

Now, someone start a thread about the earth revolving around the sun, so they can argue against the facts on that too.

It's easy to talk but why don't you try to prove it?
11-11-2011, 07:02 AM
Coglin

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Originally Posted by Neptune

It's easy to talk but why don't you try to prove it?

Be at the "Blue Oyster" on 5th at 7pm. All yu are confussed about the universe will be proven to you at that point.
11-11-2011, 07:03 AM
NadienKirisame

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neptune

It's easy to talk but why don't you try to prove it?

Coglin... he wants you to prove to him the world is round... hehe

The cat is playful =^.^=
11-11-2011, 07:13 AM
Coglin

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Originally Posted by NadienKirisame

Coglin... he wants you to prove to him the world is round... hehe

The cat is playful =^.^=

Okay
http://images.search.yahoo.com/image...fr=slv8-swat02

And if that doesn't help you.

Be at the "Blue Oyster" on 5th at 7pm. All yu are confussed about the universe will be proven to you at that point. I promise.
11-11-2011, 07:18 AM
Duuude007

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Originally Posted by Neptune

It's not about me it's about whether information that claims to be accurate is in fact accurate. Which it's not, because it's not canonical on any grounds.

can·on1 [kan-uhn]
noun
A rule or law enacted by a council or other competent authority.

So you claim to be a competent authority. Moreso than the Dev team. Tell me then sir, why did they establish the npc's which say these things that contradict your assertions?

You challenge THM is WHM because of Ressurect. I Challenge that this is inadmissable evidence because CNJ has Raise (not to mention raise II and rebirth)

You challenge THM is WHM because of superior astral-based skills. Here are the true ratios:

THM
Umbral-based skills:29
Astral-based skills: 5

CNJ
Umbral-based skills:19
Astral-based skills:30

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