Speed-running cut-scene skippers...

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Originally Posted by Cubester

No, it doesn't. YOU want to run the dungeon in a way it was not intended to be run. Therefore the burden is on YOU to form a premade group for your run. Not to mention there are probably more disgruntled 50's running around making it a lot easier for you to form a group outside of DF than it is for story runners...

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And how do you know how it was intended to run? Are you one of the devs? Why do you think the option to skip cutscenes and rewatch every cutscene in the inn exists? Or are you trying to say a dungeon that is the most efficient way to get endgame gear, wasn't meant to be ran for endgear? It very well works both ways, no matter how hard you try to deny it.

Not splitting gear and story dungeons, or making it so that after finishing the story dungeon you unlock the gear version of said dungeon (Kinda like GW2 I suppose) was simply a dumb move by SE. Just look at it. You complete a dungeon ONCE for the storyline. You complete it OVER AND OVER for gear afterwards. Who do you think is the larger population in the DF? Firsttimers or people farming gear?

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

The minute they made the end game dungeons the best available source of Tombs, they MADE it intended to be speed ran. And regardless of what you, me, or anyone else says, there will always be people who watch the cutscenes (which is fine), and those who finish the dungeon without them.

Blame game design for end game stories giving tombs.

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they didn't intend it to be speed ran why? because ak was buffed up because they ran it as fast as they could and skipped alot? so intended it because it is one of the few ways to get ToPs? no there is other dungeons are they as fast no, but blaming game design for players skipping scenes? no the players fault not the games.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

they didn't intend it to be speed ran why? because ak was buffed up because they ran it as fast as they could and skipped alot? so intended it because it is one of the few ways to get ToPs? no there is other dungeons are they as fast no, but blaming game design for players skipping scenes? no the players fault not the games.

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From what I could decipher from your post, here's my response:

It wasn't buffed because AK had stupidly fast speed runs (if that's what you were saying, I can barely understand your post). They nerfed AK to fix that. And it is bad game design to force players who have done the dungeon over and over again to play with people who have never done it before. If they had a duty finder option to choose between story and non story groups, I'm sure we'd all be happier.

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

From what I could decipher from your post, here's my response:

It wasn't buffed because AK had stupidly fast speed runs (if that's what you were saying, I can barely understand your post). They nerfed AK to fix that. And it is bad game design to force players who have done the dungeon over and over again to play with people who have never done it before. If they had a duty finder option to choose between story and non story groups, I'm sure we'd all be happier.

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nerfed would mean that it was weaker or easier, they made it so you couldn't by pass the trash all the time slowing it down, aka buffing the dungeon, but they do not force you to play with anyone you don't want to, duty finder is a choice to use, saying that you're forced to play with anyone is an exaggeration. the players are intended to watch the cut-scenes first run or 100th doesn't matter you are in fact going against it when you say skip scenes. it is not bannable or even harassment but watching them are intended.

really selfish of you to demand other 7 people adjust to YOUR playstyle and waste time to acomodate YOUR whims. if you want to play your way go find likeminded people in chat. this is duty finder etiquete

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

the players are intended to watch the cut-scenes first run or 100th doesn't matter you are in fact going against it when you say skip scenes. it is not bannable or even harassment but watching them are intended.

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Cool. Show me where SE says in any way, shape or form that they intend for you to watch the cut scenes on your 100th attempt. I guess that's why there isn't a 'skip cutscene' option.... waitaminute...

and unrelated:

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Originally Posted by TacoTheTaru

Oh really? The vast majority are employed by a small minority and will do what they are told or will be out of a job.

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That analogy doesn't work since all of us are peers. Someone above you at a job position (such as in your example) is not your peer. I don't agree with him, per se, but your analogy is not accurate when it comes to your peers at your job (which everyone playing this game is; peers).

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Originally Posted by TacoTheTaru

Really? Who is being selfish here, someone who wants to experience the dungeon and story the way it was created or the other 7 people who are only losing some time? That time that they are losing is being spent playing a game so it really isn't as if they are losing time doing something important.

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"only losing some time." Just had to LOL at this statement.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

so if it wasn't intended to be watched over more then once why is there a skip button? why not just only have the scene the very first time and never again?

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So you would have the OPTION to watch it if you would choose to do so. Same in EVERY other MMO ever.

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Originally Posted by Edgetheninja

All I can do is laugh about this thread..... why don't you do this... why don't you do that.....

Everyone thinks that just because they bought the game (at one time or another) that they are ENTITLED to make people do things THEIR way.....

Grow up - try to apply that logic to real life, let me know how that goes. Here is a hint: Majority rules....

If you want something done YOUR way you MAKE it happen aka your own groups. Don't expect everyone to do what you want when your not making it yourself.

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Oh really? The vast majority are employed by a small minority and will do what they are told or will be out of a job.

There should be an option to Queue up for Story Mode and Re-Play mode. With Replay not playing an cutscenes. That would help seperate those that want story and those that dont care. Obviously people may have longer wait times for Story mode, but at least they cant complain.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

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Originally Posted by Freakiie

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Yep, you're right. There are more speedrunners than story runners. Which is exactly what I said to begin with.
And this is also why it's a lot easier for speedrunners to form a premade group than for story runners. It just means they can't be lazy and antisocial anymore. Oh noes! we have to actually communicate in an online game!

I simply can't grasp how people fail to see this, unless it's just because they don't want to.

And now for a portion of sarcasm: yes, I'm absolutely sure Square made a story mode dungeon with the intention of speed running it, hurting a lot of people in the process. /sigh

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Originally Posted by razzgrizz3

really selfish of you to demand other 7 people adjust to YOUR playstyle and waste time to acomodate YOUR whims. if you want to play your way go find likeminded people in chat. this is duty finder etiquete

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Really? Who is being selfish here, someone who wants to experience the dungeon and story the way it was created or the other 7 people who are only losing some time? That time that they are losing is being spent playing a game so it really isn't as if they are losing time doing something important.