A Grave State Of Affairs

when game has you MING NUMBINGLY grind for gear in only 2 locations that long and boring, people get agitated and very inpatient. i don't even think in AK/CS anymore i just enter autopilot and sink deep into music i listen while doing them, no challenge whatsoever. AK should drop ilvl70 pieces especially body armour, i don't mind some grind but excessive grind this game has doesn't help anyone, game just NOT FUN. When you hit with realization that to be able to take part in FC BC raids you have to grind away pretty much all your free time.
I'm NOT defending people that being assholes to others, i just think that some of the problems will alleviate with SE respecting free time of players.

Bottom line is this is Internet - there are rude people in it whether we like it or not and theres not a damn thing you and i or SE for that matter can do make them all disappear. This has been ongoing for years its now just more prominent because much more larger interest in gaming and growth of MMO industry.
Im pretty sure everyone here is also exagrerrating the whole issue i myself completed over 40 DF runs and i ran into 2 douchebags so far - their not out there in every corner of map just waiting to ruin your day.

I simply learned to ignore those people few years @ WoW and dealing with those people on daily dungeon runs makes it wash over you like its nothing i certainly wont allow some random kid with emotional disorder to ruin my day and neither should you. I dont argue with them either its like wrestling with pig you both get dirty and pig enjoys it.
Grow some thick skin people for gods sake...or maybe internet isnt a place for you if you get shaken so easily.

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

oh...the irony,selfish player call the other selfish :D

FYI: Ifrit & garuda are do able with 6-7 men, so carry 1-2 newbie no hurt at all.

Edit (add): This is a discussion, cursed words are no need and not welcome, please keep it in mind

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Sounds a lot like a guy in my old FC. Loves tossing "selfish" around a lot to describe people that won't fate grind and play the game his way (GET TO 50 NAO OMG) . Ironically he bought his relic wins too. Ironic, and yet unsurprising.

Who the bloody hell uses DF to speed run Prae or CM?

If you do that, ou're an idiot. Simply put. If I join a DF CM or PRae, I'll wait for people to watch CS and take it as a slow run, not a speed run.

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Originally Posted by Vagdal

Bottom line is this is Internet - there are rude people in it whether we like it or not and theres not a damn thing you and i or SE for that matter can do make them all disappear. This has been ongoing for years its now just more

prominent because much more larger interest in gaming and growth of MMO industry.
Im pretty sure everyone here is also exagrerrating the whole issue i myself completed over 40 DF runs and i ran into 2 douchebags so far - their not out there in every corner of map just waiting to ruin your day.

I simply learned to ignore those people few years @ WoW and dealing with those people on daily dungeon runs makes it wash over you like its nothing i certainly wont allow some random kid with emotional disorder to ruin my day and neither should you. I dont argue with them either its like wrestling with pig you both get dirty and pig enjoys it.
Grow some thick skin people for gods sake...or maybe internet isnt a place for you if you get shaken so easily.

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ecxept that my DF experience consists/consisted 80% of that, not to mention the ones on the server themself. I have found so far 2 people that are really cool and nice, kind of tragic.

Yeah well in FF11 and other MMOs there was a reason they called linkshells your lifeline. Of course you're going to have a shitty time if you PUG everything. This game is chock full of FCs right now, no matter what server you're on. Go to the recruitment forums and join one that isn't shitty.

I honestly feel bad for people who pugged castrum/praetorium for their story runs. That's no way to do it.

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Originally Posted by Zeretal

this statement is whats wrong with this.. i will not skip anything i pay for this game i will watch it as it happens fuck the inn im just lucky im tank so when ppl run in they get fucked and i laugh

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Completely agree with this (and the OP)

I'm watching this stuff as it happens, and as the healer...good luck telling me otherwise. My roommate is lower level and I go with him to all of the group content and have told him "If you want to watch the cutscenes then watch them. Don't let the rest of the team tell you otherwise". If anyone harasses him about it, I watch the cutscenes with him.

Also, when I took him through Stone Vigil the tank wasn't holding aggro on anything(at the end he admitted he's played for only 10 days and FATE farmed his way up) and the other BLM only spammed Fire III nonstop the whole run and not on the tank's target which made aggro worse. When it got to the final boss and my friend was watching the cutscene they were bitching that we were running out of time and he needs to skip it. I went off on them, saying that if they knew how to play their job we wouldn't have had so many wipes and been short on time. I shouldn't have snapped, but I was at my limit since I WAS actually trying to give them tips throughout the run that they completely disregarded. They told me I should just do my job and let them do theirs(wrong)...<.<

Also, as far as ppl requiring Relics for AK...it's not that hard and AK is one of the requirements to even get a relic in the first place.

"I don't have time to waste"
"I take this seriously"
People gotta have experience before experiencing what they are gonna experience.
People get agitated repeating the same dungeon.

Did all of this social shit fuck so much your minds, pushing you to grow your epeen till it bangs your forehead to show it off to all the people around you?
Where did the times when gaming was a pastime, something to relax and cool off after a stressing working day go?
Here I see people that work more and get even more stressed while playing.

What's the problem if you die, if you take 10, 20, 30 more minutes to complete a dungeon, if you'll get that shameful black latex subligar that costs 1 month of farming tomorrow instead of today?
You don't have time? Is your life going to end tomorrow? Is the world ending and none said anything to me?
Or are you racing? Against who and for what? Will you profit from "winning"? A win that lasts less than few minutes, maybe seconds, because someone else, somewhere else in the world just gained the same achievement.
A sense of victory that lasts so short that immediately requires more satisfaction… more, more and more until playing is not fun anymore but a drug.

If this is how you "play" make yourself a favour and quit before you burn yourself.

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Originally Posted by Azazela

*Players screaming at other players freshly turned 50 for watching the cutscenes within Castrum Meridianum and The Praetorium.

Skip them and watch them at the Inn. I did that, didnt want to burden the people that were carrying me for the first time.

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For the people watching the cutscene it may help to set the mood. I also skip cutscenes as I don't want to burden others, but I'm not going to berate someone else if they do want to watch it. Watching at the inn afterwards only goes so far when you don't have the context of your actions before and after anymore. This includes how it made you feel as you knew you were about to do something which could be considered big.

I wonder how many people that pressure new players into skipping cutscenes also watched their own cutscenes the first time they were in a dungeon.