Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

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Originally Posted by Remolia

If portrait in Warning state -> Regen portrait using new gear, without changing anything else. Instead making new portrait with default settings. Or when making a new portait run import subfunction, from previous portrait, since import function already implemented.

here, fix is ready.

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This ignores the weird bug i get when i change jobs/classes too fast(? - dk if that's the reason) where the portrait is in warning and for some reason can't be regenerated.

Your solution also needs to be ran all the time unless there is a hook on "portrait in warning state" which idk if there is. It will also change the portrait even if the player doesn't want that. Idk why you wouldn't but still.

The job df should be easier because you can already not que as blue mage, if your ilevel is too low, if you haven't unlocked all the content needed, or are on a gatherer/crafter.

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Originally Posted by BRVV

This ignores the weird bug i get when i change jobs/classes too fast(? - dk if that's the reason) where the portrait is in warning and for some reason can't be regenerated.

Your solution also needs to be ran all the time unless there is a hook on "portrait in warning state" which idk if there is. It will also change the portrait even if the player doesn't want that. Idk why you wouldn't but still.

The job df should be easier because you can already not que as blue mage, if your ilevel is too low, if you haven't unlocked all the content needed, or are on a gatherer/crafter.

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I am talking about basic functionality, ofc there may be bugs. But right now Portraits are missing bare minimum stuff to just Work, even if u dont spam job change very fast.
My point is that this portraits can be fixed very ez, but devs does not fix them, pretending the problem does not exits, and here people ask devs about basic Job check after level ~35-50.

All of this portrait stuff just seems like you deflecting from your choice to roll as a class, rather than a job? If you want to play like that, you should be doing it through PF. If you cannot fill through PF, maybe that is a hint that the way you play is not actually supported by the community.
Square should just ditch the job stones as "equipable" items. You get it rewarded to you, on completing of the lvl 30 class quests (or the job quest, for later expansions) and it loads automatically when you change jobs, with the class role no longer available to load past 30. In PF, you can also select specific class/jobs that can join. I don't see why they can't do that for DF, just make the class roles unable to join duties above 30.

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Originally Posted by OgruMogru

Got Royal City of Rabanastre with a WHOLE BUNCH of new players and it was a beautiful disaster. We slowly and painfully wiped on Matteus! I got to see all the old mechanics I'd forgotten all about! We had tank dc and replace into that tank insta dcing. It was super fun! It's been a long time since it was like that

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I envy that, the "longest" Matteus fight i got was after finishing the bubble + frog part...

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

All of this portrait stuff just seems like you deflecting from your choice to roll as a class, rather than a job? If you want to play like that, you should be doing it through PF. If you cannot fill through PF, maybe that is a hint that the way you play is not actually supported by the community.
Square should just ditch the job stones as "equipable" items. You get it rewarded to you, on completing of the lvl 30 class quests (or the job quest, for later expansions) and it loads automatically when you change jobs, with the class role no longer available to load past 30. In PF, you can also select specific class/jobs that can join. I don't see why they can't do that for DF, just make the class roles unable to join duties above 30.

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Because changing simple things in game is very hard for the devs right now, thats why I brought the portrait system as example: a broken feature, which requires a very simple fix, but nobody fix it.

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

All of this portrait stuff just seems like you deflecting from your choice to roll as a class, rather than a job? If you want to play like that, you should be doing it through PF. If you cannot fill through PF, maybe that is a hint that the way you play is not actually supported by the community.
Square should just ditch the job stones as "equipable" items. You get it rewarded to you, on completing of the lvl 30 class quests (or the job quest, for later expansions) and it loads automatically when you change jobs, with the class role no longer available to load past 30. In PF, you can also select specific class/jobs that can join. I don't see why they can't do that for DF, just make the class roles unable to join duties above 30.

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Because it's pure whataboutism and nothing more.

Even if SE changed it on the very next patch, you can already bet that she would be screaming on the forums about it, telling them to revert and attempting to point out how they ruined the game for so many players who also refuse to play without a job stone.

Admittedly not something I experienced, rather borrowed from a thread on Reddit:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...116628a4f28fa&

I mean, I can't claim to be good at the game (actually pretty terrible at it) but even I'm not that clueless!

I still have no idea how people come to the conclusion that LB should only be for bosses and never for trash. It's the same argument as "saving cooldowns" when they'll be off cooldown later if you use them now. Like refusing to use Guren as Samurai because you want to use Senei on the boss; you have a perfectly good attack that's sitting there, does a lot of damage, and in fact would do a hell of a lot more than Senei against a single target. But because of sheer stubbornness, just doesn't get used.

A resource is a resource, and sitting on that resource when it's full wastes future uses of that resource, doesn't matter if it's Beast Gauge, Kenki, a cooldown, Limit Break, etc.

The only reason I end up not using LB on trash is because I'm forgetful and too busy bursting to realise that LB is available as RDM :)

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Admittedly not something I experienced, rather borrowed from a thread on Reddit:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...116628a4f28fa&

I mean, I can't claim to be good at the game (actually pretty terrible at it) but even I'm not that clueless!

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I'm not sure if you support the healer or not (not a native, sorry if I missed the irony), but he's clearly throwing a tantrum. The lb is misused (and still, sometimes using it on a pack can avoid a wipe AND be more interesting), so what? It's going to waste 1 minute on the boss? My God. Between the player who refuses to understand that doing without his job stone = asking others to PL him, and those who grumble about a tiny "loss of time"... Phew.

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Another rant (again): Doma Castle, I tell the tank he can totally w2w and not just take two packs. The player is level 90, very good stuff, dps too, normally no worries. It was really nicely said ("feel free to w2w if you feel like it :)" ), and I wasn't planning to go pull or yell at anyone if he didn't.

He promptly started to slow down, taking one pack after another. It took a long time.

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

I'm not sure if you support the healer or not (not a native, sorry if I missed the irony), but he's clearly throwing a tantrum. The lb is misused (and still, sometimes using it on a pack can avoid a wipe AND be more interesting), so what? It's going to waste 1 minute on the boss? My God. Between the player who refuses to understand that doing without his job stone = asking others to PL him, and those who grumble about a tiny loss of time... Phew.

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Another rant (again): Doma Castle, I tell the tank he can totally w2w and not just take two packs. The player is level 90, very good stuff, dps too, normally no worries. It was really nicely said ("feel free to w2w if you feel like it :)" ), and I wasn't planning to go pull or yell at anyone if he didn't.

He promptly started to slow down, taking one pack after another. It took a long time.

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No - don't support the quoted healer at all. Whatsoever.

I mean, I use LB on trash mobs fairly often and it's been a bit of a godsend on occasion. Though I do recall a RDM asking me "WTF with the LB?" once when I used it to all but clear a troublesome trash mob near the end of 'The Fell Court of Troia'.

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

All of this portrait stuff just seems like you deflecting from your choice to roll as a class, rather than a job? If you want to play like that, you should be doing it through PF. If you cannot fill through PF, maybe that is a hint that the way you play is not actually supported by the community.
Square should just ditch the job stones as "equipable" items. You get it rewarded to you, on completing of the lvl 30 class quests (or the job quest, for later expansions) and it loads automatically when you change jobs, with the class role no longer available to load past 30. In PF, you can also select specific class/jobs that can join. I don't see why they can't do that for DF, just make the class roles unable to join duties above 30.

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And just to add a comment: it would also save airheads like me having to go back to an old class; forgetting that I didn't "register" the outfit correctly; and having to apologize profusely to my hilarious companions when I arrive in a dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

No - don't support the quoted healer at all. Whatsoever.

I mean, I use LB on trash mobs fairly often and it's been a bit of a godsend on occasion. Though I do recall a RDM asking me "WTF with the LB?" once when I used it to all but clear a troublesome trash mob near the end of 'The Fell Court of Troia'.

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Aight, sorry for the lack of understanding from my part !

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

Aight, sorry for the lack of understanding from my part !

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No worries - and probably could've phrased my post a little better!

Nonetheless, I am curious regarding just how many players do think that saving the LB to try and finish off a weakened final boss is the norm.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

No worries - and probably could've phrased my post a little better!

Nonetheless, I am curious regarding just how many players do think that saving the LB to try and finish off a weakened final boss is the norm.

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A lot. Most don't even use it for intermediate bosses, even when the rhythm would allow LB to be slammed twice.

LB usage is so bad in the community. In ARs it is constantly not used at all before reset and there are so many who in dungeons or trials only use it for melee, on the boss, when the boss has like 4% left. Like gee thanks you killed it when an auto-attack could have done the job...

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Originally Posted by BRVV

LB usage is so bad in the community. In ARs it is constantly not used at all before reset and there are so many who in dungeons or trials only use it for melee, on the boss, when the boss has like 4% left. Like gee thanks you killed it when an auto-attack could have done the job...

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Thats just a power fantasy play, because people like to see the big LB attack finish the boss. It doesnt bother me at all when a dungeon run is going smoothly. If you have a capable tank, capable healer, good dps, and no dicey moments, then it doesnt matter if they save it. Also doesnt matter if its used during a pull.

When it does matter is when things are looking iffy and people dont use it.

I dont get why people would complain about it being used during pulls. Outside of someone not knowing the mechanics during bosses, its the pulls that pose a risk and where groups are most likely to wipe.

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Originally Posted by Tiramu

Thats just a power fantasy play, because people like to see the big LB attack finish the boss

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Had people insist on it being used to finish the boss

If i'm on ranged I use it on the last big pack. Then if on the final boss, it fills up, boss is below 15% and melee hasn't used it, i'm throwing a ranged lb again >.>

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Originally Posted by BRVV

LB usage is so bad in the community. In ARs it is constantly not used at all before reset and there are so many who in dungeons or trials only use it for melee, on the boss, when the boss has like 4% left. Like gee thanks you killed it when an auto-attack could have done the job...

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The only time I get frustrated is when LB3 is used by a non-healer whenever the boss is at 47% health, the healers are struggling to bring everyone back to life, and most players in the alliance are KO'd.

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Originally Posted by BRVV

LB usage is so bad in the community. In ARs it is constantly not used at all before reset and there are so many who in dungeons or trials only use it for melee, on the boss, when the boss has like 4% left. Like gee thanks you killed it when an auto-attack could have done the job...

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U have to tell about it in chat, but usually people don't read in time, so there is no more need for AOE coz pack of big w2w pull is ded.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Admittedly not something I experienced, rather borrowed from a thread on Reddit:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...116628a4f28fa&

I mean, I can't claim to be good at the game (actually pretty terrible at it) but even I'm not that clueless!

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where do u find these people, I am jealous :CCC

I found once a person, who did not heal me with direct heals, but I managed to do fine on my own with Second Wind, Bloodbath and Hyper-Potions, and they did not /tell me anything after the duty.

I was a healer for a dungeon. I forget which dungeon but it was high level enough that decent gear is a must. The tank kept dying and I could not understand why. I did everything in my power to keep them alive- which included dps'ing when I thought I could pitch in the damage. Then I found out I had to only heal a lot because whenever I looked even 1 second away they ate so much damage. I eventually checked their gear. They had gatherer gear on... the tank was wearing gatherer gear.

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Originally Posted by Local_Custard

the tank was wearing gatherer gear.

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The tank gathered that damage

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Admittedly not something I experienced, rather borrowed from a thread on Reddit:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...116628a4f28fa&

I mean, I can't claim to be good at the game (actually pretty terrible at it) but even I'm not that clueless!

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I saw this on the other subreddit. Apparently the guy's on Hyperion and has become rather infamous with having an imgur list of telling others how to play. Going through the list reveals a lot of nefarious contradictions and harassment. Already got their name, too.

Also, LB'S HARDER.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Admittedly not something I experienced, rather borrowed from a thread on Reddit:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...116628a4f28fa&

I mean, I can't claim to be good at the game (actually pretty terrible at it) but even I'm not that clueless!

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Hope he gets reported for this

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Originally Posted by Remolia

where do u find these people, I am jealous :CCC

I found once a person, who did not heal me with direct heals, but I managed to do fine on my own with Second Wind, Bloodbath and Hyper-Potions, and they did not /tell me anything after the duty.

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Because most people in this game aren't dumb enough to self-incriminate.

It's the same reason why you'll never see a tank drop a "YPYT" in chat. Pretty sure most YPYT tanks are smart enough to not even turn off stance, but rather just start single targeting instead(which also makes no sense, considering if the GMs can tell you turned off stance they can tell you switched from aoes to single).

People on this game for the most part are smart enough to be passive aggressive about everything. You have to be extremely egotistical to spout it in chat.

I've been yelled at and threatened with kicks for using LBs on trash packs. I continue to do it anyway. LB 1 and 2 do so little to most bosses that it's not even worth it for most melee jobs to break their combos.

I've also been yelled at for using the LB on the redone Ultima Weapon, even though it automatically refills to 3 at the end whether you've used it or not.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Admittedly not something I experienced, rather borrowed from a thread on Reddit:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...116628a4f28fa&
I mean, I can't claim to be good at the game (actually pretty terrible at it) but even I'm not that clueless!

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LBing trash mobs is, like, a blessing for healers (and tanks).

What a digital dummy (that person is).

One of my favorite times was when I was told to not use Holy to help DPS. I obliged them, and single targeted DPS until they told me to stop that as well...I damned near fell asleep that run of Paglth'an.

Had a WHM yesterday or the day before in Alzadaal's Legacy who didn't DPS...at all...but instead ran around and jumped around. The tank in there was a WAR so the healer literally had to do NOTHING, except when the tank either hit something too late, or just decided to make the healer work harder, and ended up dying. So they had to heal me(as RPR) when the mobs changed to me, and raise the WAR. And even then, AoEs + Bloodbath made it so they didn't have to do much.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Admittedly not something I experienced, rather borrowed from a thread on Reddit:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...116628a4f28fa&

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I believe this is what the kids call "posting your L's on main."

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Originally Posted by BRVV

Hope he gets reported for this

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Seems like they're really asking for it!

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Originally Posted by Avatre

One of my favorite times was when I was told to not use Holy to help DPS. I obliged them, and single targeted DPS until they told me to stop that as well...I damned near fell asleep that run of Paglth'an.

Had a WHM yesterday or the day before in Alzadaal's Legacy who didn't DPS...at all...but instead ran around and jumped around. The tank in there was a WAR so the healer literally had to do NOTHING, except when the tank either hit something too late, or just decided to make the healer work harder, and ended up dying. So they had to heal me(as RPR) when the mobs changed to me, and raise the WAR. And even then, AoEs + Bloodbath made it so they didn't have to do much.

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Time to dust this old meme off again.....

https://i.imgur.com/Ab89U58.png

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Originally Posted by Avatre

One of my favorite times was when I was told to not use Holy to help DPS. I obliged them, and single targeted DPS until they told me to stop that as well...I damned near fell asleep that run of Paglth'an.

Had a WHM yesterday or the day before in Alzadaal's Legacy who didn't DPS...at all...but instead ran around and jumped around. The tank in there was a WAR so the healer literally had to do NOTHING, except when the tank either hit something too late, or just decided to make the healer work harder, and ended up dying. So they had to heal me(as RPR) when the mobs changed to me, and raise the WAR. And even then, AoEs + Bloodbath made it so they didn't have to do much.

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They are annoying, the ones that annoy me are the tanks to drag packs out of holy when they see the cast forcing you to interrupt or point mobs at you. Had that happen a few times.


If they complain, I remind them what Holy and Assize do and that these are mitigations and heals on top of doing "more deeps", and that these particular DPS skills can he contributing upwards of 40% DPS depending on the group formation.

A big crown mentor btw

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...839885b9413bf&

Healer only uses succor to keep the tank alive. I did checked their gears and saw they are all augmented shire and scholar was 64. We're in Sirensong Sea. That's why I offered a bit of advice since scholar is my main and it can be tricky for some people to grasps how it is. But you guys can see the results lol. Green is healer, red is me, blue is tank.

Just an fyi. No, me and the other dps did not get hit even a single time unless the tank dies. The tank did mit properly.

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Originally Posted by Noxster

A big crown mentor btw

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...839885b9413bf&

Healer only uses succor to keep the tank alive. I did checked their gears and saw they are all augmented shire and scholar was 64. We're in Sirensong Sea. That's why I offered a bit of advice since scholar is my main and it can be tricky for some people to grasps how it is. But you guys can see the results lol. Green is healer, red is me, blue is tank.

Just an fyi. No, me and the other dps did not get hit even a single time unless the tank dies. The tank did mit properly.

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Putting all skills on your bars and maybe using them sure seems hard for some people

To the drk I had earlier in Aurum Vale:

Please wear actual accessories instead of crafter/gatherer ones. They help more than you realize. Please use aoes, as aggro was going everywhere and I was forced to Cure 2 spam over Holy spam. Please do not stack your mits, as they're not additive, they're muplicative with diminishing returns. Please leave the lb for the dps to use instead of using it the second it fills, as it is not your personal bar. Please wait if I, the healer, have to suddenly afk (my stomach decided to empty out its contents when I got to the bathroom) and said I had to afk for a moment in party chat; don't use that opportunity to pull more and expect me to heal you while I'm away from the keyboard. You unfortunately not only ignored this, but you also pulled the boss and ran around the room like a headless chicken. You also got the rdm killed for your stupidity.

We also realized you were a booster, and tried to give you advice in party chat to help you. You also had a sprout icon, so we tried to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Please respond to us in party chat or in say chat instead of leaving it at the end and being an overall jerk the entire dungeon. Your zinger after we gave you advice in party chat was 'I can see party chat' in say, and then immediately left the dungeon.

I hope you step on legos.

Sincerely,

The whm that had to hard carry you when I didn't absolutely have to afk.

So uh… two weird stories.

Went in as a WAR into lv90 roulette. Got Troian.

Nothing special really happened—until that one time I had probably glitched a mob out of the orbit. I simply pulled everything then plant myself into a corner as usual. That one particular dog from four which you can wall pull before 2nd boss was shoved into the wall next to me to the point they look like having a seizure before the game yeets ‘em back to their spawn point. Their behavior was exactly what you’d expect to see when you’ve pulled a mob out of their enmity range.

Nope, the door ain’t opening lol. We had to run back to their spawn point to kill ‘em.

Hitbox collision doing its silly thing, I guess.

Second one is from 5678 Roul: Pharos Sirius as a WHM.

Again… one weird occasion where we’re supposed to have wiped the trash pulls clean up to last boss. But for whatever reason, the moment we zone in to the top floor, I could see I have something on my enmity table: Corrupted Sprite (lmao wat). And it was aggroing me. It stays that way until I actually seen the sprite zone into the top floor themselves… then noped out because I’m already beyond its reach having been sealed within the boss arena xD

Had an interesting moment in Thaleia earlier. A DPS basically got really angry because people weren't rolling, and told us that it was to our benefit to roll now so they could leave and get replaced before the boss started. Sure enough, they did leave right after the final boss started.

Not reportable I feel but the attitude just annoyed me.

Had a blm earlier in Thaleia that would often die to the boss' attacks despite the amount of healing I was putting out to keep them and the smn upright. They did so badly they'd respawn after so many deaths and just watch the fights from afar.

Like bud, I can put the danger dorito on me so you can use me as an aetherial manipulation marker so you could at least contribute. But you took the lazy man's way out.

Its those times when you see a blm in Lunarsubterraine only casting thunder IV, triple cast, thunder 3 maybe, and lucid dream (having full MP and it never dropping below 90%) you know its time to GTFO of Dodge... not carrying a crowned mentor that cant even use a normal blm rotation when im the other dps.

Wow. I've seen plenty of Ice Mages, but never a Thunder Mage.