#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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Originally Posted by Somnolence

People care more about gameplay loop than role fantasy.

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This right here. Gameplay is what we mostly engage in when playing a class, and a solid fun gameplay loops can make even boring or tedious fights kinda enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by Somnolence

People care more about gameplay loop than role fantasy. Its not like all DPS players like all DPS jobs equally.

Healer gameplay loop sucks and they have only one.

My primary experience with the other jobs atm is via leveling them. And healers without a doubt are ultra boring when spamming Aglaia. Knowing that this glare spam is the healer optimization endgame does not make one keen in playing them.

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I'm not talking about role fantasy, I'm talking about player preference.

If a player prefers to lead, they won't play a healer. If a player prefers low responsibility, they won't play a healer.

There's nothing they can ever do to the healer role to make these types of players play a healer.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

They cannot heal stupid and backflipping/stepping dragoons/redmages/reapers that go over the edge with it just because they received a AoE marker.

Or players running away from everyone else with the stack marker.

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I do suppose we can't protect people from themselves.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

I'm not talking about role fantasy, I'm talking about player preference.

If a player prefers to lead, they won't play a healer. If a player prefers low responsibility, they won't play a healer.

There's nothing they can ever do to the healer role to make these types of players play a healer.

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Players change roles all the time. Both my static healers were melee DPS before.

And while I play tank now I could not care less about any leading, I only do so for current content because I only want to farm content once and with tanks I can use it for 4 jobs potentially.

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Originally Posted by Somnolence

Read the comments in the linked thread, JP is complaining that healing is too hard.

What Yoshi-P is supposed to do in such situation and with such feedback?

I feel like there are fundamental differences of what people want from the role that cannot be easily reconciled.

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Complaints are both that parties don't want to deal with shit healers and healers don't want to deal with shit parties. There's another also claiming all the good ones get recruited into statics. Seems there's a notable shortage of physranged in some DCs right now as well.

Probably not a coincidence the JP SCH thread is discussing removing Energy Drain again, considering.

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Originally Posted by Azurarok

Complaints are both that parties don't want to deal with shit healers and healers don't want to deal with shit parties. There's another also claiming all the good ones get recruited into statics. Seems there's a notable shortage of physranged in some DCs right now as well.

Probably not a coincidence the JP SCH thread is discussing removing Energy Drain again, considering.

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Wish we could tell the JP base that maybe they're not as good as they think they are, and that maybe they should learn how to play instead of trying to turn this game in to an Idle/AFK mobile game.

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Originally Posted by MisterNublet

Wish we could tell the JP base that maybe they're not as good as they think they are, and that maybe they should learn how to play instead of trying to turn this game in to an Idle/AFK mobile game.

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Higher % of players in JP play savage, which means higher % of casual players try and engage with this content.

From what I could glean/understood via limited exposure & anecdotal hearsays, they seemed to lean toward "Well dev made this for us so let's at least give this a try..."-mindset than straight up not touching everything that doesn't suit their taste. With few exception being the horrendous criterions(?).

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Originally Posted by Azurarok

Complaints are both that parties don't want to deal with shit healers and healers don't want to deal with shit parties. There's another also claiming all the good ones get recruited into statics. Seems there's a notable shortage of physranged in some DCs right now as well.

Probably not a coincidence the JP SCH thread is discussing removing Energy Drain again, considering.

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Energy Drain is the one thing that makes SCH one of the best designed healers currently as it's the only Healer who can always have a use for their job gauge... But SE's track record would indicate they'll rather remove it instead of making it more useful to the party...