What things annoy you?

If the party is doing so badly that a red mage chaining Verraise is the only thing keeping them going, then there's a serious problem going on.

Also doesn't help that nobody ever seems to be grateful for it, or even so much as give a comm after being scraped off the ground six or seven times.

And it gets held up as a "utility" argument whenever anyone dares to suggest that red mage's personal DPS is too low.

I may be bitter.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

I mean I'd just want to save myself the effort of restarting. No point in just letting everyone die.

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Finding annoyance with a rdm/smn not raising over people just failing mechanics is what's jarring and deflects from what the actual problem is.

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Originally Posted by Daibunnie

Finding annoyance with a rdm/smn not raising over people just failing mechanics is what's jarring and deflects from what the actual problem is.

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If it makes you feel any better, yes, the healers and people getting hit by mechanics are the main problem.

It's not ALWAYS so cut and dry, though. I did a raid daily today where both healers died because one of the DPS got too close with the double-stackers and wound up killing 3 people. Now should those 3 people stay dead because one person made a mistake for 2 mechanic? I don't think so. So I raised them. Things went perfectly fine after that.

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Originally Posted by Daibunnie

Finding annoyance with a rdm/smn not raising over people just failing mechanics is what's jarring and deflects from what the actual problem is.

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The annoyance is found from picking a class that has a raise and then deciding unilaterally that you're going to watch everyone die instead of play your class to its full potential and be a teammate, in fact being able to raise might be one of the reasons you were allowed to join the party/group.
Instead because your healers both decided to die to the same mechanic(s) we're just going to waste that entire pull because "but ma dps".

This isn't an argument for bad healers or players though, failing multiple mechanics is your fault but not raising one of the dead healers when they've only died once in the entire duty because you'd rather just keep dpsing is being a bad teammate even if your healers are bad. If you don't want to take the responsibility of having a raise then don't play classes that have raises. Healers have the same responsibility for having to heal people who take unnecessary damage.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

Healers have the same responsibility for having to heal people who take unnecessary damage.

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Oh boy can we make "RDM ADJUST" a meme now?

What, "Rez Mage" isn't enough?

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Originally Posted by hydralus

If it makes you feel any better, yes, the healers and people getting hit by mechanics are the main problem.

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I mean, I'm not the one who has an issue with a rdm/smn not saving the group in a clutch.

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It's not ALWAYS so cut and dry, though. I did a raid daily today where both healers died because one of the DPS got too close with the double-stackers and wound up killing 3 people. Now should those 3 people stay dead because one person made a mistake for 2 mechanic? I don't think so. So I raised them. Things went perfectly fine after that.

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These one-off instances doesn't address the actual problem. Should rdm/smn use all their tools like any other job to help the party? Yes and no one is actually arguing against that. The problem is getting the blame for not carrying a group that made too many mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

The annoyance is found from picking a class that has a raise and then deciding unilaterally that you're going to watch everyone die instead of play your class to its full potential and be a teammate, in fact being able to raise might be one of the reasons you were allowed to join the party/group.

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Again, this sounds more like a group having mechanical issues than anything else. Are we talking about normal content where it doesn't matter if half the party is dead or ex/savage? It also literally doesn't matter in any content if you wipe a few times. If you don't want your time wasted, tell the people that are having issues in the first place to correct themselves.

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This isn't an argument for bad healers or players though

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The grip literally was "I find it annoying that rdm/smn doesn't raise when ppl are dead." If the party wipes because the rdm/smn didn't raise, then so what? You restart and hope people don't make the same mistakes from the previous run.

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Originally Posted by Daibunnie

If the party wipes because the rdm/smn didn't raise, then so what? You restart and hope people don't make the same mistakes from the previous run.

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If this is the attitude then everyone may as well take raise off their hotbar, healers included.

I want to clarify that I don't mind raising people once or twice in a run. But when I start to feel more like a squeegee than a caster, only to get "lulz rez mage" thrown in my face as if that's somehow supposed to be my entire role, it gets very annoying. 90% of my Vermilion Scourge casts are in retaliation for it, because if I have to suffer, your eyes can join me.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

If this is the attitude then everyone may as well take raise off their hotbar, healers included.

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Just like how everyone else made mistakes, the rdm/smn made the mistake of not realizing people were dead. No big deal right?