Gender locked race?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's to be expected at this point. Quite a few people are getting rather nasty in regards to their arguments.

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Lol it's fine though. They'll call for civility a few posts afterwards.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's to be expected at this point. Quite a few people are getting rather nasty in regards to their arguments.

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? i haven't been inflammatory in any of my responses though.

The post above is way more inflammatory than I have been.

I don't think you're understanding what I was saying but I'll break it down.

1. I am not arguing for male viera/female hrothgar being added into the game, I am aware of the leaks and think they have a fair bit of credibility.

2. I am not stating that EVERYONE who wants or are looking forward to female/male hrothgar are or is a furry, I was simply saying there is a difference between kemonomimi/kemono(Athropomorphic/Partial-Beastial traits) and that a MAJORITY of people who would want to see/enjoy and are into anthropomorphic races are both niche(based on racial data and voted data) and are most likely furries(Not a derogatory term).

3. That people should be allowed to say or give speculations without the constant "DON'T GET YOUR HOPES UP DUDES THE LEAKS SAID YOU'LL JUST BE DISAPPOINTED ON FRIDAY." that's not a constructive or conducive attitude to have when discussing, things that have nothing to do with male viera, or genderlocking.

4. I can see the argument on both sides, and I do think there's more evidence to genderlocks whether we like them or not, however we most certainly haven't seen everything yet and anyone claiming otherwise is just being a debby downer.

Let people speculate if they choose to, whatever happens on friday happens essentially, again I'm pretty impartial in this since I prefer male midlander(No money for fantasias) and I'm more concerned with what jobs we'll see at the fanfest but I enjoy taking part in discussion since I love speculating.

Edit: Also Also I'm not completely against genderlocks if there's some sort of good tradeoff for them, like say more customization more faces, more subraces and the like, and do see how they can help with resource allocation as some have explained in this thread.

As long as its not a tall and muscular male I'll be happy. I don't understand why people think we need another bara-esque male. Highlander, Au'ra, and Roegadyn cover the 3 common forms of bara. Even then a Midlander with max muscle slider can look super ripped.

Ideally we need an average to short male that's all soft and feminine. Currently Midlander males at 0 muscle slider with the baby face is the closest we have and that just looks fat for the most part. Lalafells are basically glorified chibis. Miqo'te have a decent amount of musculature to them, and Elezen… we've all noticed the odd proportions on them.

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

As long as its not a tall and muscular male I'll be happy. I don't understand why people think we need another bara-esque male. Highlander, Au'ra, and Roegadyn cover the 3 common forms of bara. Even then a Midlander with max muscle slider can look super ripped.

Ideally we need an average to short male that's all soft and feminine. Currently Midlander males at 0 muscle slider with the baby face is the closest we have and that just looks fat for the most part. Lalafells are basically glorified chibis. Miqo'te have a decent amount of musculature to them, and Elezen… we've all noticed the odd proportions on them.

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I mean even if they don't add Hrothgar (who are a big ??? right now), it doesn't mean they will add male Viera on terms Yoshi-P explicitly does not want to. Whilst I understand that there is some demand for soft, feminine males, projecting this onto Viera, in spite of developer reservations about it, in spite of the concept art designed to overcome these objections and in spite of their lore, is likely to be a dead end. You would be better off asking for more customisation options for midlander men. Also, there's faces besides the baby face which can be given a feminine vibe on midlanders. Yes, the derplander face, the old one and the sharp featured one are quite masculine in nature, but there's two others you can use for softer features.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

? i haven't been inflammatory in any of my responses though.

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It was more of a general statement directed at multiple posters.

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

As long as its not a tall and muscular male I'll be happy. I don't understand why people think we need another bara-esque male. Highlander, Au'ra, and Roegadyn cover the 3 common forms of bara. Even then a Midlander with max muscle slider can look super ripped.

Ideally we need an average to short male that's all soft and feminine. Currently Midlander males at 0 muscle slider with the baby face is the closest we have and that just looks fat for the most part. Lalafells are basically glorified chibis. Miqo'te have a decent amount of musculature to them, and Elezen… we've all noticed the odd proportions on them.

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At some point a line needs to be drawn. You can already design multiple playable races to be feminine and androgynous. There's also a lot of new hairstyles and casual glamour being added that conforms to such aesthetics. Often at the cost of those of us who just want to conform to traditional standards of beauty.

There's a very vocal portion of players who do everything possible to discourage the development team from adding anything that conforms to masculine aesthetics. I'm not hugely fond of extremely buff men along the lines of Roegadyn as I find their proportions to be ridiculous. Though equally I'm even less fond of the child like, extremely feminine aesthetic that some people in this thread are pushing for.

It's false to claim that there's too much 'bara' in this game. As multiple people have explained already, Au Ra, Highlander and Roegadyn men aren't quite what some of us desire.

Furthermore, given how Viera are described in the lore it makes sense for the men to be at least somewhat muscular and intimidating rather than small and timid looking.

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

As long as its not a tall and muscular male I'll be happy. I don't understand why people think we need another bara-esque male. Highlander, Au'ra, and Roegadyn cover the 3 common forms of bara. Even then a Midlander with max muscle slider can look super ripped.

Ideally we need an average to short male that's all soft and feminine. Currently Midlander males at 0 muscle slider with the baby face is the closest we have and that just looks fat for the most part. Lalafells are basically glorified chibis. Miqo'te have a decent amount of musculature to them, and Elezen… we've all noticed the odd proportions on them.

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Only Roegadyn and Highlanders really fall into the "bara-esque" group. Au Ra kinda... don't? They're about as muscular as the Miqo'te (but taller).

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Only Roegadyn and Highlanders really fall into the "bara-esque" group. Au Ra kinda... don't? They're about as muscular as the Miqo'te (but taller).

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They've got bigger arms and legs than male highlanders. Try measuring them on a screen.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Furthermore, given how Viera are described in the lore it makes sense for the men to be at least somewhat muscular and intimidating rather than small and timid looking.

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I'm legally obligated to link to the Monty Python killer rabbit video

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Furthermore, given how Viera are described in the lore it makes sense for the men to be at least somewhat muscular and intimidating rather than small and timid looking.

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Yeah, it'd be cool if they were taller and muscular, with less of the ol male au ra birthing hips, they'd pretty much take male elezen's niche though. Same with Hrothgar being tall and thick with muscles, they'd just be a better Roe by some standards, maybe a better au ra for some.

Really though as sad as it is to say most of the 'races' in the game are just different body types, if you compare them to races in other games. So to that effect I do understand people wanting more out of the races.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It was more of a general statement directed at multiple posters.



At some point a line needs to be drawn. You can already design multiple playable races to be feminine and androgynous. There's also a lot of new hairstyles and casual glamour being added that conforms to such aesthetics. Often at the cost of those of us who just want to conform to traditional standards of beauty.

There's a very vocal portion of players who do everything possible to discourage the development team from adding anything that conforms to masculine aesthetics. I'm not hugely fond of extremely buff men along the lines of Roegadyn as I find their proportions to be ridiculous. Though equally I'm even less fond of the child like, extremely feminine aesthetic that some people in this thread are pushing for.

It's false to claim that there's too much 'bara' in this game. As multiple people have explained already, Au Ra, Highlander and Roegadyn men aren't quite what some of us desire.

Furthermore, given how Viera are described in the lore it makes sense for the men to be at least somewhat muscular and intimidating rather than small and timid looking.

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I know the ideal thing I mentioned is most likely not going to happen. I can hope until its entirely shot down this weekend. I'm willing to compromise. I'd settle for them being more on the lithe side as well. I just don't want another generic superhero bodyshape that they have given to basically everything.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

? i haven't been inflammatory in any of my responses though.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

"HUBBAH BUBBAH GETTING HOPES UP HUBBAH BUBBAH LEAKS HUBBAH BUBBHA OWN FAULT HUBBAH BUBBHA NOT A FURRY, HROTHGAR DEMANDED HUBBAH BUBBHA."

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Because full blasting in all caps mocking some people isn't inflammatory apparently?

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Originally Posted by Alesone

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Because full blasting in all caps mocking some people isn't inflammatory apparently?

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Oh stop. If THAT'S what you consider inflammatory, then this entire thread is filled with inflammatory posts from both sides.

Edit: "HUBBAH BUBBAH DOESN'T LIKE PEOPLE SUMMARIZING SLIGHTLY CONDESCENDING IDEOLOGY INTO FUNNY NONSENSICAL CAPS LOCK TEXT HUBBAH BUBBAH."

I never said it wasn't going both ways, but you were the one saying you weren't participating in such things when you most certainly were.

But you do you man.

Eh, I wouldn't consider that inflammatory compared to people literally saying things like "FURRIES ARE GROSS KEEP THAT CANCER OUT OF THE COMMUNITY." or "ARE YOU STUPID WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT MALE VIERA?" I've read like--several posts ago, but to each their own, I guess? I apologize if some of my posts caused anyone any anger, didn't mean it that way.

Honestly it's pretty funny, you should try it at least.

"HUBBAH BUBBAH MALE VIERA GOOD BECAUSE I CAN LOOK LIKE A HYUR WITH BUNNY EARS HUBBAH BUBBAH."

It's definitely coming from both sides. The degree varies quite a bit, as does the nature of the biting commentary.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It was more of a general statement directed at multiple posters.



At some point a line needs to be drawn. You can already design multiple playable races to be feminine and androgynous. There's also a lot of new hairstyles and casual glamour being added that conforms to such aesthetics. Often at the cost of those of us who just want to conform to traditional standards of beauty.

There's a very vocal portion of players who do everything possible to discourage the development team from adding anything that conforms to masculine aesthetics. I'm not hugely fond of extremely buff men along the lines of Roegadyn as I find their proportions to be ridiculous. Though equally I'm even less fond of the child like, extremely feminine aesthetic that some people in this thread are pushing for.

It's false to claim that there's too much 'bara' in this game. As multiple people have explained already, Au Ra, Highlander and Roegadyn men aren't quite what some of us desire.

Furthermore, given how Viera are described in the lore it makes sense for the men to be at least somewhat muscular and intimidating rather than small and timid looking.

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Final fantasy hasn’t ever been a extremely masculine franchise by western standards
And just because a game does not conform to your western view of masculinity doesn’t mean there isn’t option for you.

Just like you can make the males extremely androgynous you can also make all of them pretty darn masculine.

However when it comes to physical bodies you have more options for masculine men even if the proportions are not exactly to your liking.

No line needs to be drawn there should be options for both. So I hope you get hrothgar and we get pretty male Viera.

Given to how viera as a whole are described in lore they could still be very feminine as the women of the race are very beautiful and are no weaklings on the battlefield. There is little logic in fantasy

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Originally Posted by artyport

Final fantasy hasn’t ever been a extremely masculine franchise by western standards

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I disagree. Many of the male characters can easily be described as 'masculine'. It's a broad spectrum, ranging from classically handsome to ruggedly handsome. Squall and Seifer are great examples of the former aesthetic and Basch, Gladio and Jecht are good examples of the latter. Sure, there's characters such as Kuja that are either feminine or androgynous but they're not exactly the default aesthetic.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

They've got bigger arms and legs than male highlanders. Try measuring them on a screen.

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Their legs, sure. Arms though? They look roughly the same (aside from the weird scales Au Ra got on only some parts of them and not all over. Really weird design choice, SE).
I can't check in-game right now so I'm only able to go by what I can find on Google images .-.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Their legs, sure. Arms though? They look roughly the same (aside from the weird scales Au Ra got on only some parts of them and not all over. Really weird design choice, SE).
I can't check in-game right now so I'm only able to go by what I can find on Google images .-.

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Ye I'd say au ra are more "lithe" than bara, aside from the birthing hips their biceps and arms are generally way more twiggy than your typical bara character. They're tall as high heaven though.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I disagree. Many of the male characters can easily be described as 'masculine'. It's a broad spectrum, ranging from classically handsome to ruggedly handsome. Squall and Seifer are great examples of the former aesthetic and Basch, Gladio and Jecht are good examples of the latter. Sure, there's characters such as Kuja that are either feminine or androgynous but they're not exactly the default aesthetic.

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the default aesthetic for Final fantasy is pretty boy.. or cute boy.
Just as in most anime which Final Fantasy heavily draws its visuals from.
Sure there might be masculine options.. but most of these characters are thin to lithe and very few are actually buff or rugged.
most final fantasy characters would fall under midlander

and PS you can make all those characters in game right now.

I get it masculine men in might be the majority here in the west so you feel the game should appeal to you more. However even if masculine japanese, men are culturally not always aiming to be RUGGED!

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Originally Posted by artyport

and PS you can make all those characters in game right now.

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Just as you can already make feminine and androgynous looking men.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Their legs, sure. Arms though? They look roughly the same (aside from the weird scales Au Ra got on only some parts of them and not all over. Really weird design choice, SE).
I can't check in-game right now so I'm only able to go by what I can find on Google images .-.

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They're slightly larger on both counts. I'd certainly put them in the almost-bara category, along with highlanders.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

Ye I'd say au ra are more "lithe" than bara, aside from the birthing hips their biceps and arms are generally way more twiggy than your typical bara character. They're tall as high heaven though.

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Well, that'd put Highlanders in the same category, as they're a bit smaller in their proportions. Their toning is just more visible on the max option.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Just as you can already make feminine and androgynous looking men.

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https://i.imgur.com/AROPVDV.png
TRUST ME! I KNOW I CAN.
BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BODY Types that are not available in game.. and slim/skinny men are not present at all.. as opposed to the fact that we have 3 large males bodies. 2 medium bodies. 1 tall and slim and awkward bodies. You are asking for a body type that is already present. I am asking for one that is not.

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Originally Posted by artyport

Final fantasy hasn’t ever been a extremely masculine franchise by western standards
And just because a game does not conform to your western view of masculinity doesn’t mean there isn’t option for you.

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I mean there's biological bases to sex differences beyond a "western view of masculinity". Of course, they need not work the same way in fantasy races as they do in humans, but SE have provided zero lore to expect reverse dimorphism for Viera.

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However when it comes to physical bodies you have more options for masculine men even if the proportions are not exactly to your liking.

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There are three larger built options, three slender ones and 1 tiny one.

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Given to how viera as a whole are described in lore they could still be very feminine as the women of the race are very beautiful and are no weaklings on the battlefield. There is little logic in fantasy

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Actually, most settings make an attempt to be internally consistent and provide explanations for why things as they are in them, so there is actually a fair bit of "logic" in it. However, it's not the word "beautiful" that keeps coming up for Viera males, but "soft" and "cute".

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Originally Posted by Lauront

I mean there's biological bases to sex differences beyond a "western view of masculinity". Of course, they need not work the same way in fantasy races as they do in humans, but SE have provided zero lore to expect reverse dimorphism for Viera.



There are three larger built options, three slender ones and 1 tiny one.



Actually, most settings make an attempt to be internally consistent and provide explanations for why things as they are in them, so there is actually a fair bit of "logic" in it. However, it's not the word "beautiful" that keeps coming up for Viera males, but "soft" and "cute".

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Midlander have neutral body types.. wouldn't call them slender. Miqote are short but actually kinda buff. Elezen are are actually slim but have awkward porportions. I always forget about lala as i would never play those things.
What we are looking for here are slim body types like alphy.

You are right fantasy does use a internal system that makes sense for their lore.. however in FINAL FANTASY PIPIN can weild a greatsword into battle and win. If that is the case I can be a cute/beautiful/handsome thin viera and still be a protector of the forest.

and while there are biological sex differences the view of how masculinity plays out is different culturally and changes through time.

Right, well they're unlikely to be any thinner than midlanders or elezen and certainly nowhere near as thin as Alphinaud. Comparing someone like Pipin, who no doubt has access to all sorts of magical equipment, to a race which evolved in a given environment and subject to (tens of?) thousands of years of evolutionary pressures where they may not have had access to such methods of artificially augmenting their strength is a fool's errand. Not that SE would not be able to explain why such pressures led to that, but they've done nothing to do that, and seem downright opposed to the notion.

you saying pipin has access to magical equipment is head cannon and bad head cannon at that.
There are tons of LALA who can weild all manor of heavy weaponry and win in battle.

Again..
Also it is said that they are incredible archers. which takes much less strength than wielding a great sword.
Also to navigate a jungle and live among the trees would lean towards a more thin frame.

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Originally Posted by artyport

you saying pipin has access to magical equipment is head cannon and bad head cannon at that.
There are tons of LALA who can weild all manor of heavy weaponry and win in battle.

Again..
Also it is said that they are incredible archers. which takes much less strength than wielding a great sword.
Also to navigate a jungle and live among the trees would lean towards a more thin frame.

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I hate having to contradict you but knocking a bow takes considerable strength depending on the draw weight ;w;

this is what i imagine a viera from when i read its lore: athletic, fast, silent, not too heavy build (a mix between hyur and au ra kind of)

http://cdn4.dualshockers.com/wp-cont.../04/Viera1.jpg

i know, lore doesnt have to follow allways logic, but i just can't wrap my head around, thinking vieras to be "soft, small, slender, androgynous"
they live in harsh conditions, which just wouldn't allow such body traits if you ask me :S

BUT THIS IS JUST MY OPINION THO, NO HATE PLS!

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Originally Posted by artyport

Midlander have neutral body types.. wouldn't call them slender. Miqote are short but actually kinda buff. Elezen are are actually slim but have awkward porportions. I always forget about lala as i would never play those things.
What we are looking for here are slim body types like alphy.

You are right fantasy does use a internal system that makes sense for their lore.. however in FINAL FANTASY PIPIN can weild a greatsword into battle and win. If that is the case I can be a cute/beautiful/handsome thin viera and still be a protector of the forest.

and while there are biological sex differences the view of how masculinity plays out is different culturally and changes through time.

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i mean, how skinny do you want them? With how the Viera males are being portrayed if you're looking for something that's 'skinnier' than a elezen then doubtful. If you mean something like 'Omega M' which to me didn't look skinny at all, he seems rather 'toned' - but you can have a muscular/lithe toned individual.

Do you want something like WoL 'moebius' 'lithe' - which is similar to male hyur - or are we skirting towards the dangerously slim? Which is possible, but I imagine the male Viera would have a vast 'muscular scale' due to how the lore has them.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...ior-Mevius.jpg

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Originally Posted by artyport

Also it is said that they are incredible archers. which takes much less strength than wielding a great sword.

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Archery requires a significant amount of upper body strength, particularly in the chest and arms. The men also live in the deepest reaches of a jungle and spend their time largely in isolation. If you want a 'skinny' character then it makes more sense to push for the existing character creation to be expanded rather than hijack an upcoming playable race to be something it isn't.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Archery requires a significant amount of upper body strength, particularly in the chest and arms. The men also live in the deepest reaches of a jungle and spend their time largely in isolation. If you want a 'skinny' character then it makes more sense to push for the existing character creation to be expanded rather than hijack an upcoming playable race to be something it isn't.

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As an add on, there to the archer thing - they're lancers as well that spend most of their time prowling in the wood leaping from tree to tree. And onto the lore that they're basically terminators once they clock onto someone who's hurt their wood. I don't imagine a race that is 'skinnier' than an Elezen. Though they really should have a more in-depth muscle/weight/height scale - all of the races should.

Regarding au ra and highlander males:

http://i65.tinypic.com/fos21.png

I'd recommend zooming in. The difference is fairly slight, and you can flip them around for the leg view to offset the differing poses, but I don't really see how one would be bara and the other not.

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Originally Posted by artyport

you saying pipin has access to magical equipment is head cannon and bad head cannon at that.
There are tons of LALA who can weild all manor of heavy weaponry and win in battle.

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How is it "head canon", precisely, when jobs/classes and magical equipment and materia do just this and are far from inaccessible to a high ranking Flames member (we know this from the crafting job quests)? I don't grasp the logic here.

There's scarcely "tons" of lalafell fitting into what you describe.

Also on the topic of Omega M, his physique is pretty much the same as a midlander's.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Archery requires a significant amount of upper body strength, particularly in the chest and arms. The men also live in the deepest reaches of a jungle and spend their time largely in isolation. If you want a 'skinny' character then it makes more sense to push for the existing character creation to be expanded rather than hijack an upcoming playable race to be something it isn't.

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Just wanted to come in here (mostly watching now lol), for this ^.

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Originally Posted by artyport

Also it is said that they are incredible archers. which takes much less strength than wielding a great sword.

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Ignoring some ingenious designs with pulleys and levers (crossbows included) Archery, especially high power long range shots, takes an incredibly high amount of strength (actually you can combine the pulleys to boost the draw weight up a massive amount to make an insanely strong shot, but then you're asking to break something of your own body on each firing).

The media has tried to make archery appear as the "woman's" weapon in a lot of stuff which is why I think archery is usually seen as low strength, especially when you see movies where they hold full draw for minutes at a time... but that's all smoke and mirrors. To be clear I'm not saying women can't use bows just the media (stereotypical vision you see) painted it as a sort of weapon for those who "can't stick it in the fray", which probably just insults everyone including the bows lol.

Archer = pretty strong.

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i mean, how skinny do you want them? With how the Viera males are being portrayed if you're looking for something that's 'skinnier' than a elezen then doubtful. If you mean something like 'Omega M' which to me didn't look skinny at all, he seems rather 'toned' - but you can have a muscular/lithe toned individual.

Do you want something like WoL 'moebius' 'lithe' - which is similar to male hyur - or are we skirting towards the dangerously slim? Which is possible, but I imagine the male Viera would have a vast 'muscular scale' due to how the lore has them.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...ior-Mevius.jpg

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First of all he cute.

Personally I would like alphies body type but a little taller and cute faces that are more young adult.
however i would be ok with a more lithe yet strong body as well.. but with smaller arms.
I tend to enjoy playing the underdog type character who doesn't look like they will win but overcome it.. Just not lala.

Ok. YOU RIGHT ABOUT THE ARCHERS lol.

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

this is what i imagine a viera from when i read its lore: athletic, fast, silent, not too heavy build (a mix between hyur and au ra kind of)

http://cdn4.dualshockers.com/wp-cont.../04/Viera1.jpg

i know, lore doesnt have to follow allways logic, but i just can't wrap my head around, thinking vieras to be "soft, small, slender, androgynous"
they live in harsh conditions, which just wouldn't allow such body traits if you ask me :S

BUT THIS IS JUST MY OPINION THO, NO HATE PLS!

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Indeed, that is how I think they would be added if the devs opted to - maybe with some modifications but definitely along those lines, between a hyur (or elezen) and au ra.

Weren't archers shoulder/arm bones typically thicker because of the amount of draw strength needed for long bows? I always imagine archers were pretty top heavily strong. Though I guess bard sets a weird precedent? buuut bards are less bowmen and more bowperformers right?

So I suppose the idea I should say is "less bulky" since it seems the idea of a more gender-neutral body shape is so vehemently shot down at any sort of opportunity.

Ideally I would like something like Alphinaud, but given the low probability of that happening, I'd settle for a middle ground.

And while Archery does require a lot of upper body strength, I have two friends that are both fairly muscular with total opposite body types. One is around 6'2" and probably weighs in the 220s(he can deadlift around 300 lbs) and the other is about... I wanna say around 5'7"ish. Like slightly below averge and he's rather thin under his musculature. I've seen the skinny one handle things better than the big guy. They arm wrestled one time and it wasn't an obvious win for andre the giant. I mean he still won, but it took a fair bit of effort on his part.

There's also plenty of skinny guys out there that are still pretty ripped. A small frame doesn't translate into 100% weaker muscles. They're just proportionately smaller.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

How is it "head canon", precisely, when jobs/classes and magical equipment and materia do just this and are far from inaccessible to a high ranking Flames member (we know this from the crafting job quests)? I don't grasp the logic here.

There's scarcely "tons" of lalafell fitting into what you describe.

Also on the topic of Omega M, his physique is pretty much the same as a midlander's.

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There is no actual lore saying LALA need magical weapons or equipment to weild greataxes.
ALSO VIERA are an old race that lives long. Why wouldnt they have access to magical equipment as well.

My only point is using the the setting of where they come from to describe their physical appearance is silly.
If that were the case FEMALE Miqote would be much larger like female lions but they are not. THEY CUTE.

Xalea women are warriors of the steepe... but they are often cute.

IN ANIME and IN Final Fantasy your visual appearance dont really matter when it comes to physical prowess