Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

This isn't so much a singular tale, more of an overview of all the trials I did last night.

Tanks that are all about rush rush rush and pull with no hesitation between wipes.

Start fight, people don't know mechanics "Heya, I've done the fight! I can--" PULLS
Wipe, people making same mistakes "Listen, all we need to do is--" PULLS
Wipe, making progress purely because Echo exists "CAN YOU STOP RUSH PU-- PULLS

I get it, time is money, but it's so infuriating when you hit 60 minutes multiple times just because a tank doesn't want to work out a plan that would, ultimately, save everyone a lot of time.

Hi, it's my first time posting, been lurking for a while, but I have a recent story I want to share! It's not about anything negative, but just another tale of the Aurum Vale!
I wanted the 72 ability, so I hopped back into the leveling roulette for my RDM, as they were 3mil exp away. I was expecting a low-level, since it's been so long, and surprise, surprise, Aurum Vale! My party members are a Sprout WAR, Sprout WHM, and a Sprout DNC! I'm sure you can see where this is going! :) (btw, the dancer and healer have "watching cutscene" at the beginning)
We load in, I examine everyone's gear, notice that the healer is still leveling, so they have a mix of ~i40-50 NQ or Job Gear. I inform the tank to be careful, and so we march on! But the WAR hesitated, unsure of how to approach 1.0 design. So I take it upon myself to mark (1) on the nearest frog, and we mow it down! HOWEVER, the WAR gets cocky and proceeds to pull even more, which overwhelms both him and the WHM. He fails to get aggro so I go down first as I'm the Magic Machine. I tell the DNC to wipe so we can restart. At least each pull we made progress lol.
I throw a tip to both tanks & healer that {provoke} and {holy} are amazing tools to maintain aggro on far away enemies or to help the tank take less damage. Both of them utilize them right away, leaving a great impression.
UNFORTUNATELY we wipe 2 more times, the 2nd time our Sprout Dancer runs away towards the center of the room after receiving aggro, pulling even more mobs and overwhelming our precocious blue/green dps. The 3rd wipe was cause of me! I backflipped poorly, killing myself due to the tank not even being aware of it! We get to Locksmith, and everybody has a hankering for a healthy snack! I notice afterwards that the DNC forgot about{Standard Step} + {Standard Finish}, so remind them and they follow-up immediately!
Meanwhile, WAR's search info shows it's their only job seriously lvl'd to 71, so I ask, and yep, they are on their way to opening the Gates of Fury! I dunk on the room before Coincounter with LB, and after he goes down, turns out, WHM & DNC were a duo, and the DNC DC'd! We press on, as I'm confident in RDM's OP AOE to meatgrind everything into dust. Last trash pull, I've been thinking to myself that our WAR seems to take a lot of damage, and my short-term memory is very bad so I call out "DEFENSIVES!!!" and express "That explains it. Help the poor smol healer by beefing yourself up!" but turns out they were on CD, which I didn't notice. My apologies, Justa Blurr
Malboro goes down, we give our high fives, WAR instaleaves (maybe it was because of me :( I just unlocked the /MandervilleMambo, and it's my new favorite dance so I ALWAYS put up a show to Sprouts! I wish the duo a good night and I walk away with the Healer's comm!!! I gave mine to them too, because they were so open and polite (and cute, all lalafells are cute)

Qitana Revel
Tank is a DRK, seems to understand the laser wall part alright, crumbles like actual paper on the first attempted w2w, turns out to still be wearing Shire pieces and to be not very mindful of enemy AoE

Alright so a slower run, I don't mind, its a leveling dungeon and its not out of the ordinary for people to be somewhat undergeared in those, we make our way through the separate packs and it turns out that this DRK only uses his AoE ONCE per pack, then just single-targets one of the mobs until its dead, then on to the next, doesn't even bother trying to get aggro back when its lost

Some extra healing on the DPS then who keep taking a beating because they're just doing their job, we reach the first boss, not much spectacular here except that the DRK manages to eat most of the statue blasts and slams with absolutely no signs of learning, it's also good that this boss doesn't do a cleave because the DRK seemed to be doing his best to keep him facing us as much as possible

We reach the batcave and RDM asks the DRK to please hold aggro, crickets and absolutely no changes follow, NIN seems to be holding back a bit until the RDM is getting slapped again with each pack

Second boss, NIN dies to a pillar falling on them, no biggie, easy resurrect, maybe this shows the DRK what happens if you don't dodge the pillars? Nope, DRK continues on to catch multiple pillars until death, thankfully I saved Swiftcast for this moment and immediately rez DRK.. except he takes his sweet time accepting, boss is now smacking me and starts his tankbuster, I die but the DRK is finally getting up, the boss is now smacking the NIN until the DRK eventually finds his provoke button, everyone's on low health now and RDM rezzes me just before the roomwide AoE goes off, I manage to heal everyone through it, the fight somehow finishes and we move on

Last bit wasn't very eventful considering there's pretty much nothing a Tank can really mess up on the last boss.. the RDM did take quite a beating on the way there though

Eden's Promise
I finally got around to doing these last night and every group, all four runs, had the same BLM that just.. would not move out of AoE? Not even the funny ''haha black mages stay in their leyline :D'' meme but just straight up not move out of any AoE, no matter when

I'm not exaggerating when I say this guy spent more time dead than alive across all four of these fights even with constant resurrections and multiple rescues out of bad stuff

I just don't understand how someone gets to that point in the game and then plays like that? An afk player probably would've avoided more, we still got through everything fine so its not like it impacted much but it was just so odd to see

To the other healer of our Copied Factory run:

I apologize for calling you dead weight, when I apparently mis-clicked your raise as explained by others in the party, even though I was sure I pressed the button (I didn't). I hope you enjoyed Broiling for the rest of the run as I became Super (embarrassed) Healer TM; giving you pretty much all the caster damage cards (cause there were no casters--just ranged) and putting up with party shenanigans (DPS stealing tank tethers, DPS standing outside the missile barrier, etc) without further snark. I am quick to point out people that I think are purposely AFK (there's a lot of that going on on our Datacenter for some reason) but in this case you were just ded and my raise apparently didn't go off. So, sorry for that. Hope you had a wonderful night. XD

Still Kinda Embarrassed,

Me

Ran -a lot- CLL this past week. I cycle through many different jobs to keep my cache supply balanced.

Each run mileage was different... but I'll just write down 1:

Rolled as an AST. Enters the run packed with 20 Ether Kits because I forgot to take them out for something else better, but got out from the run with only 2 Ether Kits left in stock. That was a shitton amount of rezzing I had to throw. Second half of Dawon's encounter was basically brute forcing with all those weakness & brink of death debuff.

Also what's wrong with people nowadays failing to rescue all 6 prisoners even with 32+ players in the raid?! I remembered having far less in the past but we were still able to rescue all 6 more consistently!

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Ran -a lot- CLL this past week. I cycle through many different jobs to keep my cache supply balanced.

Each run mileage was different... but I'll just write down 1:

Rolled as an AST. Enters the run packed with 20 Ether Kits because I forgot to take them out for something else better, but got out from the run with only 2 Ether Kits left in stock. That was a shitton amount of rezzing I had to throw. Second half of Dawon's encounter was basically brute forcing with all those weakness & brink of death debuff.

Also what's wrong with people nowadays failing to rescue all 6 prisoners even with 32+ players in the raid?! I remembered having far less in the past but we were still able to rescue all 6 more consistently!

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If it makes you feel better one run of CLL I went in as WHM with a friend, one group snagged me and one other healer, two tanks, and 3 dps, with my friend on BRD. Somehow my party got split up after directions were called (I told them to go intercardinal first as it's easier and quicker to deal with), one tank decides to go West and another with another group NW. I sighed to myself and just tried to keep this silly tank alive. We only rescued 3/6 with 36 people in the raid.

Same raid run one party didn't have a healer, and I realized later I should've went with them at the start, as my party couldn't keep themselves standing for some reason (people had Lost actions on, people had hp boosting essences on, but just could not do mechanics for their lives). Between Devil Boy and Derp-Derp, I had to hand out a lovely total of 42 raises and burned a good 6 lost chainspells just to get people back up between those two fights. 42. Raises. Total. Between two freakin' fights. How do I know the number? I have a short raise macro of who I'm raising. I had to go back and count every. Single. One.

If they release a new job in 7.0, it should be Necromancer. We need easier raises if we're stuck on Rez duty.

At least when we got to Derp-Derp, I swapped parties to the one that didn't have a healer. It was such a massive improvement, but that other healer couldn't keep that party I left in alive at ALL. The WAR in the new party I was in was riding Nascent like there was no tomorrow to help keep his party alive.

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Originally Posted by morsdood

Qitana Revel
Tank is a DRK, seems to understand the laser wall part alright, crumbles like actual paper on the first attempted w2w, turns out to still be wearing Shire pieces and to be not very mindful of enemy AoE

Alright so a slower run, I don't mind, its a leveling dungeon and its not out of the ordinary for people to be somewhat undergeared in those, we make our way through the separate packs and it turns out that this DRK only uses his AoE ONCE per pack, then just single-targets one of the mobs until its dead, then on to the next, doesn't even bother trying to get aggro back when its lost

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i understand your desire to extend the most understanding possible, but wearing Shire in Ravel is just completely unacceptable

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

To the other healer of our Copied Factory run:

I apologize for calling you dead weight, when I apparently mis-clicked your raise as explained by others in the party, even though I was sure I pressed the button (I didn't). I hope you enjoyed Broiling for the rest of the run as I became Super (embarrassed) Healer TM; giving you pretty much all the caster damage cards (cause there were no casters--just ranged) and putting up with party shenanigans (DPS stealing tank tethers, DPS standing outside the missile barrier, etc) without further snark. I am quick to point out people that I think are purposely AFK (there's a lot of that going on on our Datacenter for some reason) but in this case you were just ded and my raise apparently didn't go off. So, sorry for that. Hope you had a wonderful night. XD

Still Kinda Embarrassed,

Me

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Uhh, caster damage card? Spire, Bole, and Ewer's optimal effect work for all ranged attackers (and healers too, but don't use the cards on healers if there's a DPS still hanging around....) be they Ranged Physical DPS or Magical DPS....

Or maybe I'm missing a joke here or something?

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

To the other healer of our Copied Factory run:

I apologize for calling you dead weight, when I apparently mis-clicked your raise as explained by others in the party, even though I was sure I pressed the button (I didn't). I hope you enjoyed Broiling for the rest of the run as I became Super (embarrassed) Healer TM; giving you pretty much all the caster damage cards (cause there were no casters--just ranged) and putting up with party shenanigans (DPS stealing tank tethers, DPS standing outside the missile barrier, etc) without further snark. I am quick to point out people that I think are purposely AFK (there's a lot of that going on on our Datacenter for some reason) but in this case you were just ded and my raise apparently didn't go off. So, sorry for that. Hope you had a wonderful night. XD

Still Kinda Embarrassed,

Me

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They died and you didn’t raise them, called them dead weight while they’re dpsing and then gave them all the ranged cards? Funny. There are melee/tank cards and then ranged/healer cards by the way, not differentiated by physical or magic.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Also what's wrong with people nowadays failing to rescue all 6 prisoners even with 32+ players in the raid?! I remembered having far less in the past but we were still able to rescue all 6 more consistently!

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People fall to call their directions, and fail to communicate that to the party as well. So you get, say, a 46/48 CLL where no one goes Southwest

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Originally Posted by SnowVix

People fall to call their directions, and fail to communicate that to the party as well. So you get, say, a 46/48 CLL where no one goes Southwest

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Now that you mention it, you reminded me of another story that I wanted to wrote last night but I forgot to! It basically what your reply describes:

It was a run consisting of 32+ players. Brionac & Helldiver down, I called for my party: NW. Shortly after I see 2 more quadrant being called out except SW (lol what a coincidence). I take a quick glance after we deal with the trash mobs & Albeleo; there's a group facing the Eastern site. I scrolled up again to make sure if I missed anything.... nope. Nothing out of ordinary. SW is still missing.

Anyway... once the barrier lifts off, we sprint to our assigned quadrant. I turned off other players' name so I couldn't see well enough, but I was pretty sure there were some stragglers going together with us. Nevertheless, we made a quick work of our prisoner and jump down to western site. The prisoners rescued sits at 4/6 for uncomfortably long period. We end up rescuing 5/6. SW prisoner was dead. This spurs up some salt in the chat, prompting one of them to yell: "Should've done intercardinals first. But people aren't paying attention and went to NW with us :')"

Somebody in our party went "What the -chirp-" in party chat (And myself too, internally. I mean why not?! I was the -FIRST- to call out my direction and I hear nothing out of their group.)

I replied in yell "For the record, I was the one who called NW first. That being said because I don't have names turned on I could've not seen any other players around me beside my own party.".

And their follow up reply?
"That level of attention callout is not even needed. People just need to look and be aware to assist whichever site needs to be helped."

So which one is it? Need more attention, or nah, mate? :rolleyes: Whatever, sure Jan. There's no talking around such individual.

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

To the other healer of our Copied Factory run:

I apologize for calling you dead weight, when I apparently mis-clicked your raise as explained by others in the party, even though I was sure I pressed the button (I didn't). I hope you enjoyed Broiling for the rest of the run as I became Super (embarrassed) Healer TM; giving you pretty much all the caster damage cards (cause there were no casters--just ranged) and putting up with party shenanigans (DPS stealing tank tethers, DPS standing outside the missile barrier, etc) without further snark. I am quick to point out people that I think are purposely AFK (there's a lot of that going on on our Datacenter for some reason) but in this case you were just ded and my raise apparently didn't go off. So, sorry for that. Hope you had a wonderful night. XD

Still Kinda Embarrassed,

Me

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Now that you mention it, you reminded me of another story that I wanted to wrote last night but I forgot to! It basically what your reply describes: ...

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You know what annoys me, personally, in CLL?

I'll call my party's intercardinal - usually as soon as the entirety of the raid is by the door waiting for the drill to smash it, so I know it's seen in /yell.

We move into the room and begin fighting Albeleo, and I'll see someone call - in /yell! - the same damn intercardinal. There's plenty of time to have looked up to see what's already being called, y'all. And at least 40% of the time, I don't see them realize and backtrack to call a different one - at which point I have to remind them in chat.

I know reading is hard for people in this game for some reason, but come on.

Normal raid on my PLD, got Omega (again).
So other tank, a DRK, puts on tank stance so I leave mine turned off, get to the back of the boss and do my 123 thing. First Mustard Bomb cast, he drops below 30% because he took it raw, then panic uses his 30% mitigation. I Reprisal'd it but didn't have enough gauge for Intervention yet. Starboard/ Larboard comes, he gets both wrong and eats two vuln stacks. Hands spawn, he eats another vuln stack.
I see a random Rampart way before the next tankbuster, he's really low on HP, so I get to the front and voke it off him. He first runs to the side and then back to stacking with me, next tankbuster comes and he gets one shot by the cleave.
Alright, I guess I'll keep te boss for a b- nevermind, he got ressed and immediately voked while at low HP.
Sure, have your boss back.
Next Starboard/ Larboard and he adds another two to his existing two vuln stacks, tankbuster comes aaand he's dead. Again.
That's how you do a tank swap: just die. c:
Oh, and we almost wiped to the Level Checker. I'm pretty sure the cast animation already went out when it died.

Sometimes I wonder if people notice anything at all. If I have 4 vuln stacks my first thought isn't "I should really tank this boss, especially now that I don't even have mitigation!". Nor would I voke a boss when I'm at low HP and vuln stacks unless the other tank positioned the boss in a way that's clearly detrimental for the party. Then I'd voke and worst case, blow invuln, position the boss and Shirk.

Man, I hate it when I start talking like some sort of tutorial NPC and still get ignored.

Remember to use Holy on mobs to stun them! Debuffs with a white line over them can be cleared with Esuna! Instead of applying Regen individually to each person, try Medica II!

Followed by them using Cure I and Regen exclusively the entire dungeon. I'd say I don't know why I bother, but I do. Many people listen. But imagine ignoring most of the buttons you're given in favour of a very boring way to play the game. (I'd say also ignoring job quests, but you gotta have Esuna, at the very least.)

On a lighter note, I reminded someone else to use Holy and they said something like "Roger o7" and started using it, it was cute.

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Originally Posted by Cubsbane

Man, I hate it when I start talking like some sort of tutorial NPC and still get ignored.

Remember to use Holy on mobs to stun them! Debuffs with a white line over them can be cleared with Esuna! Instead of applying Regen individually to each person, try Medica II!

Followed by them using Cure I and Regen exclusively the entire dungeon. I'd say I don't know why I bother, but I do. Many people listen. But imagine ignoring most of the buttons you're given in favour of a very boring way to play the game. (I'd say also ignoring job quests, but you gotta have Esuna, at the very least.)

On a lighter note, I reminded someone else to use Holy and they said something like "Roger o7" and started using it, it was cute.

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But I did use all my buttons... (I just forgot to target the tank first so I used them all with one of the mobs targeted)

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

But I did use all my buttons... (I just forgot to target the tank first so I used them all with one of the mobs targeted)

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Holy and Medica II ain't need any target.

I feel you, though. Accidental self-benedictions always hurt.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

You know what annoys me, personally, in CLL?

I'll call my party's intercardinal - usually as soon as the entirety of the raid is by the door waiting for the drill to smash it, so I know it's seen in /yell.

We move into the room and begin fighting Albeleo, and I'll see someone call - in /yell! - the same damn intercardinal. There's plenty of time to have looked up to see what's already being called, y'all. And at least 40% of the time, I don't see them realize and backtrack to call a different one - at which point I have to remind them in chat.

I know reading is hard for people in this game for some reason, but come on.

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I did the exact thing everytime I'm leading a party too: calling out my intercardinal once Brionac is down. There's no way people would've missed it even in /yell chat. But I usually insta-remind people if they end up calling the same direction before we start to split up.

Those who never said anything are the one that annoys me more than anything because not only I can't see other players' names to see if there are any stragglers coming along with us; I have no clue where the h3ll these players are heading to. There could be enough players to form 4 full groups but one of them decide to do either East or West without saying anything because it's the easiest and the closest site then end up screwing a potential 6/6. Then when they got called out to prioritize intercardinal after failing, suddenly the pettiness level is Jedi.

Note to self: whenever you take bets from the party as to what boss you'll probably have an alliance wipe on in LoTA, it will usually be quite close to happening. Also note to self: stop taking bets, you've already lost 6 coffees.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

Note to self: whenever you take bets from the party as to what boss you'll probably have an alliance wipe on in LoTA, it will usually be quite close to happening. Also note to self: stop taking bets, you've already lost 6 coffees.

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Not LotA, but I saw a wipe on Amon a couple days ago to his big flare because the frog'd people melted every ice block that spawned.

I lost what little faith I had left in ST that day.

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Originally Posted by Cubsbane

Man, I hate it when I start talking like some sort of tutorial NPC and still get ignored.

Remember to use Holy on mobs to stun them! Debuffs with a white line over them can be cleared with Esuna! Instead of applying Regen individually to each person, try Medica II!

Followed by them using Cure I and Regen exclusively the entire dungeon. I'd say I don't know why I bother, but I do. Many people listen. But imagine ignoring most of the buttons you're given in favour of a very boring way to play the game. (I'd say also ignoring job quests, but you gotta have Esuna, at the very least.)

On a lighter note, I reminded someone else to use Holy and they said something like "Roger o7" and started using it, it was cute.

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I just read your post in the Reddittales on yourtube voice lol. Try it. And play the background music they use. - Watching the clouds- By Lakey Inspired :D

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Originally Posted by Cubsbane

Man, I hate it when I start talking like some sort of tutorial NPC and still get ignored.

Remember to use Holy on mobs to stun them! Debuffs with a white line over them can be cleared with Esuna! Instead of applying Regen individually to each person, try Medica II!

Followed by them using Cure I and Regen exclusively the entire dungeon. I'd say I don't know why I bother, but I do. Many people listen. But imagine ignoring most of the buttons you're given in favour of a very boring way to play the game. (I'd say also ignoring job quests, but you gotta have Esuna, at the very least.)

On a lighter note, I reminded someone else to use Holy and they said something like "Roger o7" and started using it, it was cute.

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Another little annoyance is probably someone taking an advice in the worst way possible.
A tank asked the healer to not use Medica/Medica 2 while doing the big mob pull then later healer proceed to never touch those during boss fight and decided to cast cure 2 for each party member getting us almost killed. I ended up explaining after the boss fight that the tip was meant for mob pulling. And this was in Qitana Ravel.

Still most of people listen to advice and take it well so it is nice.
A fun experience was a gunbreaker in the lv77 dungeon telling me he was going to superbolide in the pull before the 2nd boss fight so it was nice coordinating invuln, benediction and then holy. PLD and GNB have great invuln but can be annoying to use them at full effect with a white mage because it wastes those with stun spam

expert roulette feels like sastasha. it went full circle. recently i did matoyas on schoolar... my fairie healed everything (and the fairies skills).

yesterday i did expert as a blm.... matoyas.
now i dont have a lot of experience as blm and my gear isnt that great. we had a samurai with good gear. dont remember what healer we got, but he wasnt bad either. drk tank was a new player, very slow did some mistake, pulls only single packs.
it was a terrible run. the enemies died fast.... too fast. i couldnt do once a full rotation on trash. the skillflow was terrible. not fun... not. at. all.
reminded me of sastasha too where you cant finush your casts because the adds die too fast.

I'm not sure if people who have never played summoner understand this or not, but our summons have time limits when it's Bahamut and Phoenix.

If you are going to pull everything to the end 'room' before the next area, please give a warning or say so the start of the dungeon.
Otherwise, we summon one of the two, and then you start pulling, and we have to run to catchup, wasting the summon.

This has happened more than once, but todays was the most annoying. As when I spoke up to ask about it after it happened, they vote kicked me.

It's a pet peeve in general for me when tanks do big pulls but can't seem to decide when it enough is enough and pause long enough to make everyone think it's okay to drop their ground AoEs and pop cooldowns then resume running a moment later.

I can only hope that whatever interaction Hakke Mujinsatsu seems to has with Doton only requires it to be active and not for you actually be standing in it otherwise NIN AoE will get gimped even more by tanks who don't know how to position things properly.

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Originally Posted by Nekaru_Infitima

I'm not sure if people who have never played summoner understand this or not, but our summons have time limits when it's Bahamut and Phoenix.

If you are going to pull everything to the end 'room' before the next area, please give a warning or say so the start of the dungeon.
Otherwise, we summon one of the two, and then you start pulling, and we have to run to catchup, wasting the summon.

This has happened more than once, but todays was the most annoying. As when I spoke up to ask about it after it happened, they vote kicked me.

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Wait, sorry, I'm confused. Why would they need to give a warning to pull big? Are they seemingly stopping at one point for several seconds only to continue pulling?

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Originally Posted by Cubsbane

Man, I hate it when I start talking like some sort of tutorial NPC and still get ignored.

Remember to use Holy on mobs to stun them! Debuffs with a white line over them can be cleared with Esuna! Instead of applying Regen individually to each person, try Medica II!

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TIL. I've been going off memory for years.

What do you get when you combine a NIN who only uses Doton/Hyoton as their only mudras and never uses TA/melee aoes, a non-melee RDM, and a shire-wearing SCH that only uses Adlo, Lustrate, Excog and Physick on you, the DRK that wants to mass pull in Doma Castle?

A walking 30-min disaster.

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Originally Posted by Cubsbane

Wait, sorry, I'm confused. Why would they need to give a warning to pull big? Are they seemingly stopping at one point for several seconds only to continue pulling?

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Yes. They stop, fight a a few seconds, then continue pulling it further instead of just starting the pull to begin with, so then I summoned thinking we were fighting there. I asked them to give warning next time and got kicked.

Basically what the guy after my post said as well.

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Originally Posted by Nekaru_Infitima

Yes. They stop, fight a a few seconds, then continue pulling it further instead of just starting the pull to begin with, so then I summoned thinking we were fighting there. I asked them to give warning next time and got kicked.

Basically what the guy after my post said as well.

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I've stopped as a tank and likely annoyed someone, but only because I'm tagging something that's likely eating at the healer pretty rough before I continue. It's hard to communicate this without wiping though, so it just looks like I'm a bit indecisive to DPS (who likely aren't paying attention to aggro so long as it's not on them, which isn't a bad thing.)

It's not indecisiveness, it's needing to really quickly nab aggro from something before continuing. If you notice that we stop and seem to target something specifically before continuing, that's likely why.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

The tank could also do their job, regardless of whether a DPS pulls or not. Some may not like it, and that's what a kick function is for. Just as they can be kicked, the tank can be kicked too. It doesn't encourage anything. This can be the cause of full on wipes. It's a complete waste of time.

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While I agree that tank should be pulling regardless of who picked up the aggro first, I really don't like that tank/heal should do their job argument because when you apply this to healers you more or less claim that it is a healer's job to take care of and support all types of degeneracy across DF which is not true.

With that said, I don't run across people who are pulling instead of me. I am always rushing ahead. DPS getting hit by mobs once is not that big of a deal and it doesn't bother me that much when I playing a tank. It almost never happens but when it does it is just fine. Their HP is not my concern. When I am playing healer and some DPS is running ahead, I don't heal them. Running ahead is on them unless the tank is trolling everything should be fine. I might run ahead of the tank as well but I don't heal myself in most cases either unless I am WHM. I just put regen on the tank and me and walk together. I get aggro because I have applied regen before they have established aggro but that's alright I can heal through the damage with regen alone. Sharing the damage from the initial impact also reduces the amount of HP that you need to heal in order to keep the tank alive during the pull as well so there is that.

So what we have concluded seems to be tanks and healers, do your job. But dps are excused and can do whatever. Even if it makes it a lil difficult for others to do theirs in a clean manner.
Got it

Sure, if tanks stop to grab an enemy, that's one thing. But some tanks are genuinely confusing. The pull size is inconsistent, they'll stop for a while (actually stop) and then keep going even though everyone else has set up... It's frustrating.

There's a very clear difference, too. If an enemy has gone over to hit another party member, or if the tank has to aim their AOE so it hits everything, you can tell if you're looking. A tank just stopping and then doing their AOE several times is unnecessary unless they wanna set up shop there. Enmity building only takes a hit or two, and if someone else gets it while the tank is running to the next mob, they can pop sprint and stand next to them so they take it back. Easy.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

So what we have concluded seems to be tanks and healers, do your job. But dps are excused and can do whatever. Even if it makes it a lil difficult for others to do theirs in a clean manner.
Got it

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said no one ever

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

said no one ever

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I mean, if you've been following the thread, the consensus is "whoever wants to pull can pull, healers/tanks adjust". There's no responsibility on DPS.

All I've seen is people saying "Tanks do your job. If a DPS pulls, it's the tank's job to pick it up. And the healer's job to keep alive." DPS have no accountibility here.

Good meme response, though.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

I mean, if you've been following the thread, the consensus is "whoever wants to pull can pull, healers/tanks adjust". There's no responsibility on DPS.

All I've seen is people saying "Tanks do your job. If a DPS pulls, it's the tank's job to pick it up. And the healer's job to keep alive." DPS have no accountibility here.

Good meme response, though.

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it's the DPS' responsibility to kill the mobs, it's the tanks responsibility to keep aggro and it's the healers responsibility to kill mobs and heal when needed
I'm glad I could explain dungeons and the unspoken rules to you

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it's the DPS' responsibility to kill the mobs, it's the tanks responsibility to keep aggro and it's the healers responsibility to kill mobs and heal when needed
I'm glad I could explain dungeons and the unspoken rules to you

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It is not the dps responsibility to pull for the tank. That’s what the conversation is about. Glad I could get you caught up

everyone can pull
thank you for coming to my ted talk

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everyone can pull
thank you for coming to my ted talk

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I get you’re trying to be clever while simultaneously being rude. That’s fine. But general etiquette would be to let the tank pull. Instead what generally happens is someone else pulls, they don’t even bring it to the tank. They kite it around. It does not get aoe’d down.
Sometimes the tank is mid pull and has to stop momentarily to pick up the adds. (Not everyone is mk player and tabbing through with a d pad can be troublesome). This may cause the tank to take more damage from being stationary. Etc. Etc.
But let’s not just let the tank pull. Let’s make a mess and others can clean it up. You do you

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

I get you’re trying to be clever while simultaneously being rude. That’s fine. But general etiquette would be to let the tank pull. Instead what generally happens is someone else pulls, they don’t even bring it to the tank. They kite it around. It does not get aoe’d down.
Sometimes the tank is mid pull and has to stop momentarily to pick up the adds. (Not everyone is mk player and tabbing through with a d pad can be troublesome). This may cause the tank to take more damage from being stationary. Etc. Etc.
But let’s not just let the tank pull. Let’s make a mess and others can clean it up. You do you

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DPS who don't bring the mobs to the tank are stupid, everyone agrees on that. But DPS or healers pulling at all isn't an issue so long as they don't run off into Narnia with them.

I tend to see way more tanks throwing baby tantrums about extra mobs than I do DPS/heals running circles around with them, though. So I'd say tanks having rancid ego trips is a lot more common than the occasional idiot who won't pull things to the person who can actually take aggro from them.

Either way, do we really need this circular argument to start up again and derail the thread? Get new material, y'all - this one's old and tired.