Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

I'm done, these people can't read.

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

Stop talking with your feelings and listen to what I'm saying.

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Wow...just wow...
Are you always this butt-hurt when you are told that you are wrong? Everyone can see the difference, but you! Who is talking about their feeling here? And listening to you? Who are you anyway? LOL
Do you not know the difference between being from the same species and being identical is? Cause that is what you said, that they are just males with boobs when in reality they aren't. The hands, legs, chest and head are smaller, akin to a female, while the male is bigger, with broader shoulders, muscular arms and legs and more buff. So yeah...you are either a troll or are unable to see. Or you just don't know what being from the same species means. If you take it like that Humans are all identical cause women are just men with breasts, when in reality you can absolutely tell the difference between a male and a female.

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Originally Posted by XiRon

I mean that art isnt quite as buff as malegar.
And its so funny how many people want femgar to just be men with a bust slider bc "sexual dimorphism bad" and thats just because they hate how wildly different the au ra sexes are.
We can assume based on bozjan mural art femgar will be slightly shorter than femroe and skinnier than malegar and thats it.

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

The mural is just abstract, I wouldn't take anything from that.

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The mural actually tells you a whole lot, been talking about it ever since Bozja gave it to us. The devs aren't stupid or foolish enough to go through the effort of making canon in game art of what people in their kingdom depicted them as if it's not meant to be fairly accurate. As such, we have a character in game that's in the mural and acts as a point of ref to how to interpret the visuals.
https://i.imgur.com/1JsEmdb.png

Simply put, I think people who expect dudes-with-boobs are looking at this that way because we got a fun dose of Sexual Dimorphism with Draggos that they want to rebel against.
Roe are the "biggest, most rugged race", that's their thing. Roebros are still the biggest, beefiest dudes in the game (even the shortest Roebro is taller than the tallest Hrothgar). So yeah, Hrothgals are not gonna be as tall or as buff as Femroe as we can safely assume that they will hold onto their title as the "biggest, most rugged" race. That logic is perfectly inline with the mural.

Thing is, a "shorter and more feminine Femroe" is basically every other tall Female ... seeing as unlike the Roemales who have a unique rig, the females are just taller/ more masculine looking female middies. For all the crying of Draggo sexual dimorphism, I rarely see people acknowledge that the Roe are the 2nd most noticeable example of it. Femroe basically just look like tall gym teachers.

It's why I say I'm far more interested in theorizing what the devs WILL do over what people think they should do or want them to do. The buff Hrothgals kinda just ignore everything the devs have done.

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

Wow...just wow...
Are you always this butt-hurt when you are told that you are wrong? Everyone can see the difference, but you! Who is talking about their feeling here? And listening to you? Who are you anyway? LOL
Do you not know the difference between being from the same species and being identical is? Cause that is what you said, that they are just males with boobs when in reality they aren't. The hands, legs, chest and head are smaller, akin to a female, while the male is bigger, with broader shoulders, muscular arms and legs and more buff. So yeah...you are either a troll or are unable to see. Or you just don't know what being from the same species means. If you take it like that Humans are all identical cause women are just men with breasts, when in reality you can absolutely tell the difference between a male and a female.

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Wow, talk about being completely fuckiing oblivious to the whole situation.

From the start I've been saying it's just too similar, that it's just a femine male Hrothgar with tits.

You: No, but you see, they're slimmer and are more feminine!

That's the part I told you I have issue with and to listen to, you muppet.

Maybe stop fantasizing about your furry bestiality, you could have understood something so simple.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

It's why I say I'm far more interested in theorizing what the devs WILL do over what people think they should do or want them to do. The buff Hrothgals kinda just ignore everything the devs have done.

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What would be some subjects you would like to theorise? I love theorising about games and coming from DBD where I used to be in a lot of communities that were theorising about who the next killers will be. This would be a very interesting line of thought and subject of discussion!

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

Wow, talk about being completely fuckiing oblivious to the whole situation.

From the start I've been saying it's just too similar, that it's just a femine male Hrothgar with tits.

You: No, but you see, they're slimmer and are more feminine!

That's the part I told you I have issue with and to listen to, you muppet.

Maybe stop fantasizing about your furry bestiality, you could have understood something so simple.

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You must really have been dropped in the head as a child or something cause your comment was not that. LMAO And "Fantasizing about your furry bestiality" ok you degenerate, I wasn't I was just showing you the difference between them! Cause YOU SAID that they are boring cause they look like males with boobs. You did not say they were similar. And got bitchy and defensive when called out on it. Why don't you go outside and touch some grass? Or better yet listen to your own advice and re-read what your comment was! You actual muppet XD

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

Kamaho's take on female Hrothgar is just boring to me. It's literally male Hrothgar with tits, what's the point in asking for a new addition if it's going to be pretty much the same?

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Here is your comment, your lying highness. XD

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

You must really have been dropped in the head as a child or something cause your comment was not that. LMAO And "Fantasizing about your furry bestiality" ok you degenerate, I wasn't I was just showing you the difference between them! Cause YOU SAID that they are boring cause they look like males with boobs. You did not say they were similar. And got bitchy and defensive when called out on it. Why don't you go outside and touch some grass? Or better yet listen to your own advice and re-read what your comment was! You actual muppet XD

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

Kamaho's take on female Hrothgar is just boring to me. It's literally male Hrothgar with tits, what's the point in asking for a new addition if it's going to be pretty much the same?

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You absolute clown.

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

Here is your comment, your lying highness. XD

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In what world does pretty much the same and similar not have the same meaning? The fuck is wrong with you? Are you just trying to find excuses to antagonize me? Piss off.

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

You absolute clown.

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Ok boomer.

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

I would love that too, but sadly they didn't do that for the males so there are probably not gonna do it for the females. Most that we might get is like the males the starting gear will have claws on the hands and feet. Long hair would be definitely cool though!

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More likely we will get Miqote + Thighlander Eqyptian Cheetah overlords. But we will see. I feel like they will take the cheap way out and use a femroe skelly and then only offer short hair options and do another Hrothgar Fantasia scam to maximize fantasia sales like they did with Male Hrothgar by tying customization and hairstyle to face type.

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Similar and same are not the same. A shiitake and an oyster mushroom are similar while 2 shiitake would be the same in texture taste and cultivation methods while an Oyster is grown the same it has different factors to consider. A big mushroom to consider is the Matsutake which can only be grown over very specific conditions and is the rarest and by far most expensive.

Another easy example is a bee and a wasp are similar but not the same.

And now you know things.

Even better. Lion and Tiger. Not the same. But also felines.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

More likely we will get Miqote + Thighlander Eqyptian Cheetah overlords. But we will see. I feel like they will take the cheap way out and use a femroe skelly and then only offer short hair options and do another Hrothgar Fantasia scam to maximize fantasia sales like they did with Male Horthgar by tying customization and hairstyle to face type.

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I don't think that.

1) When Hrothgar males were originally shown they had to cut some head concepts for looking too much like a Miquo'te. The Highlander model doesn't look bad and I wouldn't complain about it as long as they modified it (like how the Male Viera model was made with the skeleton of the Midlander, they do tend to reuse those for ease of animation and coding).

2) They would probably not do that scam again, simply because they are making them with shared hair in mind, which they didn't do with the males and that's why we had to pay for a hair change. Thing is that now they managed to make them work on the males so I don't see why they would shoot themselves in the foot by doing the same mistake twice.

3) Yeah, long hair is probably a nice dream. The longest hairstyle in the game is Great Lengths and that one clips through everything. So they might not go that route, but hey it's still a nice wish and something I have seen some people want. So maybe in the future when we will get an engine upgrade.

I'm just hoping they learned from their past mistakes in that regard. Tying hair to faces was not a good move on their part. But I think the murals dictating what Femgar will look like is probably our best metric in the long term for now since they aren't going to talk about them until 7.0.

Especially with their recent issue of Hrothgar having no ears with certain hairstyles.

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

You absolute clown.


In what world does pretty much the same and similar not have the same meaning? The fuck is wrong with you? Are you just trying to find excuses to antagonize me? Piss off.

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Dude...you really are blind as a bat... If you can't see that you yourself said that they are "male Hrothgar with tits" then that's on you.

No one is antagonising you, dummy. Get outside and breathe some air. You got heated over a fictional character model that doesn't even exist yet. LOL calm down.

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

In what world does pretty much the same and similar not have the same meaning? The fuck is wrong with you? Are you just trying to find excuses to antagonize me? Piss off.

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In this context. You said that in the picture that I posted were male Hrothgar but with tits. Which I agree are pretty much the same as male Hrothgar. 1 problem though... I did not post a picture of a male Hrothgar with tits, I posted a picture of what a female Hrothgar could look like. It doesn't take a genius to see an interpretation of a female Hrothgar in that picture. So no they are not "pretty much the same" as you imply or later say similar.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

I'm just hoping they learned from their past mistakes in that regard. Tying hair to faces was not a good move on their part. But I think the murals dictating what Femgar will look like is probably our best metric in the long term for now since they aren't going to talk about them until 7.0.

Especially with their recent issue of Hrothgar having no ears with certain hairstyles.

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Honestly me too. The year problem was thankfully resolved and is a good first step, now they just need to keep working on them, improve the formula and integrated them into the pipeline. I have hopes that F Hrothgar will look good. (not to big, but moderate)

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

What would be some subjects you would like to theorise? I love theorising about games and coming from DBD where I used to be in a lot of communities that were theorising about who the next killers will be. This would be a very interesting line of thought and subject of discussion!

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This whole thread is laced with my rambles, but the TL;DR version is "Body shape wise, Horthgals are gonna look like the Bozja Queen (which basically looks like a mix of Viera/ a slimmer and curvier Femroe) and face wise, they're not gonna have the facial diversity of the males and have some elements changed to make a more game friendly balance of beast and human features to accommodate the fact that they're gonna use shared hair.


Longer version? I already posted the body break down of the mural, so I think they will have this body on the left.
https://i.imgur.com/KNualtU.png
https://i.imgur.com/awf1Cn2.png

We know that Bozja's development was cursed, and we know the only official finalized concept art of "the queen" was as a Hrothgar. One can assume that they planned for her to be a Hrothgal before making her a Femroe, which would explain the unique body for this Femroe NPC. Even ignoring all that and assuming that they never wanted to make her "Hrothgal like", it's still an indication of what they think a better looking Femroe would look like, as there's no reason to change the body so greatly from that of a Femroe.

As for the face, looking at any non-lala race will show you that ... they never give females the level of facial diversity as males. Whereas dudes can look old/ rugged/ handsome/ young/ dangerous or w/e, women generally look like 4 versions of an attractive 20 something woman of their race. Hrothgar have EXTREMELY different faces (so much so that it's to their own detriment) partly because it's harder to tell the difference between two animal faces if they don't look fairly different. I could easily see them making them strike a better balance of animal to beast face features to accommodate hair AND so that they can make 4 different faces without having to go as far as the males. Simply put, I think they will look more "human" (more vertical forehead/ reduced snout) than the males, but will retain their animal features. Because of this, they would look better in hair and also not have to have "Gaint FF thunder cat whiskers!" be a face feature to make a face look different.

On the topic of faces, I point to my break-down of the human vs beast features in the Hrothgar male's head.
https://i.imgur.com/73J5mu9.png

Lets check out the mural and concept art that many here like to ignore ...
https://i.imgur.com/p5twvDA.png

What do I read from this?
General Female human face shape, much like the dudes have the general rectangle male face shape consistent with the prominent cheek bones and square jaws found in other males.

https://i.imgur.com/PdFeAjv.jpg

Cat like ears.
Indication of a cat like nose
Human eye placement
Prominent female human like lip, chin and jaw
Female human eyebrow area.

So yeah, I think it's in line with what we would get if they replaced the male human face features with that of an arvg female in this game.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

This whole thread is laced with my rambles, but the TL;DR version is "Body shape wise, Horthgals are gonna look like the Bozja Queen (which basically looks like a mix of Viera/ a slimmer and curvier Femroe) and face wise, they're not gonna have the facial diversity of the males and have some elements changed to make a more game friendly balance of beast and human features to accommodate the fact that they're gonna use shared hair.

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I can see that. I like the mural interpretation of the body, the head is pretty much hard to make out from a front view. So there is a possibility of them looking more like house cats in the face... Something like the Egyptian Goddes Bastet? If there was like a side view of them or some snip bit from either Bozjan architecture or the Logs to have a small idea. 1 thing that I noticed is the mural... almost looks like an Egyptian mural, and Cats were venerated like royalty in ancient Egypt... do you think they might have been hinting at this? Or is it just my brain making connections where they aren't?

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

So yeah, I think it's in line with what we would get if they replaced the male human face features with that of an arvg female in this game.

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Just saw your edit. And I can see what you mean with the body (I appreciate the visual aid). But you could argue that Misija's ancestor's body changed when she took the blood of the queen in her veins, changing her body to look more akin to a Female Hrothgar, but keeping her Roe height. 1 think that we know about Eikon possession is that it makes you taller, not shrink you. This can be seen when Misija summons her and she is almost double in height. But we did not see the same event happen with the human form of Ysayle which remained at her original size. From that, we can conclude that the FH body will look the same as that of the Queen but have the same height as how the mural portrays it.

With the head, though, it has only been shown from a front-side view. We could draw the lines on it and make it more visible, as you said: the human jawline, chin, bottom lip, cheekbones, eye placement and brow ridge are represented, but being from the front it's hard to make out the lines and how shadows place itself on the face to give a more 3D look. The body has them, but the face is very bright, leading to a very flat face, looking too humanoid. This leads me to 1 of 2 theories:
1) They only have the idea of what the body will look like, so are artificially brightening the face (giving it 0 shadows) in a hope that the details will be muddled enough that they won't be seen.
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2) They are planning to give them a humanoid face with no snout. Which a lot of people, myself included would not be happy with.

The best scenario is the one you described of them having softer features with a smaller snout.

This is kind of what I mean when I say that the face is too bright, just adding some details makes a big difference. Apologies in advance since I am not a very good retoucher.

https://i.imgur.com/evoa6KX.png

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

I'm done, these people can't read.

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You're the one who thinks that picture looked like a male with boobs (which calls into question your ability to see). There are enough variations there to tell differences between the sexes, like in real life with humans and lions.

I'm genuinely excited for Hrothgals! :D It'd give me an excuse to make an alt.

imo, I think you're more likely to see a more viera centric head type with an alternating body type like thighlander since female viera already have the face presets for an elongated but shortened snout range.

Given that female felines don't have much in the way of visible breasts except when nursing, I'd like to see SE conform with that, and give female Hrothgar (other than nursing NPCs) a breast size slider that goes from none to at most A-cup.
I'd also like to see only modest narrowing at the waist.
Differentiation from Hrothgar males would be by skeletal structure: more refined skulls, narrower shoulders, wider hips, more vertical posture.

It'd be different, without being too much work to adapt the existing gear to.

Female Hrothgar should be petit but well endowed with thicc thighs and Khajit head.
Otherwise it will be a a waste.
No one wants femroes 2.0

I said it a good while ago, but I could talk forever about my IDEAL bodytype for the Hrothgals: Femroe Body, follow suit with the males using MaleRoe body.
But honestly, as time moves on Im caring less about the body.....I just want them to have a Beast Face.
As long as the have a snout and a muzzle, and look like a Big Cat like their male Counterpart, then Ill Ultimately be happy.

But in the body, Im not asking for a roided bodybuilder, not looking for a refrigerator body. Just a tall, strong looking female...like the FemRoe.
Not a Man with tits.
There are beautiful and pretty girls out there with Muscle that arnt on roids.
And if anyone wants to bring back that Hrothgar are based on Ronso....well...the Females were very tall, like FemRoe.
So its not like my idea there is outlandish or anything.

And, to this day I wont move on my thoughts of the Mural.
Maybe Im wrong, Maybe Im right. But I wont conceed until they show us a Finalized Render, a REAL InGame Model.
Untill then, everything is speculation

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

I can see that. I like the mural interpretation of the body, the head is pretty much hard to make out from a front view. So there is a possibility of them looking more like house cats in the face... Something like the Egyptian Goddes Bastet? If there was like a side view of them or some snip bit from either Bozjan architecture or the Logs to have a small idea. 1 thing that I noticed is the mural... almost looks like an Egyptian mural, and Cats were venerated like royalty in ancient Egypt... do you think they might have been hinting at this? Or is it just my brain making connections where they aren't?

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No, I also felt that the mural was very "Egyptian themed" clothing wise with the white linen look and the gold. One thing I also took note of before was researching Bast and finding out that she use to be depicted with a Lion head and associated more so with vengeance at first. Over time, she started being depicted with the head of a domesticated house Cat, to be seen as more protective and benevolent as well as to connect to the role house cats played in their lives (when cats killing rats is whats keeping your gains from getting fked, they're gonna be seen as protective). The Lioness head became more associated with Sekhmet after that.
So I always thought "Small/ house cat" made sense.

As for details on the head, yeah, that's gonna have to be a "wait for some 3D renders" thing. There's lots of ways to pull it off, just seeing Lops boosted my confidence in them 5 fold.

I mean, see see stuff like this ...

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Originally Posted by Lubu_Mykono

Female Hrothgar should be petit but well endowed with thicc thighs and Khajit head.
Otherwise it will be a a waste.
No one wants femroes 2.0

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And it's funny someone should post this now. On the topic of "What I WANT vs what I think the devs will do" this sings truer than most.

Over a year ago, I dusted off my pencils and tried to work shop some art. After thinking about it, what I WANT would be a short pear shaped woman with a Loporrit style head. Something like a Midlander version of a Lala with cat Loporrit head. Simply put, it would actually be a unique body type that isn't really in the game. The only "pear shaped" women are Lalas and you either think they're cute lil adults that look like chibis ooor you're walking that dark line into creepo town.
2B bottoms and constant talk of butt sliders make it clear that people want the option to be bottom heavier than what's in the game, so why not make a race for that?
https://i.imgur.com/8th1bOV.png

Plus, the idea of Hrothgar being a race of huge simp dudes to some short stack women is just funny to me.

After Bozja made it clear that they were gonna be not-too-shorter than Femroe, slimmer and more feminine, I started penciling out what I thought played into that.
https://i.imgur.com/KgZmUIu.png
https://i.imgur.com/wSMaOd3.png
https://i.imgur.com/dxX8wsi.png

Stopped trying as I felt that, like pretty much all other female Hrothgar art I saw, it never really looked like a Hrothgar face. But it kinda clicked recently for me when I broke down the Hrothgar face, they have "human male face structure" with animal features added on ... my and most furry styles are the complete opposite by going for animal shaped heads with exaggerated human like eyes added ontop. That's why my cartoony cat women and most of the fan art I saw doesn't feel "right" to me, as they assume that Hrothgar are just animal headed characters with SOME human features.

Tis how I started using Midjourney, to see wtf a AI would do with the concept of smashing animal and human face features together. I'd say the result I post doesn't go human enough ... I could alter it to make the nose smaller, lips more prominent and do w/e with the ears as even SE doesn't care about making Lion accurate ears.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

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On a 2nd look, the 1st picture doesn't look THAT bad. I can almost visualize a Decent Feline face out of it.
But the other 2, no thanks. They just arnt doing it for me.

I just hope we don't get another situation of https://pics.me.me/orc-troll-demon-m...r-43946032.png whatever that meme is i'm fine.
Like can't we have mommy hrothgar that look like the one designed by Karmaho(@kkron_m on twitter) because they look so good....

"hope for the best, but prepare for the worst"

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Originally Posted by Allegor

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Originally Posted by Allegor

"hope for the best, but prepare for the worst"

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Still got about a year till 7.0 talks.
In a constant clench waiting for the Reveal.
GOD I hope its not a kick n the teeth.

My Hopium is strong

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Originally Posted by Allegor

"hope for the best, but prepare for the worst"

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sad but true

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

On a 2nd look, the 1st picture doesn't look THAT bad. I can almost visualize a Decent Feline face out of it.
But the other 2, no thanks. They just arnt doing it for me.

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It's not a "Do you like it" post.
It's there because, from a purely analytical standpoint, these were the kinda things I saw that actually took into account all the ways in which Hrothgar looked like human males and flipped them to female standards. Even the Korean art some of you like is just stylized-cat-heads-with-long-hair, completely disregarding the human elements found in the Hrothgar face. Such logic to me is flawed as they're not Khajiit, their human face structures are what allow them to emote like others and wear what headgear they do have.

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I just hope we don't get another situation of https://pics.me.me/orc-troll-demon-m...r-43946032.png whatever that meme is i'm fine.
Like can't we have mommy hrothgar that look like the one designed by Karmaho(@kkron_m on twitter) because they look so good....

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That meme is feminist virtue signaling, and iirc was made by some woman Journalist who doesn't know anything about games around the time of "Tropes vs Women in video games" days.
The only MMO I know of with an Orc sure AF doesn't make their females look like supermodels.
https://v1cdn.destructoid.com/270839_h2-620x.jpg

Chasing the internet head pats from people who only care about pushing their agendas is a sure fire way to disappoint many. Raging against and worrying about sexual dimorphism just seems like such a petty play when you realize we live in the real world and you can surmise that people play males and females for different reasons and look for different things in males and females.

If you want something because you want to play it, want it for that. Tieing it to anything just because it would subvert perceived norms is weak imo.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

"hope for the best, but prepare for the worst"

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I want to do this! But I just want them to be good...

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

--It's not a "Do you like it" post.
It's there because, from a purely analytical standpoint, these were the kinda things I saw that actually took into account all the ways in which Hrothgar looked like human males and flipped them to female standards. Even the Korean art some of you like is just stylized-cat-heads-with-long-hair, completely disregarding the human elements found in the Hrothgar face. Such logic to me is flawed as they're not Khajiit, their human face structures are what allow them to emote like others and wear what headgear they do have.
--That meme is feminist virtue signaling

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--Its called "An Opinion".....everyone is allowed to have one.
And many opinions in this thread have supported the idea that we would like to see Actual Feline people, both Male & Female. The Males have actual Feline Heads; with Snout and Muzzle. We want the same for Females. Preferably not a small Housecat, and definitely not a smooshed in Human Face.

--Regardless of where that Meme Comes from, its the perfect illustration of what isn't wanted for Female Hrothgar, and its a Tiered and Lazy trope seen in alot of things where a Beastman Race only has Beast-MEN, while the Females are just Humans with a couple features from animals like the Tail, ears and stuff, as seen by Neko Catgirls...or in this case Miqote. And the AuRa
We already have Miqote and AuRa if you want to play a Human-looking Character with a few animal/beast features. From a Design Standpoint, making Hrothgar Females look more human-like makes ZERO sense.

I can, Have, and will continue to argue that. Whatever the devs end up doing in the end, is purely their decision. But if they at all looking for Player feedback, my Voice is, they should look Animalistic, Just, Like the Males. Dont go halfway then puss out...if you were going to make a Beastrace, you should follow through and make a Beastrace. Both Males and Females should have Animal Faces & Heads

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

We already have Miqote and AuRa if you want to play a Human-looking Character with a few animal/beast features. From a Design Standpoint, making Hrothgar Females look more human-like makes ZERO sense.

I can, Have, and will continue to argue that. Whatever the devs end up doing in the end, is purely their decision. But if they at all looking for Player feedback, my Voice is, they should look Animalistic, Just, Like the Males. Dont go halfway then puss out...if you were going to make a Beastrace, you should follow through and make a Beastrace. Both Males and Females should have Animal Faces & Heads

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Agree! The relevation of the meme to the subject put beside. As much as we want to stop worrying about their appearance, the truth of the matter is that is a real concern that males would look like a big cool beast while the females are not given the same option. There are a lot of these instances, especially in the eastern style media.

What I am trying to say is that we don't want this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUEbI23XkAA1hM0.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENumGh1XYAE_aXN.jpg:large https://pics.me.me/monster-person-se...t-44943306.png

But do want this:

https://i.imgur.com/Bh233jQ.png https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/...w=1400&dpr=1.5

And the only way we can show it is by saying it. Cause I have looked and read through this and other threads, Twitter, Facebook, Art communities, etc. and the people who want them to be like this are in the majority, with the people that want them to be like every other female in this game (Excluding Fem Roe cause they seem to have a hate boner for them) for the sake of popularity, which is a non-issue, they will never be as popular as Miquo'te, Au'ra and Viera, cause they are a niche beast race! And completely missing the point, these people don't even entertain the idea of changing to them, or at most say that they will try them on an alt, but when confronted by people who want to be them presenting what they want to play as (since this is their last chance). They choose to drown them and call them the vocal minority without realising that they are the vocal minority! I want female Hrothgar to be beastly cause that is what makes sense, that would give visual coherence and the thought of them having flat faces puts me off, I don't want to play as a taller Miquo'te, nor do I want to play as a Furry roe, I want female Hrothgar to be a beast warrior woman!

People can like their cute petite waifus all they want, there's nothing wrong with that. But I'd really like if they stopped trying to frame people who want beast female characters as insincere and politically motivated.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

People can like their cute petite waifus all they want, there's nothing wrong with that. But I'd really like if they stopped trying to frame people who want beast female characters as insincere and politically motivated.

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Frankly until this thread, Ive never heard of wanting Real Female Beastmen to be a Political thing...pretty bizarre XD

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

What I am trying to say is that we don't want this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUEbI23XkAA1hM0.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENumGh1XYAE_aXN.jpg:large https://pics.me.me/monster-person-se...t-44943306.png

But do want this:

https://i.imgur.com/Bh233jQ.png https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/...w=1400&dpr=1.5

And the only way we can show it is by saying it!

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One-Hundred-and-Ten-Percent.
ALL of this, and then some.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

People can like their cute petite waifus all they want, there's nothing wrong with that. But I'd really like if they stopped trying to frame people who want beast female characters as insincere and politically motivated.

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If you're referring to me, I said that if you want to actually play something for w/e reason, then want it for that reason. Most people I find who push that meme clearly have no interest in playing w/e the end result of bucking against that would be. That's where the virtue signaling comes from, wanting it just to subvert expectations. I don't 2nd guess that someone part of the 10 people willing to play Femroe would WANT another "burly woman" option, but I do question the motives of people who don't already play any of the "strong type" women options in the game.

If you're not referring to me, then nvm.

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And the only way we can show it is by saying it. Cause I have looked and read through this and other threads, Twitter, Facebook, Art communities, etc. and the people who want them to be like this are in the majority, with the people that want them to be like every other female in this game (Excluding Fem Roe cause they seem to have a hate boner for them) for the sake of popularity, which is a non-issue, they will never be as popular as Miquo'te, Au'ra and Viera, cause they are a niche beast race! And completely missing the point, these people don't even entertain the idea of changing to them, or at most say that they will try them on an alt, but when confronted by people who want to be them presenting what they want to play as (since this is their last chance). They choose to drown them and call them the vocal minority without realising that they are the vocal minority! I want female Hrothgar to be beastly cause that is what makes sense, that would give visual coherence and the thought of them having flat faces puts me off, I don't want to play as a taller Miquo'te, nor do I want to play as a Furry roe, I want female Hrothgar to be a beast warrior woman!

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Popularity is mostly about execution of design, not concept. You could easily make Female draggos far less popular by making design choices that aren't appealing, even if you keep them small.
Not trying to make the most popular thing is one thing, using that as an excuse to make something utterly unpopular for a game is another.
As for online people discussing this topic, I don't think there's much to say. Many don't care about them because they want to play them, they simply didn't like the gender-limits on races. Most assume they will look like fur covered Femroe or like the outdated 20 year old models in the FF game that had female Ronso. To put it simply, most people assumed they would be something they have no interest in using, which is why the hype has been the complete opposite of Viera Males.
The devs, however, don't have the luxury of thinking that way. They don't have to try to make everything "the next Miqote!" popularity wise, but they only have a finite amount of time and resources that they can throw at things and have to try to make them appealing to some decent amount of people. IMO the "Beast" features for Hrothgar are the "Horns and Scales" of Draggos and the "Tall and beefy" of Roe. It's the actual thing that defines them. So no, I don't think they will be full human looking ... but just like how Femroe aren't nearly as big-n-beefy as Roebros, I don't think they're gonna be AS beast presenting as the males. And just like Draggos I don't think their stature is gonna be much of a factor in visually connecting them either.

IMO, they will be the "Most Animal looking women" in the game ... to what extent that makes them look like the males or HOW that's represented is a complete question mark to me beyond what they have shown. Hell, I could see them deciding to make them look like furrier Mithra/ Miqote head-wise so that they can use all headgear and hair ... only to turn around and give them digitigrade feet and limit their footwear to stuff that's got a high heel because someone on the team presented YP with a concept that impressed him, just like someone on the team got them more interested in the idea of Jpop idols for Draggo girls.

W/e they end up as, I'm sure it's gonna be more animal looking than any other female. That's all that really matters to me, personally. I don't need them to have the same body shape or the same levels of animal features or the same representations of those features. At the end of the day, it's their game. It's not their job to smash perceived gender norms in games, nor to satisfy some subjective levels of acceptable sexual dimorphism.

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But do want this:
https://i.imgur.com/Bh233jQ.png
I want female Hrothgar to be beastly cause that is what makes sense ...

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Your example shows a lizard woman with breasts. So to me, "what makes sense" isn't expressed by that example.

I like breasts as much as the next person, but felines of all sizes only have visible breasts when nursing. It would make sense, then, for fem Hrothgar PCs to not have much if any visible breast -- as a I posted previously, the slider could go from "none" to "A-cup." And I don't see much use in fem Hrothgar being just another hourglass body with fur and a different head.

It's not like women need large breasts to be beautiful, after all.
There's some very beautiful small-breasted ballet dancers out there, for example.
If fem Viera bodies are modeled on super-models, maybe fem Hrothgar could be modeled on ballerinas.