Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Returning player whose only lvl 60 is a WHM. I now feel obligated to level something else because my class wouldn't actually be able to heal/handle the Storm Blood dungeons. I quit the damn game due to RNG the first time due to HW never dropped me healer armor that WHM could use which left me in a big bind to progress content (and severely broke when it came to trying to buy crafted gear at the time), I got tons of Astro and Scholar gear, but never WHM. Now I have to deal with more RNG built into my class.


Like... are you going to have solo instances that WHM have to survive in SB while no cleric stance now, no shields, taking away damage...wtf are we supposed to do? Because it seems pretty cruel at this point for anyone with a lvl 60 WHM who might want to level. Not to mention even looking at raids is out of the question until I have another class. :< It's really disheartening to have a class I loved playing wrecked so hard.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

That would be my guess as well. Nice bonus if it happens, but nothing I'm going to try to force.

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i mean, that's sort of awful isn't it? So in return for losing 5 unique skills to becoming Role Actions that I have to put on my hotbar I get a new system that I'm supposed to ignore. Unless it goes off in which case, yippee a sort of Medica or a shield or some shorter cooldowns!!

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The way people are acting in this thread it's as if the sky is falling. Rather than just speculating about what people think will happen, at least try it first. If it doesn't work, the politely offer ways to suggest it. Crying loud wont do anything at this stage and as it's been stated multiple times, numbers are not final. Playstyle might even change completely in raids, we don't know anything yet. The only people who know were those at the media event and currently the dev and QA teams.

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Originally Posted by Alkimi

Here's how I'd fix it:

- Allow Stone IV to add Lillies.
- Asylum Assize Tetra etc. no longer remove lillies.
- Remove the reduced recast time thing. It's just RNG nonsense.
- Remove the whole confession mess. It's hilariously awful.
- Divine Benison scales with how many lillies you have. (15/20/25%)
- Replace Plenary Indulgence with an AoE version of SCH's Excogitation. (300 potency + 100 per lily)

It would still probably be weaker than the other healers in terms of raiding but at least it might actually be the best pure healer.

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I would add utility to the lillies, too, because if they aren't removed anymore, you can as well use them for that. Like, a party haste buff or something, depending on the lillies you have. But won't happen anyway, so why even bother.

Summary:
Yoshi-P "We listened to you guys complaining about not having enough to heal and boring DPS, so we made healing better!"
English Forum "nooo, we wanted more utility cause we have so much downtime"
Yoshi-P "We tied the lily system to Cure and Cure II, the core WHM mechanic"
English Forum "but we don't use those, we spam regen and medica II so we can DPS more"
Yoshi-P "So you can see we really listened to people who want to play WHM"
English Forum elitist raiders heads asplode.

I would not be surprised if this was exactly what the Japanese players were asking for, as their largest thread is the suggestion thread, where as our largest thread is the "tales from the duty finder (aka look how badly players play their roles)"

And unlike other previous mechanic changes, there are people on the forum who want to play pure healer that these changes encourage, and there are people who only play WHM to be a third DPS/or get the faster queue that these changes improve nothing except for the change to cleric stance no longer being a pain in the butt.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

The only people who know were those at the media event and currently the dev and QA teams.

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And they are giving their feedback.. and it is not pretty, so....

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Originally Posted by MaidenLynn

Returning player whose only lvl 60 is a WHM. I now feel obligated to level something else because my class wouldn't actually be able to heal/handle the Storm Blood dungeons. I quit the damn game due to RNG the first time due to HW never dropped me healer armor that WHM could use which left me in a big bind to progress content (and severely broke when it came to trying to buy crafted gear at the time), I got tons of Astro and Scholar gear, but never WHM. Now I have to deal with more RNG built into my class.


Like... are you going to have solo instances that WHM have to survive in SB while no cleric stance now, no shields, taking away damage...wtf are we supposed to do? Because it seems pretty cruel at this point for anyone with a lvl 60 WHM who might want to level. Not to mention even looking at raids is out of the question until I have another class. :< It's really disheartening to have a class I loved playing wrecked so hard.

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You're concerned about the wrong things. WHM will absolutely be able to heal dungeons just fine in SB. WHM healing isn't the problem. Its the fact that they offer no group utility when more healing just isn't needed. Cleric Stance is also not a concern because our dps spells will scale with MND in 4.0.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

The only people who know were those at the media event and currently the dev and QA teams.

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and everyone who was at the media event was very much unimpressed by what they did to WHM.


Sometimes, the sky indeed is falling. wouldnt be the first time.

I haven't seen any of the outrageous claims people are making here posted by those at the media event so.. guess they know more about it than random person on forums?

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Summary:
Yoshi-P "We listened to you guys complaining about not having enough to heal and boring DPS, so we made healing better!"
English Forum "nooo, we wanted more utility cause we have so much downtime"
Yoshi-P "We tied the lily system to Cure and Cure II, the core WHM mechanic"
English Forum "but we don't use those, we spam regen and medica II so we can DPS more"
Yoshi-P "So you can see we really listened to people who want to play WHM"
English Forum elitist raiders heads asplode.

I would not be surprised if this was exactly what the Japanese players were asking for, as their largest thread is the suggestion thread, where as our largest thread is the "tales from the duty finder (aka look how badly players play their roles)" And unlike other previous mechanic changes, there are people on the forum who want to play pure healer that these changes encourage, and there are people who only play WHM to be a third DPS/or get the faster queue that these changes improve nothing except for the change to cleric stance no longer being a pain in the butt.

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Oh look, the 'English players are inferior' argument.

You're not looking hard enough. A two minute stroll through the JP Healer section already yielded this thread.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...3%83%89/page33

Translate the comment that has 11 upvotes, if you can.

Oh, and be aware it was already way past night time in Japan when the media embargo was lifted. Give it a couple more hours and the JP Healer forums will likely be up in flames too.