Seriously 3-5 minute repop on NMs?

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Originally Posted by Scarface

Thanks for the support, casual gamer.

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Actual I'm all for hardcore gaming and more reward for high risk/time sink. I have a lot of hardcore members in my shell, all of them a great, what separates them and you is their sense of entitlement. They dont have one, they just want to have fun and want everyone else to have fun as well.

I cant say the same for your LS. And I'm pretty sure a majority of the FFXIV community agrees. So grats on segregating yourselves from the rest of the community, heavy is the crown I know I used to be the same type of person in AoC.

I like these short repop times. Gives me the chance to SP on Cactuar Jack.

In all seriousness, I see both sides of the argument. NM repops really should not be so short. However, it is mid-level gear and it is only useful to a point. If we ever get the equivalent of ground kings or wyrms, I would be seriously disappointed if they even spawned more than once per day. With lower level NMs, I am not too bothered about the repop times. I just hope that it won't become the norm, since that would defeat the purpose.

Don't worry, all you who want long and epically long respawn timers as well as random pop conditions will also be the first ones to come to the forums bitching about it.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Don't worry, all you who want long and epically long respawn timers as well as random pop conditions will also be the first ones to come to the forums bitching about it.

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Not me. The long repop timers were part of the appeal for me. Like I said, I don't think it's a big deal with these NMs.

i really think id rather have an NM that i get to fight and have a LOW drop rate than stand around with my hand in my pants for up to 4 hrs hoping to even SEE it.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

Actual I'm all for hardcore gaming and more reward for high risk/time sink. I have a lot of hardcore members in my shell, all of them a great, what separates them and you is their sense of entitlement. They dont have one, they just want to have fun and want everyone else to have fun as well.

I cant say the same for your LS. And I'm pretty sure a majority of the FFXIV community agrees. So grats on segregating yourselves from the rest of the community, heavy is the crown I know I used to be the same type of person in AoC.

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Are you following me?

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Originally Posted by Arcadian

i really think id rather have an NM that i get to fight and have a LOW drop rate than stand around with my hand in my pants for up to 4 hrs hoping to even SEE it.

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Surely the rarity is part of the reason why they are notorious? They will simply be notoriously abundant if the repop timer remains short when HNMs are introduced.

I'm all about competition. That's why claiming was part of the appeal for me. I liked outclaiming other people and having my/our perseverance pay off. Moreover, rare items should, you know, be rare. If everyone was running around with a Ridill because Fafnir popped once every hour, owning that item would feel much less special.

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Originally Posted by Scarface

Are you following me?

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I believe he responded to your post directed to him, so where would you get that he's "following you"?

And LOL at Krasus being a "casual gamer". Seriously. That made me giggle, a lot.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

I believe he responded to your post directed to him, so where would you get that he's "following you"?

And LOL at Krasus being a "casual gamer". Seriously. That made me giggle, a lot.

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He trolled, failed, I responded.. Then he quotes me from 15 pages ago and responds?

Also, according to his lodestone I'd say he's a casual baddie in my book. 6months later and not even 1 rank 50 job?

Seems quite casual to me. Guess I have a different view on that.

I guess that makes me a hardcore gamer who doest want to wait hours for respawns ^^. I am good for waiting hours according to game time, but never real time.

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Originally Posted by Scarface

He trolled, failed, I responded.. Then he quotes me from 15 pages ago and responds?

Also, according to his lodestone I'd say he's a casual baddie in my book. 6months later and not even 1 rank 50 job?

Seems quite casual to me. Guess I have a different view on that.

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He appreciates a challenge probably more than you do. Pretty much like the most part of the linkshell he is with. He didn't troll by the way. You guys are raging in a very amusing way, he just pointed it out.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

I cant say the same for your LS. And I'm pretty sure a majority of the FFXIV community agrees.

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Confirmed. We all get a kick out of their elitist posturing on Wutai, as much as you all get a kick out of it on the forums. Should change the name from Perfection to Preening Irrelevance.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

He appreciates a challenge probably more than you do. Pretty much like the most part of the linkshell he is with. He didn't troll by the way. You guys are raging in a very amusing way, he just pointed it out.

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Okay, I still have 6 months to give this game so will see where it goes....

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Confirmed. We all get a kick out of their elitist posturing on Wutai, as much as you all get a kick out of it on the forums. Should change the name from Perfection to Preening Irrelevance.

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Dude, all you do is follow Perfections every movement. Any time our name comes up you are the first one swinging on our nuts. Are you mad because we killed your KOOKOOROON "M"?

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Originally Posted by Scarface

Dude, all you do is follow Perfections every movement. Any time our name comes up you are the first one swinging on our nuts. Are you mad because we killed your KOOKOOROON "M"?

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We don't follow you. We don't even care about you. Because people actually like us, we have people everywhere on the server. Self-absorbed much? Gee, I would have NEVER guessed that.

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Originally Posted by Scarface

He trolled, failed, I responded.. Then he quotes me from 15 pages ago and responds?

Also, according to his lodestone I'd say he's a casual baddie in my book. 6months later and not even 1 rank 50 job?

Seems quite casual to me. Guess I have a different view on that.

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yeah I'm pretty casual when it comes to ranking up ( I never really seen a point to getting to 50 asap in a game severly lacking on endgame content) though I do join in on the so called hardcore aspects of the game if you really want to call it that. As for the quote from 15 pages ago there is a blue dot on the side of each thread it takes you to the last place you read which was my post in the thread 15 pages ago.

Either way Im not sure how "casual" has anything to do with your LSs self entitlement issues. What you think being hardcore in a game that has little to no content and take little to no skill to takle that content all the sudden makes you awesome? I have been there in the end there is more of a negative impact brought onto yourselves with this kind of attitude then a positive one. Just saying is all...oh and lol at using "casual gamer" as an insult, man you are brutal I guess I should have figured that out by your clever forum handle.

I like how the new NM's always drop SOMETHING rather than nothing at all (old nm's)

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

We don't follow you. We don't even care about you. Because people actually like us, we have people everywhere on the server. Self-absorbed much? Gee, I would have NEVER guessed that.

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No one said "we" or "them" I said YOU, Peregrine Falcon. Jump off son.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

yeah I'm pretty casual when it comes to ranking up ( I never really seen a point to getting to 50 asap in a game severly lacking on endgame content) though I do join in on the so called hardcore aspects of the game if you really want to call it that. As for the quote from 15 pages ago there is a blue dot on the side of each thread it takes you to the last place you read which was my post in the thread 15 pages ago.

Either way Im not sure how "casual" has anything to do with your LSs self entitlement issues. What you think being hardcore in a game that has little to no content and take little to no skill to takle that content all the sudden makes you awesome? I have been there in the end there is more of a negative impact brought onto yourselves with this kind of attitude then a positive one. Just saying is all...oh and lol at using "casual gamer" as an insult, man you are brutal I guess I should have figured that out by your clever forum handle.

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No one said it was an insult, stating facts 'tis all.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

We don't follow you. We don't even care about you. Because people actually like us, we have people everywhere on the server. Self-absorbed much? Gee, I would have NEVER guessed that.

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Yeah cause FoW likes you soo much they make an embarrassing video of you raging and wiping to Uraeus and then post it on Youtube >.> I see... lol

watch 2 month later. everyone is gonna have nm gears and noone isgonna want to kill nm anymore.

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Originally Posted by zoekwon

watch 2 month later. everyone is gonna have nm gears and noone isgonna want to kill nm anymore.

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except all that NM gear is rank 35ish /rollseyes

@ zoekwon

And how is this a bad thing? You fight these NMs to obtain the items they give, not to have hours of entertainment. Even difficult fights get boring eventually.(In FFXI) Al'taieu and Tu'Lia's NMs were a blast!... the first few months. And those were not even the worst ones, as you had to walk around the zones and they had a few, poppable NMs instead of just one [Khimaira, Fafnir, Cerberus, etc... (biggest waste of my time in my life by a long shot)]. Missions entertain, they flow and take you through different places; you interact with NPCs and fight new, mission specific NMs and so on. But NMs are just that, a monster. It will get tiring, so why stretch it when you can just go fight it for what you want, get it and then move on to better stuff?

Hmmm....Let's assume you don't miss any pops during the duration of the battles - always finish in less than 5 minutes and get a quick pop. Let's say group size is 6. (Most I have been in have been 6 or more). 10% drop rates. 2 groups fighting for claim...assume your group gets half the claims...

Lazy math gets me: 1.2 drops per hour => 0.6 drops per hour your team => 10 hours to outfit your team of 6 with the gear (and the other team of 6).

So I currently have a list of 11 items I would like to get. Let's say we camp NMs 3 hours a week - a casual amount to dedicate to this one facet of gameplay. It'll take my team of casuals only 10*11=110 hours of play time to collect the gear pieces wanted. That'll be sometime almost 37 weeks from now.

For mid-level gear that even casual players can outgrow in a week....

Now, I'm sure as more people start getting the gear, there will be far fewer people camping the gear. Which means eventually my lil merry band will be able to fight the NMs without a claim battle first. Even so, assuming we have no claim battles at all, we will get our gear in at best 55 hours of play time => only18 weeks from now.

Or you can take your r50 and in a solo/duo go do the same thing. You'll gear up faster, and acheive objectives faster. Let's say you get two r50s together and you go duoing the new NMs. You get 83% of the claims, cause you fast on the trigger => 10 drops per hour => 1 rare drop per hour => 2 hours per NM to outfit your duo. 20 NMs keeps you busy for 40 hours, so go gear up. That's 40 hours of content you didn't have before that gets you some fun/pretty new gear to level your second/third/fourth r50 with.

Seems like a win-win....


PS...someone could do real probability analysis on the drops and maybe we'd get some more interesting math...

So i have just killed Bomb Baron like 25 times with no drop...

Would suck to have to wait HOURS for it to respawn, all for a r30 sword.

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Originally Posted by Reika

So i have just killed Bomb Baron like 25 times with no drop...

Would suck to have to wait HOURS for it to respawn, all for a r30 sword.

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Hey! If we put it on a 24 pop timer, then no one would have the sword for an entire month!! And SE would have created a decades worth of content for people to do....

/sarcasm off

Please make each individual battle more challenging. Please make the NMs have cool moves/special effects that have be managed. Make the game more challenging by making the battles challenging...(although I haven't used my r27 CNJ in a baby NM battle yet, and I probably should be before commenting on difficulty)

I don't see the point of this argument. Battle content should be challenging because the fight itself is challenging. Having to understand AI scripts and patterns, manage MP, and use teamwork takes skill. Waiting for a 24 hour pop does not take skill. Botting for a claim or living close to the game servers does not take skill. The content/drops should be reached/obtained by those with skill, not by those who have the most time on their hands.

I'm not saying this game has much content that requires skill, but making mid-level NMs have ridiculous pop times is not a way to rectify that problem.

Also, the NMs most certainly don't have "100% drop rates" As a r30 THM, I can solo all of the r36 NMs (Which takes about 15 minutes a fight) and I'm about 1/40 with drops so far.

I know right! It's like people complain "Gimmie mah NM!" They get it, and they still aren't happy. Hey for everyone complaining about spawn times...do this...simply just log off for days on end, come back and see if it's up when you log in...if not...go do something else... blah!

I just have a feeling that no matter what is done to this game, people will always have something to complain about. They could grant every wish of every player, but there is always someone who is going to complain! I hope that when the devs read this stuff, they seriously take everything into consideration when adding content...including the NM's...cause seeing forum after forum of people complaining...makes my head hurt @_@

I dont see an 24hr-pop NM pose any greater challenge than a 3-5mins pop NM, assuming they have equal strength. 24hrs-pop NM is more time-WASTING though. Unless you think time-wasting=challenge.....

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Unless you think time-wasting=challenge.....

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaGm0OvxTss

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Originally Posted by Timotheus

I dont see an 24hr-pop NM pose any greater challenge than a 3-5mins pop NM, assuming they have equal strength. 24hrs-pop NM is more time-WASTING though. Unless you think time-wasting=challenge.....

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You're missing the point. People like longer pop times because it makes the encounter more special. If you get the claim, it is so much more rewarding. If you get the drop, it is so much more rewarding. See the point? The challenge of the fight is entirely separate.

Like I said earlier, would anyone give a damn about a Ridill if there was an opportunity to obtain it every 5 minutes? Much of the pleasure derived is from the knowledge that you have obtained a rare piece of gear or are participating in a fight against a rare mob. It cheapens the experience if you can fight a given NM whenever you wish.


Let me reiterate that the pop timer on these mobs doesn't bother me. I'm referring specifically to HNM and why I would object to having similar timers on ground king-like NMs.

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Originally Posted by Clydey

You're missing the point. People like longer pop times because it makes the encounter more special. If you get the claim, it is so much more rewarding. If you get the drop, it is so much more rewarding. See the point? The challenge of the fight is entirely separate.

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IMO, the sense of rewarding does not overcome the frustration from losing the claim caused by bug/latency/bot..all the factor that I cant control. Just my IMO, the timer dosnt not bother me either, in fact, I am only replying to OP at page one.

i think its a nice and fun way to make the new class specific gear available to everyone without just throwing it in our inventories. not too hard not to easy. i think its great!

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Originally Posted by Clydey

Like I said earlier, would anyone give a damn about a Ridill if there was an opportunity to obtain it every 5 minutes? Much of the pleasure derived is from the knowledge that you have obtained a rare piece of gear or are participating in a fight against a rare mob. It cheapens the experience if you can fight a given NM whenever you wish.

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That's why these types of fights should not be triggered by a claim battle - see other thread regarding dragon attacks a city and you get an opportunity to fight/be claimed by the HNM. That would make gear rare and special. Sitting around in the same place to claim a pop is just a tired gaming mechanic. I think we can be more inventive with how truly rare gear enters the game.

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

I believe there will always be a cookie cutter gear set. If all gear has different stats then people will find the gear that has the best stats and everyone will start to wear that. The only way to fix this is to give people multiple styles of gear with the same stats on them, which I don't see them doing. Seriously they need to limit what we can wear a tiny bit, I hate people thinking gear doesn't matter, I have 390 mag defense, and some other thm shows up in all crafting gear and leeches our party and dies from magic damage, I lol and boot the person. Stuff like that. I can see those of us who want to wear gear that's right for our classes but still have more options.

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The only way the limit the gear if most agree on this but sadly. There to many players who want to show of there gears and it seem to be the guys who are the mithra race to show off there kitty cat. I look at 3 fansite and that what race really want no limit on.

Sadly the only reason players want it to show off high level gear but i hope they understand from now on everything going to be class lock i justh ope they start putting rank lock also.

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Originally Posted by Timotheus

IMO, the sense of rewarding does not overcome the frustration from losing the claim caused by bug/latency/bot..all the factor that I cant control. Just my IMO, the timer dosnt not bother me either, in fact, I am only replying to OP at page one.

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We're all just giving our opinions here. However, some people think their view is the right view. It's just about personal preference, really.

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Originally Posted by Naylia

That's why these types of fights should not be triggered by a claim battle - see other thread regarding dragon attacks a city and you get an opportunity to fight/be claimed by the HNM. That would make gear rare and special. Sitting around in the same place to claim a pop is just a tired gaming mechanic. I think we can be more inventive with how truly rare gear enters the game.

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I'm certainly openminded on the issue and would welcome something innovative. My biggest concern is potentially losing the competition of HNM. That was a big draw for me and quite a lot of people I know. I'd like to see that retained, whatever system is implemented.

Honestly... do people want to spend their game days camping a r30 NM with their rank 50 for 24hrs per pop so they can take it away from a group of people at the right rank to make the encounter a little more fun for a low-drop rate item they probably have the means to obtain better than? Who do you think is going to wait 24hrs for an NM to spawn with you? youre all alone on that one.

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Originally Posted by Reika

Honestly... do people want to spend their game days camping a r30 NM with their rank 50 for 24hrs per pop so they can take it away from a group of people at the right rank to make the encounter a little more fun for a low-drop rate item they probably have the means to obtain better than? Who do you think is going to wait 24hrs for an NM to spawn with you? youre all alone on that one.

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I'd be surprised if anyone suggested a 24 hour timer on these NMs. We're not talking Serket here.

I have heard some suggestions for 24hr timers. its ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Reika

I have heard some suggestions for 24hr timers. its ridiculous.

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That would be overkill. If it was me, I would have gone for the leaping lizzy pop conditions (where applicable). That's just me, though. Then again, I'm not losing sleep over these NMs. I'm more interested in endgame content and how that is implemented.