Brian from Work 2 Game is leaving FFXIV

He will be back for 7.0 probably. He seems to have a thing for New World though. Yuck.

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

This is honestly really sad.

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Left the game, not the family. Just in case it wasn't clear, lol.

This whole thing just reminded me why I have left other MMOs. It's never really a single event or thing, your motivation just erodes with time and one day you just don't feel it anymore. Every couple of year I look into WoW or Swtor or GW2 only to leave a few days later. That's hardly "coming back".

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Originally Posted by Cach

Left the game, not the family. Just in case it wasn't clear, lol.

This whole thing just reminded me why I have left other MMOs. It's never really a single event or thing, your motivation just erodes with time and one day you just don't feel it anymore. Every couple of year I look into WoW or Swtor or GW2 only to leave a few days later. That's hardly "coming back".

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It really does happen this way and it isn't necessarily a reflection of the product. I had fun in EQ2 and still have friends there and housing projects I'd like to get back to, but I just can't get myself to stay there for long, even when I don't have much going on here.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Pretty sure he wasn't being serious.

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He was dead serious. His wife was so heavily harassed by people ingame that she quit playing and refused to ever play the game again.

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Originally Posted by TheOperator3712

He was dead serious. His wife was so heavily harassed by people ingame that she quit playing and refused to ever play the game again.

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And people wonder why I never link my main to these forums.

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Originally Posted by TheOperator3712

He was dead serious. His wife was so heavily harassed by people ingame that she quit playing and refused to ever play the game again.

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oh the game.
my God. I read that completely differently @_@

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Originally Posted by TheOperator3712

He was dead serious. His wife was so heavily harassed by people ingame that she quit playing and refused to ever play the game again.

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I heard him mention this a few times before I stopped watching W2G. Not that any sort of harassment is ever justified but I wonder what prompted the harassment and what was being done. It would be a shame if it was happening simply because she was the wife of a known content creator.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

And people wonder why I never link my main to these forums.

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what is there to hide from if you truly stand behind the opinions you express here?

This is my main (should be obvious from how almost every day my avatar is switching what it's wearing). I have no problems posting from it. I have yet to be harassed or had any unpleasant encounter as a result after 4 years. The most that has happened is the occasional player will say they recognize my name from the forums.

I figure if some psycho takes a forum argument into the game and starts harasssing me, it's an opportunity to rid the game of a psycho by reporting the encounter to the GMs. Most players aren't going to risk the ban. You're a lot more likely to get attacked on the subreddit, Twitter, etc. and since I don't post on those things, it won't be a problem for me.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Yeah, taking precautions against in-game harassment and/or the potential of being mass reported over posting some have deemed "hot takes" is definitely cowardice. Absolutely in no way is this just being smart.

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Especially when someone hiding behind an alt on the forums is part of a group that specializes in harassment.

Breaking news: dissenting opinions now classified as harassment, more at 11.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Breaking news: dissenting opinions now classified as harassment, more at 11.

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That group is doing a lot more than posting dissenting opinions.

Welp, I can tell you from experience there are people on these forums that will happily take their disputes in-game. I used to have my main linked on here. I also used to be very vocal about certain things I didn't like overmuch. This was not a good combination, and it certainly did result in me catching some hell in-game. As this occurred back when people were a lot less... we'll say, zealous, in how they approached subjects on these forums, I absolutely cannot blame someone for wanting to stay under the radar nowadays.

Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, this place has become a bit of a cesspit over the years. Certain people will take just about anything they don't agree with as some kind of personal insult to their honor. It's excessively difficult just to engage civil discourse without it being assailed by at least one person feeling the need to come in and start throwing out bait, insults, or what have you.

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Originally Posted by vanaii

That group is doing a lot more than posting dissenting opinions.

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Oh really? You have source on that or are you just talking bs?

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Originally Posted by Kozh

Oh really? You have source on that or are you just talking bs?

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I simply know I'm currently a target of identity theft, and hiding my identity would just make me easier to replace with a double.

So I post about caramel sauce on rice.

I don't particularly care if the wider forums believe me.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

Considering how many people on these forums foam at the mouth and go berserk if they see him post a thread, I can see why Aveyond wouldn't have his main displayed on the forums. Yes, you can just report anyone who contacts you in-game to the GMs, but why bother with that when you can just not give them your main's name and world? I have my main as my displayed character but I don't see what the big deal is if someone doesn't. This just feels like the same kind of nonsense you can find from people on Twitter who say you're a coward if your profile picture isn't a picture of yourself. It's just a reason to disagree with Aveyond on something. It's not dishonest to not share your main character with randoms on the internet. I personally don't want people that I don't know from the forums contacting me in-game, and that has nothing to do with what I say, even if said person contacting me is doing so to tell me that they agree with me. It's pretty ridiculous to expect everyone to be comfortable with having their main listed as their character on the forums, and if you genuinely think that it's dishonest to not do so, you're probably part of the reason people like Aveyond aren't comfortable doing so.



Using the word harassment incorrectly doesn't suddenly change things that aren't harassment into harassment.

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You really love to inflate this whole idea that anyone who disagrees with him would do such a thing.... as if he's saying anything that would legitimately cause someone to go that route. He is a joke, periodt. He brings this on himself. No one respects him. I guarantee no one is interested in seeking out his silly ass in game to harass him.

If he were to drop the high and mighty bullshit and just talk plainly about -his- own gripes and not repeat himself every patch and LL, people would just leave it be. Talk some sense into him, if you're so tight with him. See what happens around here.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

what is there to hide from if you truly stand behind the opinions you express here?

This is my main (should be obvious from how almost every day my avatar is switching what it's wearing). I have no problems posting from it. I have yet to be harassed or had any unpleasant encounter as a result after 4 years. The most that has happened is the occasional player will say they recognize my name from the forums.

I figure if some psycho takes a forum argument into the game and starts harasssing me, it's an opportunity to rid the game of a psycho by reporting the encounter to the GMs. Most players aren't going to risk the ban. You're a lot more likely to get attacked on the subreddit, Twitter, etc. and since I don't post on those things, it won't be a problem for me.

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idk maybe because you don't post "hot takes"? Why would you be harassed if you're part of the "majority"?

And since when posting with alts is sign of cowardice? It's a smart thing to be as incognito as possible when on online. Especially since SE is weird regarding their TOS. I don't know if the situation is still the same, but I recall someone telling their experience on being stalk. But since their stalker doesn't say anything or do anything drastic, the mods doesn't do anything since technically it isn't breaking TOS.

Also why would we need to wait until we're being harassed before we use alts? That defeats the purpose.

You might chalk this up as me defending aveyond, but nope it's just mind-boggling to me that people have put their life on the line (hyperbolic in case some people don't get it) just to "prove" something. Like, I don't give a crap if that's your main or alt account, and that applies to everybody else. I still gonna assume that you, the person behind jojoya, is being genuine with your opinions.

The fact this thread became about Aveyond's privacy and preferences after but a single post regarding them says several things, and none of those things are good - but several are hilarious.

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Originally Posted by vanaii

I simply know I'm currently a target of identity theft, and hiding my identity would just make me easier to replace with a double.

So I post about caramel sauce on rice.

I don't particularly care if the wider forums believe me.

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I.... What? You really lost me here. Are you okay? You're not sick?

What does this have anything to do with us?

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

You really love to inflate this whole idea that anyone who disagrees with him would do such a thing.... as if he's saying anything that would legitimately cause someone to go that route. He is a joke, periodt. He brings this on himself. No one respects him. I guarantee no one is interested in seeking out his silly ass in game to harass him.

If he were to drop the high and mighty bullshit and just talk plainly about -his- own gripes and not repeat himself every patch and LL, people would just leave it be. Talk some sense into him, if you're so tight with him. See what happens around here.

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Deveryn, you have no right to claim that someone else is a joke. Your takes are consistently worse than even Aveyond's worst threads (example: your absolutely ridiculous take on posters not showing their main). I don't agree with Aveyond on every opinion he has, but even in his worst posts there's some level of thought there. And no, I didn't say that anyone who disagrees with him would do that, only some people. If anyone was going to be harassed, it's Aveyond because he frequently posts things that aren't popular with the most vocal posters. And if I had to put money on who would do it, you're probably one of them considering that you care about him sharing his main character's name and world so much. That seems a little suspicious.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

The fact this thread became about Aveyond's privacy and preferences after but a single post regarding them says several things, and none of those things are good - but several are hilarious.

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It is very hilarious. They're obsessed with him to the point where it's almost sad at the same time. When Aveyond went MIA for a bit, there were entire threads created just to bait him into interacting.

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Originally Posted by Kozh

idk maybe because you don't post "hot takes"? Why would you be harassed if you're part of the "majority"?

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To these people, being harassed is an impossibility because their hottest takes are about as hot as a tub of ice cream that's been left in the freezer for a week.

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Originally Posted by Kozh

And since when posting with alts is sign of cowardice? It's a smart thing to be as incognito as possible when on online.

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Agreed. The only reason I use my main is because I just literally do not care enough about it to make an alt to have as my display character. I still would prefer not to be contacted, but I probably care a lot less than most would.

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Originally Posted by Kozh

Also why would we need to wait until we're being harassed before we use alts? That defeats the purpose.

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It does. And that's the point. They can't harass you if you use preventative measures.

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Originally Posted by Kozh

You might chalk this up as me defending aveyond,

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Saying that Aveyond has a point or that he gets a lot of undeserved hate is enough to land you in the Aveyond Defender Club, so welcome. We have cookies.

I don't blame anyone for choosing to keep the identity of their main character hidden from the more deranged elements of this game's community. At least one of the male elezen posting in this thread made a post the other day - now deleted - actively wishing for someone to dox and ban another poster and I can attest to being stalked many times by complete nutters who can't separate reality from fiction and harass anyone who is fond of this game's antagonists.

It's also pretty standard practice for a lot of people to not want to broadcast every last little detail of their online or real lives to complete strangers. It has nothing to do with 'cowardice' no matter how often some try to frame it as such.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's also pretty standard practice for a lot of people to not want to broadcast every last little detail of their online or real lives to complete strangers. It has nothing to do with 'cowardice' no matter how often some try to frame it as such.

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...was that even argued?
The conversation is about using your Main on a freaking Videogame forum, and it somehow became about more then that. My Goodness.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

It is very hilarious. They're obsessed with him to the point where it's almost sad at the same time. When Aveyond went MIA for a bit, there were entire threads created just to bait him into interacting.

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I dont know if the Hamburger thread had anything to really do with Aveyond...but then a few people brought him up out of nowhere.
Whatev, I just enjoyed a good conversation about food :2

This is what happens when the OF is taken too seriously I guess.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

This is what happens when the OF is taken too seriously I guess.

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I dont know if they even were in the 1st place.
But threads devolving like this isnt new. It happened before, and it will happen without Aveyond-Dreams.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

I dont know if they even were in the 1st place.
But threads devolving like this isnt new. It happened before, and it will happen without Aveyond-Dreams.

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My point exactly. If anyone took those points seriously, then things wouldn't end up as they do. There's no obsession by anyone other than that person (and whoever follow me around here trying to talk shit. get a real hobby).

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

It is very hilarious. They're obsessed with him to the point where it's almost sad at the same time. When Aveyond went MIA for a bit, there were entire threads created just to bait him into interacting.

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Hahaha, that's priceless. Provoking a reaction is attention-seeking behavior commonly displayed by children. I guess that's the level of pettiness that aveyond has to deal with.

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

Hahaha, that's priceless. Provoking a reaction is attention-seeking behavior commonly displayed by children. I guess that's the level of pettiness that aveyond has to deal with.

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Yep. That's why it makes complete sense to me why Aveyond wouldn't want these people having his main character's name and world. If they're this desperate for attention on the forums, imagine what they might do if they knew where to find him in-game.

Why does anyone care about this. I don't care about youtubers. They aren't that special.

BTW people do know that others can see who added thread tags, right? :D

Gary Manning has announced he is no longer going to be playing Final Fantasy XIV. He is choosing to spend more time with the love of his life, professional upholstery.

I just thought you guys might wanna know, as we all know how important Mr. Manning is to the community

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

BTW people do know that others can see who added thread tags, right? :D

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do you even need to check?

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Originally Posted by Kozh

idk maybe because you don't post "hot takes"? Why would you be harassed if you're part of the "majority"?

And since when posting with alts is sign of cowardice? It's a smart thing to be as incognito as possible when on online. Especially since SE is weird regarding their TOS. I don't know if the situation is still the same, but I recall someone telling their experience on being stalk. But since their stalker doesn't say anything or do anything drastic, the mods doesn't do anything since technically it isn't breaking TOS.

Also why would we need to wait until we're being harassed before we use alts? That defeats the purpose.

You might chalk this up as me defending aveyond, but nope it's just mind-boggling to me that people have put their life on the line (hyperbolic in case some people don't get it) just to "prove" something. Like, I don't give a crap if that's your main or alt account, and that applies to everybody else. I still gonna assume that you, the person behind jojoya, is being genuine with your opinions.

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No, I don't see it as a defense of Aveyond. I also didn't accuse him of cowardice (I assume that was directed toward Deveryn ).

I question why anyone should be so fearful of such a remote possibility happening. In-game harassment is almost always connected to in-game conflict. It's rare for forum conflict to flare up in game.

Living in fear of "what ifs" is a good way to destroy your quality of life as you begin to think of more "what ifs" and change more of your life to avoid them.

But that's enough for being off topic. The topic was Brian leaving the game. Again, I wasn't a fan of the W2G style but I still had respect the work they did to get information out to the community. I'm glad that he wants to focus more on his family. Parents only have one chance to watch their children grow up and a game shouldn't get in the way of that.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

BTW people do know that others can see who added thread tags, right? :D

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Why care about tags that can be added by anyone for any reason?

He published another video.
"New World Top 5 reasons why it beats out Final Fantasy XIV"

https://youtu.be/7CskEwjlp5c

If that's his way of "quitting" i'm guessing he's gonna talk about XIV for a while.
I'm not against the idea of making comparisons between two games you invested a lot of time in, but i didn't expect that to be in the title of his video.

You people are worse than schoolgirls talking about Idols in the east.
Stop bumping trash topics

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Why care about tags that can be added by anyone for any reason?

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Because then you know who to report if you want to report them.

What in Gods name..he is rabbitting on about 1.0???..well well, how did I know....he prefers New World because he wants "wurld pee vee pee".

There is no open world pvp in FF 14 because...drumroll; NO ONE WANTS IT.

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Originally Posted by RukoBoshi

He published another video.
"New World Top 5 reasons why it beats out Final Fantasy XIV"

https://youtu.be/7CskEwjlp5c

If that's his way of "quitting" i'm guessing he's gonna talk about XIV for a while.
I'm not against the idea of making comparisons between two games you invested a lot of time in, but i didn't expect that to be in the title of his video.

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TL/DR (not an exhaustive list)
- he can't get over his hang ups of how old school MMO's used to work (and yet he decided to have 5 kids and wants a career outside of playing MMO's too? he'll never have any time to play lol)
- praises FFXI and 1.0 style (ewwww)
- doesn't like balanced classes as much
- doesn't like how "theme park ride" XIV is (i.e. too much instanced content and not enough open world stuff - i mean this topic has been debated to death and it's something that XIV just isn't going to change really unless the backend of the game can accommodate way more than 300 people in an regular open world instance and honestly I don't think this is something the XIV devs want to tackle at all)
- wants more open world conversation (gross)
- wants people to fail more at content, but yet still get stuff for trying? why should you get anything just for trying if you don't complete it?
- not sure what he means by making marketboard items matter? i mean sure some stuff used to mean something back in the day in ARR days, but then as the game went on people just got more and more money and thus didn't really need to worry about this anymore. eventually New World will get to this point too.

The one thing I saw from Asmongold's and Zepla's react video to GingerPrime's video is that we all want to know what his "joke" was that upset the "hypersensitive" people. I think based on what the basis of his standup comedy is is whether or not people will cancel him or not esp if his jokes are based on bad takes, etc.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

It is very hilarious. They're obsessed with him to the point where it's almost sad at the same time. When Aveyond went MIA for a bit, there were entire threads created just to bait him into interacting.

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It's hilarious, yeah. Not only do they
failed in baiting him, certain individual(s) then follow him around like a puppy.

Like, man, keep your dignity at least XD

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Why does anyone care about this. I don't care about youtubers. They aren't that special.

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you say this but commented shows something. You say this and youtubers ,streamers that play final fantasy give the game free advertisement and they are the ones that get to have interviews with yoshi p. The same youtubers that makes guides to help players. yeah they not special

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I don't blame anyone for choosing to keep the identity of their main character hidden from the more deranged elements of this game's community. At least one of the male elezen posting in this thread made a post the other day - now deleted - actively wishing for someone to dox and ban another poster and I can attest to being stalked many times by complete nutters who can't separate reality from fiction and harass anyone who is fond of this game's antagonists.

It's also pretty standard practice for a lot of people to not want to broadcast every last little detail of their online or real lives to complete strangers. It has nothing to do with 'cowardice' no matter how often some try to frame it as such.

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im wondering who was the person.

Literally who?

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Originally Posted by Videra

Literally who?

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someone who has been playing the game for 10 more years than you

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

someone who has been playing the game for 10 more years than you

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I've been playing since 1.0 but lost my original account (and melted my PC, but that besides), nice try, though.