Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

They told us what to expect with the Viera and Hrothgar, that they would have limited hair options, they told us about the headgear issue, they told us that this "may be the last time they could develop new races, so they wanted to both give something thats been requested for a long time, and something they wanted to do that was also requested" not a 100% verbatim retelling, but its what was said.
People every chance they got would try to ask about Male Viera and sometimes Female Hrothgar, and they have addressed this saying that they barley had enough time to do what they did in the 1st place, and that there are resource issues and technical issues atm. If they could implement them in the future, they would.
I call that pretty transparant. And YoshiP keeps answering these questions even though he already answered them.

Also, we still have another fanfest or 2 left before the release of the game, they haven't revealed to us everything to expect out the gate, and they wont till the planned time.
So this lack of transparency Im seeing sounds more like you want answers beforehand, before the planned reveals during the time that they actually talk about these things. Its not like he can just break the news now.

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Can you show me where they told us these two races wouldn't be looked at until possibly next expansion? Because that feels very revisionist.

I'm not terribly interested in what they've said about male Viera, female Hrothgar, or headgear. This thread is about the lack of customization both races have, and have received, throughout this expansion. It's been the opposite of transparent.

I don't want any answers "beforehand", you've been around long enough in these threads to know this particular ball has been kicked from 5.1 to 5.2 to 5.3 to 5.4 and now 5.5 and we still don't have or know anything.

The fact that we're even looking at Fan Fest for answers now is more of a "Well surely they'll have something done by now? Right guys? *nervous laughter* than based on anything they'd said or even hinted at.

When they don't say anything next month what's the spiel gonna be then? Just wait for 6.1? There's always 6.2?

EDIT: I sound a bit aggressive, I'm not mad at you specifically or trying to start an argument. But I strongly disagree that they've been as transparent about this as you claim.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

They told us what to expect with the Viera and Hrothgar, that they would have limited hair options, they told us about the headgear issue, they told us that this "may be the last time they could develop new races, so they wanted to both give something thats been requested for a long time, and something they wanted to do that was also requested" not a 100% verbatim retelling, but its what was said.
People every chance they got would try to ask about Male Viera and sometimes Female Hrothgar, and they have addressed this saying that they barley had enough time to do what they did in the 1st place, and that there are resource issues and technical issues atm. If they could implement them in the future, they would.
I call that pretty transparant. And YoshiP keeps answering these questions even though he already answered them.

Also, we still have another fanfest or 2 left before the release of the game, they haven't revealed to us everything to expect out the gate, and they wont till the planned time.
So this lack of transparency Im seeing sounds more like you want answers beforehand, before the planned reveals during the time that they actually talk about these things. Its not like he can just break the news now.

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I feel like the missing genders would weight as much as brand new races at this rate... Given that (if I'm not mistaken) Viera and Hroth got announced in the second big event, I assume this next Fanfest would be the one to look up to that, having in mind that Squeenix loves to follow patterns.

If not that, at the minimum I'd expect new customization options for them and for the OG races.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

Just the whole thing that the viera in the sagepic doesnt have a new hairstyle should really tell you all you need to know.

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I was being overly silly - sorry it didn't translate well!

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Plus...transparency....feels like an odd question to ask when they have been transparent with us.
I think you need to reword this somehow....like, maybe something more relating to..."can you the Devs develop a Roadmap System where you share your Plans on what you have in store in upcoming patches? Something like we have this idea/feature planned, and we hope to get it done by X patch"
That would make more sense then asking about Transparency. To me at least

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I am very sorry- But I am going to very strongly disagree with you- if they have been so transparent about what they are doing then this thread really wouldn't exist. Nor would the many others that have been created asking the same thing. Asking for communication and better clarity of "when to expect what was promised" and not just "its coming, please look forward to it."

As mentioned before I work in a development field. I understand time constrains, I understand voice of customer, I understand wanting to fulfil request even when they are large undertakings. But honestly what we have been getting as a response is something we like to call the appease and pray they go away statement. Its vague enough to not give detail, but strong enough to make them believe that something is being done...

Not to be the Debbie Downer, but as much as I am an advocate for adding the missing genders it is kind of grating to see that tacked on to conversations about the botched implementation of the genders we do have.

Should we be in this situation to begin with? No. From the moment they added male and female miqote, roes, and highlanders respectively that should have been the standard. Is it getting kind of annoying to hear "Yes! And the missing genders!" when discussing the lack of hair for Viera and the necessity to PAY for fantasia to do anything significant with Hrothgar.

You are essentially equating adding a whole new race, that we were told were not coming, with SE seeming to deliberately ignore the fact they shipped these "highly customizable" new races with absolutely none of that. There are appropriate threads for m Viera and f Hrothgar.


Back on track: I agree that the slide on the fanfest website doesn't really look like much. It appears to be images taken from previous fanfests, and the Viera/Hrothgar reveal slides look nice from a display perspective.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Can you show me where they told us these two races wouldn't be looked at until possibly next expansion? Because that feels very revisionist.

I'm not terribly interested in what they've said about male Viera, female Hrothgar, or headgear. This thread is about the lack of customization both races have, and have received, throughout this expansion. It's been the opposite of transparent.

I don't want any answers "beforehand", you've been around long enough in these threads to know this particular ball has been kicked from 5.1 to 5.2 to 5.3 to 5.4 and now 5.5 and we still don't have or know anything.

The fact that we're even looking at Fan Fest for answers now is more of a "Well surely they'll have something done by now? Right guys? *nervous laughter* than based on anything they'd said or even hinted at.

When they don't say anything next month what's the spiel gonna be then? Just wait for 6.1? There's always 6.2?

EDIT: I sound a bit aggressive, I'm not mad at you specifically or trying to start an argument. But I strongly disagree that they've been as transparent about this as you claim.

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I didn't make a claim that "they told us these two races wouldn't be looked at until possibly next expansion" so thats not a source I can provide.

Ill squash this here and say that Im probably talking about something completely different then the actual conversation topic. I haven't actually been following this thread, I just glance at it every so often and have just made the assumption that its the same Male Viera, Female Hrothgar conversations that cycle in the other Male Viera Thread. Just made the blind assumption thats what was being talked about, so Ill say My bad.

Now that my head is on straight and Im actually paying attention now...yes, any conversation about the customization options and the hair especially has been zero.
The most info we got way back when was that Viera and Hrothgar are getting their own unique hairstyles....but no release date and never mentioned again. Yes.
But well, since they never talked about it (Ill chop it up to they didnt have answers and were probly focused on other things at the time) what better time to reveal then at a fanfest? Im not nervous about it, I frankly believe we will hear some news on it. They had 2 years, you know that they are aware of the issue.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Have they though? The last person that claimed they address this all the time couldn't find a source newer than a year old, and in that video they asked us to "please just wait a little bit longer". Now I don't know what they consider "a little bit longer", but a year is definitely being generous and still nothing.

People are now expecting/hoping we'll finally see something next expansion but the fact that this wasn't communicated in any way beforehand, and we really don't even know for sure if we actually will, isn't what I'd call transparent.

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To anybody who reads back on this, I am now aware Im a derp and have been talking about something not related to the topic.
I apologize for this.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

I didn't make a claim that "they told us these two races wouldn't be looked at until possibly next expansion" so thats not a source I can provide.

Ill squash this here and say that Im probably talking about something completely different then the actual conversation topic. I haven't actually been following this thread, I just glance at it every so often and have just made the assumption that its the same Male Viera, Female Hrothgar conversations that cycle in the other Male Viera Thread. Just made the blind assumption thats what was being talked about, so Ill say My bad.

Now that my head is on straight and Im actually paying attention now...yes, any conversation about the customization options and the hair especially has been zero.
The most info we got way back when was that Viera and Hrothgar are getting their own unique hairstyles....but no release date and never mentioned again. Yes.
But well, since they never talked about it (Ill chop it up to they didnt have answers and were probly focused on other things at the time) what better time to reveal then at a fanfest? Im not nervous about it, I frankly believe we will hear some news on it. They had 2 years, you know that they are aware of the issue.

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All good :)

Like I said though, they did actually bring up hairstyles briefly in the art stream a year ago and asked us to wait "a little bit longer". And then nothing happened.

And sure, Fan Fest would be a great place to say something. But my point was that "Please wait a little bit longer" did not set the expectation of "But actually we meant next year in May during a Fan Fest we'll bring it up for the expansion coming sometime in fall lol".

I sure hope they say something but I've been hoping since 5.1 so... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

I think some of these will be answered soon honestly. If no "Missing Genders" customization options is definitely something that should have been worked on.

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Man, I really hope so. After nothing for two years I really hope they made decent progress on these races and plan to share it at Fanfest. I hope they are in tune enough with the community to know that the frustration both from players of these races and the people sick of hearing about it is getting kind of intense. A real update on this would go a long way.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

Back on track: I agree that the slide on the fanfest website doesn't really look like much. It appears to be images taken from previous fanfests, and the Viera/Hrothgar reveal slides look nice from a display perspective.

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What do you mean?!?!
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Originally Posted by LisSquid

Not to be the Debbie Downer, but as much as I am an advocate for adding the missing genders it is kind of grating to see that tacked on to conversations about the botched implementation of the genders we do have.

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This must be how other people feel when we come storming into another thread with pitchforks and torches whenever there's a new hairstyle release. ;)

Yeah, I'm not going to set any expectations going in to May. I hope for some great stuff, like the new hairs for viera, or new heads for Hrothgar, but I don't want to be disappointed at the end of the day. Really we should be expecting the update, but what can we do. :(

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Yeah, I'm not going to set any expectations going in to May. I hope for some great stuff, like the new hairs for viera, or new heads for Hrothgar, but I don't want to be disappointed at the end of the day. Really we should be expecting the update, but what can we do. :(

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If anything is going to happen, it will be with Endwalker's release. So...it will either be more options or bust. Time will tell, but I am keeping my expectations extremely low as well. Imagine loving Hrothgar and GNB this expansion. Neither one has gotten many (or any in Hrothgar's case) vanity options this expansion. :p It took four major patches for GNB to get a second crafted glamour weapon. Four!

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Yeah, I'm not going to set any expectations going in to May. I hope for some great stuff, like the new hairs for viera, or new heads for Hrothgar, but I don't want to be disappointed at the end of the day. Really we should be expecting the update, but what can we do. :(

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I agree. A apart of me is super excited for May 15, but the louder side of me has expectations that are absolute 0. Dont wanna fall into despair from disappointment

What a sad state of affairs it is that we got to the point that even seeing reused promotional images of hrothgar and viera for an upcoming event is enough for people to get a spark of hope.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Yeah, I'm not going to set any expectations going in to May. I hope for some great stuff, like the new hairs for viera, or new heads for Hrothgar, but I don't want to be disappointed at the end of the day. Really we should be expecting the update, but what can we do. :(

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Well my expectations are that if they're going to say something at any point it's going to be in May. And if they say nothing...well at least I got one fantasia left if I eventually get annoyed enough at this hairstyle that I'll switch back to miqo. I just want a short hairstyle that isn't messy, not too much to ask for :(

Funny enough I was just trying to stay optimistic, not start a conspiracy theory lol

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Funny enough I was just trying to stay optimistic, not start a conspiracy theory lol

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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ab/c3...badcc423ab.gif

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Originally Posted by Abaigeal

I was being overly silly - sorry it didn't translate well!

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Oh it did, I was being a bit sarcastic....I should start using emotes. :P

I don't even need that many new hairstyles to be happy. Even on my Au Ra I usually switch around 10 of them anyway. On viera I am lacking a shorter bob, a curly hairstyle, a braid or two and a nice clean, high ponytail without weird fringes. Id like the option to remove the flowers. The 2b mod looks great on viera if you remove the hairband.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I don't even need that many new hairstyles to be happy. Even on my Au Ra I usually switch around 10 of them anyway. On viera I am lacking a shorter bob, a curly hairstyle, a braid or two and a nice clean, high ponytail without weird fringes. Id like the option to remove the flowers. The 2b mod looks great on viera if you remove the hairband.

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I have a shopping list from back when Viera were announced. Outside of the long ponytail (sort of) I was kind of left wanting over some of my favourite vintage dos

https://i.imgur.com/oReudjX.png

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

I have a shopping list from back when Viera were announced. Outside of the long ponytail (sort of) I was kind of left wanting over some of my favourite vintage dos

https://i.imgur.com/oReudjX.png

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I really hope these get implemented. The short bob is adorable. And the soft updo is lovely.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I really hope these get implemented. The short bob is adorable. And the soft updo is lovely.

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It's the shame that the ponytail we got is so stringy and ratty looking, the length is great otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

It's the shame that the ponytail we got is so stringy and ratty looking, the length is great otherwise.

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I feel the hairs are a bit too big overall. A bit 80s fluff. My fav is the sleek one (dunno if it is 14? ).

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Originally Posted by Yencat

It's the shame that the ponytail we got is so stringy and ratty looking, the length is great otherwise.

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The one thing that I don't like about the pony tail one is the really long front pieces. If they stopped at the short front tufts i'd actually use it but they added those longer front fluffy tendrils that drape off the shoulders. So from the front it looks like their hair is down anyways. - Or like they forgot to pull some of it back!

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I feel the hairs are a bit too big overall. A bit 80s fluff. My fav is the sleek one (dunno if it is 14? ).

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They are definitely super 80s lol.

I actually really like the long ponytail, despite my preference for short hair. If the bangs on that were less 80s I’d probably use it more. I’ve switched to it a couple times but always end up back to the short style with the braid or my current one.

Before I was bun, I basically just used the Yshtola hair, because it was exactly what I was looking for in a hairstyle. I was heartbroken when I found out they weren’t porting it to viera.

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Originally Posted by Abaigeal

The one thing that I don't like about the pony tail one is the really long front pieces. If they stopped at the short front tufts i'd actually use it but they added those longer front fluffy tendrils that drape off the shoulders. So from the front it looks like their hair is down anyways. - Or like they forgot to pull some of it back!

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The side pieces are actually my favourite part! I wish the ponytail itself was textured more like those so it wouldn't look so... Crispy?

I can definitely see what you're saying though, it kind of looks like 3 hairstyles ideas in 1.

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

They are definitely super 80s lol.

I actually really like the long ponytail, despite my preference for short hair. If the bangs on that were less 80s I’d probably use it more. I’ve switched to it a couple times but always end up back to the short style with the braid or my current one.

Before I was bun, I basically just used the Yshtola hair, because it was exactly what I was looking for in a hairstyle. I was heartbroken when I found out they weren’t porting it to viera.

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Im gonna go au ra for a bit and use the yshtola hair, it is supercute and something Id love for viera. the really short pixiecut we have is a bit underwhelming. Too spiky.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

A bit 80s fluff.

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I still have 00's rotbrain and really like the fluffy hair as it reminds me of my scene days (WHICH WE WILL NEVER MENTION AGAIN)

I just want to wear a hat and have a snazzy new haircut. ;^;

Bumping this thread o 3o

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Originally Posted by Yencat

It's the shame that the ponytail we got is so stringy and ratty looking, the length is great otherwise.

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I like it, but the sides are just.. static. Like way too much hairspray or something. It ends up clipping pretty bad.

Bumping! I really wish we could get a side ponytail or a bob. Maybe braids with straight across bangs, idk.

I find the ponytail I use to be perfect for my character, but I wish it didn't include that dam flower band keeping it together.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

I find the ponytail I use to be perfect for my character, but I wish it didn't include that dam flower band keeping it together.

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I find it so weird that they thought "This is about the hair, and the unique hair only." They must have planned around these styles being versatile with many different looks. What looks do little plastic, yellow flowers fit, SE??

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

I find it so weird that they thought "This is about the hair, and the unique hair only." They must have planned around these styles being versatile with many different looks. What looks do little plastic, yellow flowers fit, SE??

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Flowers are there for the viera forest/nature theme, I assume.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Flowers are there for the viera forest/nature theme, I assume.

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Which is odd to me since the Veena appear to be the FFXIV version of Feol Viera, who were Viera that lived in a volcano. The jungle thing was actually started with Fran’s tribe in XII, with Tactics Advance original Viera not having that theme at all.

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Originally Posted by MorionQ

Which is odd to me since the Veena appear to be the FFXIV version of Feol Viera, who were Viera that lived in a volcano. The jungle thing was actually started with Fran’s tribe in XII, with Tactics Advance original Viera not having that theme at all.

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Yeah, but the Veena also live in the forest so in that sense it fits I suppose.

Maybe our new hairstyles will be the same ones we already have but without flowers. :p

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

I have a shopping list from back when Viera were announced. Outside of the long ponytail (sort of) I was kind of left wanting over some of my favourite vintage dos

https://i.imgur.com/oReudjX.png

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Oooooooh my goodness the short ponytail is so cute, all of them are cute!! If they want to stick with Viera lore so bad, these would be perfect to draw from. I just love the metal accessories on these.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Maybe our new hairstyles will be the same ones we already have but without flowers. :p

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Oh!!! So we would get 8 hair styles, with and without bangs with and without flow--heeeyyyy wait....a minute ;)


Just give us modular hair- not even full styles...just components and you pick and chose those instead of a full hair styles. that way its still unique to Viera and Hrothgar and it falls under customization. And add more options- and more categories. Bangs, sides, face frame, back... sort of like the old candybar doll makers from way back in the day....


Correction...candybar dollmakers still exist! interesting!

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Maybe our new hairstyles will be the same ones we already have but without flowers. :p

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Please do not put this cursed idea into the world....:p

I’m not a big fan of the flowers on the hair, myself. I would rather have metal accessories than dainty little flowers.

Going to be pretty disappointing if there is nothing good to reveal in May. Been way too long with nothing to look forward too.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Going to be pretty disappointing if there is nothing good to reveal in May. Been way too long with nothing to look forward too.

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Cannot be disappointed if you do not expect anything.