Can we have a server merger after fee take place ?

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Hi, this is Producer/Director Yoshida here.

I understand your concern on the number of concurrent users.

Actually the world merge is currently in plan.

We will first analyze the number of players in the game after the billing service begins.
Based on that analysis, we will be running a simulation where the maximum concurrent access during the peak hours will become somewhere around 1500 to 2000 per World.
* The above number is provisional and not a finalized number.

And with the method on how the world merge will be done, it will not be done in a simple method where World A and World B will merge into a single new World.
In order for EU players to gather on the same server in a certain mass, we are planning to go with the method where the players from a World with a less population can designate the World they wish to transfer to.

With the details such as when and how it will be done, they will be announced once they are confirmed.
(I'm assuming that the next update should become available in mid-January.)

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To Yoshida-san, FF XIV Team and Community Reps:

Thanks for the information. I'm glad to hear that you're allowing players to choose which server to transfer to, instead of force merging multiple servers into 1 with no choice.

One thing that worries me in your comment, though, was "In order for EU players to gather on the same server in a certain mass,..."

Please do *not* label or designate the remaining active Servers as ONLY 1 Language or not. That leads to SEGREGATION.

I understand you want to help EU players gather together, but if you end up with a Lodestone Post on the Final Fantasy Main Page that labels, for example:

• Besaid Server - ENGLISH
• Rabanastre Server - JAPANESE
• Mysidia Server - EUROPEAN
• Lindblum Server - JAPANESE
• etc.

You're going to end up indirectly (or directly) influencing and driving players into segregated Servers, where everyone on the server is mostly Japanese, or English-speaking, or European, etc.

One of the most unique and *enjoyable* facets about Square's MMOs (Final Fantasy XI and now XIV) is that you took the time to allow GLOBAL SERVERS. And gave us a solid Auto-Translator Tool to help us communicate (somewhat) with players of different languages.

I love the diversity, flexibility and colorfulness of Final Fantasy's MMO population! :) I love that I have plenty of Japanese, European and English-speaking friends from around the world and we can play at various times of the day.

I love that even at "odd hours" for me, there are players on and that there's activity going on.

If you end up labeling / categorizing the remaining active Servers in the manner above, players will be influenced to just go to servers that do speak "English" or "Japanese" or are "European" mainly.

If you have to keep Labels (to "help EU players gather" as you stated), one solution to encourage your current diversity is to then add a "GLOBAL" Label, so continuing with the example above:

• Bahamut Server - GLOBAL
• Odin Server - GLOBAL
  
• Besaid Server - ENGLISH
• Rabanastre Server - JAPANESE
• Mysidia Server - EUROPEAN
• Lindblum Server - JAPANESE
• etc.

So at least there's a chance that we'll have global like-minded players gathering.

Thanks for considering this.

Great news.

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Originally Posted by Rubicon

If I am given a choice of either Lindblum or Besaid, I choose to quit the game. I hope Rabanastre or Trabia are choices.

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What's wrong with Lindblum?

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

What's wrong with Lindblum?

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Yeah what is wrong with Lindlum? >_>;

the only worry i have about the picking your server after fees take place is the people that aren't going to pay yet or are on long breaks. what will happen to those people? i know alot of my friends are taking breaks until 2.0 as soon as payment begins because their character info will be saved. would there be a way they could let everyone know which servers they would be merging to before the charges begin so everyone could decide where they will be coming back to at a later point?

if they are not going to be paying would they just be shoved into whatever server se sees fit once they return or would they have a choice when they returned on which server they go to?

that was why i was more of a server merge than the transfers. i know alot of people that have been on breaks doing tor, but plan to come back in a few months after jobs come in along next patch and then garuda fight the following patch. i'm just curious if those friends would be able to follow us once they return with the optional transfers or if they would just get shoved wherever.

^^^ I'm curious about that too. I have a few friends that are waiting for jobs/2.0. Will everyone currently playing get a server-change "Flag" that will persist or is this an opt-in thing that will only be temporarily available?

I would imagine that the choice of server would still be there for those who return to the game after the transfers.

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Originally Posted by Griss

I would imagine that the choice of server would still be there for those who return to the game after the transfers.

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This. This has happened in 11 as well and if SE removed the server you was on when you go to sign in you'd get an option where to go. Unless of course its one that was assigned moved like Fairy -> Sylph. Than you'd ofc would end up in Sylph. You wouldn't just end up in no server and be lost.

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Originally Posted by Bowen

Yeah what is wrong with Lindlum? >_>;

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/v/'s chosen server.

I had a thought (dangerous, I know)...How about SE gives us veterans (after fees start) 1 free extra character.

We then have the option of rolling the free character on a new server and keeping our veteran on existing server...

or

We can have our veteran character transferred (or duped) on to a new server and roll a new character on the old server (or keep the original if they can be duped).

Just a thought anyway plus I'm always scammin' for somethin' for free. ;>P

Yes please to officially labeling servers by preferred language, and a global one for those who don't care about it.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

Oh no xxxSephirothxxxx said that???

What has this game come to. I guess this is it people, when heavyweight insiders like "FortheHorde" and xxxsephirothxxx
declare your game dead you gotta ask yourself who am I to argue with them?

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You named yourself after a Hindu diety that rides a peacock.

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Originally Posted by Rubicon

If I am given a choice of either Lindblum or Besaid, I choose to quit the game. I hope Rabanastre or Trabia are choices.

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Hey, what's wrong with Besaid? :(

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

Hey, what's wrong with Besaid? :(

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the roleplayers of course

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

the roleplayers of course

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Wow, thanks for insulting us RPers. >.<

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Originally Posted by Kiara

If you have to keep Labels (to "help EU players gather" as you stated), one solution to encourage your current diversity is to then add a "GLOBAL" Label, so continuing with the example above:

• Bahamut Server - GLOBAL
• Odin Server - GLOBAL
  
• Besaid Server - ENGLISH
• Rabanastre Server - JAPANESE
• Mysidia Server - EUROPEAN
• Lindblum Server - JAPANESE
• etc.

So at least there's a chance that we'll have global like-minded players gathering.

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I'd be fine with this. One reason I chose Besaid in the first place is that a large English speaking group was going there. Of course, I'm speaking of said NA roleplayers.

I'd be perfectly happy if Besaid was designed an NA server. I'd be even happier if it was officially designated an RP server.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

Wow, thanks for insulting us RPers. >.<

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but its so true

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

but its so true

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/cry <Thevedis Foxbat>

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

/cry <Thevedis Foxbat>

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alot of rpists are cool

but some of you are so damn annoying


learn to use linkshell chat and not say! lol

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

alot of rpists are cool

but some of you are so damn annoying


learn to use linkshell chat and not say! lol

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We're just trying to make life interesting for you. ;)

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

We're just trying to make life interesting for you. ;)

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and me you, you know this if youhave ever run into me trolling RPists in game

I am happy to hear this. In light of this announcement, it would be nice if certain data could be made available for each destination world. Things like number of players from each geographical location in the real world. This would allow people from the EU/UK to make a better informed decision. Of course I want to play where there will be more people who play at the same time of day that I do. There are probably other bits of information that would be beneficial as well, but I can't think of any at the moment. If anyone else has any suggestions, please post them.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

and me you, you know this if youhave ever run into me trolling RPists in game

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I haven't, actually. 9/10 times when I see you, you're crafting, LOL.

But, on a serious note, most RPers realize that non-RPers can be annoyed by large amounts of RP spam, so we try to keep from being obnoxious. I know that a lot of people in this community don't like the idea of officially designated servers, but if there was a RP server, that would allow those who really are adverse to it from choosing a server where a RP community will be playing.

I was really really REALLY happy to hear this:

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GamerEscape: You told Famitsu that you are thinking about making new servers focused on different languages. Are there any plans to designate roleplay servers? I know the players on Besaid would love to be officially recognized as an RP server.

Yoshida: We do recognize a need to set up a designated roleplaying world. We will look into this in a proactive manner!

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Originally Posted by Kiara

To Yoshida-san, FF XIV Team and Community Reps:

Thanks for the information. I'm glad to hear that you're allowing players to choose which server to transfer to, instead of force merging multiple servers into 1 with no choice.

One thing that worries me in your comment, though, was "In order for EU players to gather on the same server in a certain mass,..."

Please do *not* label or designate the remaining active Servers as ONLY 1 Language or not. That leads to SEGREGATION.

I understand you want to help EU players gather together, but if you end up with a Lodestone Post on the Final Fantasy Main Page that labels, for example:

Stuff etc etc etc

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I don't see this as an issue, they have been hinting for a while they want to make language specific servers.

I am all for it, It would be awesome if EU had their own server, at least I could do dungeon runs at a decent time and not at 4 in the morning.

The whole region-specific thing is a can of worms that needs to be discussed after this merge. When I move servers, I'd like to move to a global server for sure, and right now every server is considered a global server. This was a giant freakin debate a month or two ago when the intention for regional servers was announced. I think we need to take a wait and see approach for what Yoshida's planning on doing with those of us who are in these orphaned servers.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

I haven't, actually. 9/10 times when I see you, you're crafting, LOL.

But, on a serious note, most RPers realize that non-RPers can be annoyed by large amounts of RP spam, so we try to keep from being obnoxious. I know that a lot of people in this community don't like the idea of officially designated servers, but if there was a RP server, that would allow those who really are adverse to it from choosing a server where a RP community will be playing.

I was really really REALLY happy to hear this:

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if Besaid become official official RP server PLEASE allow people to move to another server, I want to meet real people I can chat about real life with and not some "maiden from the north that has a mission to save the world...."

He is not talking about forcing anyone to go anywhere. I understand that they will present us with information so that we might make an informed decision as to which server we would like to transfer to.

I am an American who is now living in the U.K. I don't support them forcing us to play on EU only servers or forcing anyone else to play on a server that they don't want to be on either. What I do support is providing us with information so that I can find other players from the E.U. so that I might have other people to play with when I'm on.

I'm disabled and medically retired. My activities are limited and therefore I spend much of my time playing. This being the case, I find it really bothersome when there are no players on when I'm playing. Due to the fact that there are fewer E.U. players than from Japan or North America, I find this to be the case quite frequently. So, if I could choose a server that had a large community of E.U. players, I would be very grateful. I don't want it to be all E.U. either, so don't get me wrong.

I guess you have to live/play when there are no other players to play with in order to appreciate the intentions of SE.

Anyway, Thanks SE.

I'm all for server mergers, would like to add that I'm from the UK and would prefer servers to stay somewhat mixed, its nice having people from all over the world, makes for interesting conversation and those odd hours when your on a day off or just up late its nice to have a busy server still.

Seriously? This is the worst idea I've ever heard, and I'm really disappointed that SE is actually listening to all these whiners.

Please SE, please don't make the servers a segregated thing. I do not want to play with only NA players.

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

Seriously? This is the worst idea I've ever heard, and I'm really disappointed that SE is actually listening to all these whiners.

Please SE, please don't make the servers a segregated thing. I do not want to play with only NA players.

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I will quit if they make Selbina a regional server Japanese or NA.

New servers should be made for racists where they can choose to go and be with their own kind. Those of us on existing servers should not be forced into a situation where we are suddenly 2nd class citizens (NA on Japanese servers, Japanese on NA servers, etc.).

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Originally Posted by Murugan

I will quit if they make Selbina a regional server Japanese or NA.

New servers should be made for racists where they can choose to go and be with their own kind. Those of us on existing servers should not be forced into a situation where we are suddenly 2nd class citizens (NA on Japanese servers, Japanese on NA servers, etc.).

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No one is being a racist. All we want is a majority of players that speaks the same languages.

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Originally Posted by Ilean

No one is being a racist. All we want is a majority of players that speaks the same languages.

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Good for you at least not admitting openly to being a racist. However if they are going to do that they need to create one or two servers for you people. Not change existing servers.

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Originally Posted by Ilean

No one is being a racist. All we want is a majority of players that speaks the same languages.

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^ Exactly.

Because not only do you prefer to play with people speaking your language, you can't even be on a server with them.

You must be on a server with your own kind, and if not your kind then they at least have to pass for one right? Maybe a Japanese person could play on an English server if you couldn't tell they were Japanese from their English.

No, there is not a tinge of racism in that at all I'm sure. You are wonderful people.

Well I know that if you are on Karnak I imagine you will be moving. Right now at NA Prime time we have around 125-150 on and half of them are afk players. I made a poll on our LS webpage so we can have a vote once the servers are listed. Also for the friends you are worried about that aren't playing, why don't you just make a post on the Lodestone LS page stating where the LS moved to? Very Excited

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Originally Posted by Murugan

Because not only do you prefer to play with people speaking your language, you can't even be on a server with them.

You must be on a server with your own kind, and if not your kind then they at least have to pass for one right? Maybe a Japanese person could play on an English server if you couldn't tell they were Japanese from their English.

No, there is not a tinge of racism in that at all I'm sure. You are wonderful people.

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No, it comes down to what Tibian said in a post in the server label thread about fostering community. It's a bit long with a lot of quotes, so I won't re-quote it, but you can find it here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post493681

My experience in FFXI always comes to mind. I played on a server with a very large JP community, which, in time, overshadowed the English speaking community. Eventually, many western players went on to games like WoW, and it became harder and harder to replace the lost numbers in my linkshell. The game grew to be very lonely on my server, despite the fact it was active. I felt like a foreigner in a foreign land. I could never send a tell to someone without using the auto-translator, because 8/10 times, it would be returned with, {I'm sorry.} {I don't speak any English.} And when I would get blind tells in Japanese characters, I would return it with, {I'm sorry.} {I don't speak any Japanese.} Very very rarely, I would have someone elaborate with {Party}? But more often than not, the conversation would end right there, with no elaboration.

After four years, and I finally got lured away to WoW, my second MMO. I was on a US server. And I could finally just... type! And talk. Without sifting through the auto-translator that had been sucking out my soul for four years. I could finally just have a normal conversation without it frustrating or disheartening me.

I don't have a problem with foreign players. I just don't want to find myself, once again, isolated in a situation where I can't just have a simple conversation with someone. It's not that I don't want people of other languages on my server. I just want to be where a majority of English speaking people are. And if server labels help that, then I'm all for it.

No one is saying we shouldn't have the option of having global servers, or playing on whatever server we like. You live in NA but you want to be on a JP server? More power to you! But I want to be able to assume that people can and will be able to understand me without jumping through hoops when I talk to them.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

No, it comes down to what Tibian said in a post in the server label thread about fostering community. It's a bit long with a lot of quotes, so I won't re-quote it, but you can find it here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post493681

My experience in FFXI always comes to mind. I played on a server with a very large JP community, which, in time, overshadowed the English speaking community. Eventually, many western players went on to games like WoW, and it became harder and harder to replace the lost numbers in my linkshell. The game grew to be very lonely on my server, despite the fact it was active. I felt like a foreigner in a foreign land. I could never send a tell to someone without using the auto-translator, because 8/10 times, it would be returned with, {I'm sorry.} {I don't speak any English.} And when I would get blind tells in Japanese characters, I would return it with, {I'm sorry.} {I don't speak any Japanese.} Very very rarely, I would have someone elaborate with {Party}? But more often than not, the conversation would end right there, with no elaboration.

After four years, and I finally got lured away to WoW, my second MMO. I was on a US server. And I could finally just... type! And talk. Without sifting through the auto-translator that had been sucking out my soul for four years. I could finally just have a normal conversation without it frustrating or disheartening me.

I don't have a problem with foreign players. I just don't want to find myself, once again, isolated in a situation where I can't just have a simple conversation with someone. It's not that I don't want people of other languages on my server. I just want to be where a majority of English speaking people are. And if server labels help that, than I'm all for it.

No one is saying we shouldn't have the option of having global servers, or playing on whatever server we like. You live in NA but you want to be on a JP server? More power to you! But I want to be able to assume that people can and will be able to understand me without jumping through hoops when I talk to them.

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I don't want to be on a JP server, I want to be continue playing on Selbina which is a global server like all XI servers and XIV servers are. I don't want Selbina to be labeled Japanese or NA so people have a reason to desert it and create a situation like you described being an insignificant neglected minority. I also don't want an NA server, because I do not wish to play with only NA people. So I want Selbina to stay just the way it is.

You are the one that wants an exclusive server just for your kind. You are asking for something new and different from the standard, different from the way quite frankly the internet works (which is globalized). You are the ones then that should have to move to a new server for that. Most of us do just fine on global servers, and we shouldn't be forced into regional servers just because you had a bad experience with XI.

You don't even appear to play XIV, in fact neither of you two complaining about global servers and claiming to speak for "the majority" appear to.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

I don't want to be on a JP server, I want to be continue playing on Selbina which is a global server like all XI servers and XIV servers were. I don't want Selbina to be labeled Japanese or NA so people have a reason to desert it and create a situation like you described being an insignificant neglected minority. I also don't want an NA server, because I do not wish to play with only NA people. So I want Selbina to stay just the way it is.

You are the one that wants an exclusive server just for your kind. You are asking for something new and different from the standard, different from the way quite frankly the internet works (which is globalized). You are the ones then that should have to move to a new server for that. Most of us do just fine on global servers, and we shouldn't be forced into regional servers just because you had a bad experience with XI.

You don't even appear to play XIV, in fact neither of you two complaining about global servers and claiming to speak for "the majority" appear to.

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I have a revolutionary idea. Players who want a global server can play on them. Players who want language specific servers can play on them. Nah, let's call people racists instead.

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Originally Posted by Blarp

I have a revolutionary idea. Players who want a global server can play on them. Players who want language specific servers can play on them. Nah, let's call people racists instead.

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I'll call a dog a dog. I'm fine with those people getting their own servers so I don't have to play with them, but I don't want my server made regional. It is 2011 the world shouldn't bend for people who can't manage to co-exist with others from different locations.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

I'll call a dog a dog. I'm fine with those people getting their own servers so I don't have to play with them, but I don't want my server made regional. It is 2011 the world shouldn't bend for people who can't manage to co-exist with others from different locations.

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Racist implies an irrational hatred based on race alone. This is not an example of that, but you're welcome to believe whatever you want. I can easily co-exist with other races; I work with them frequently. They even speak different languages! Know why I can co-exist with them? Because it's real life and it's different than a video game.

If Selbina gets changed to a language specific server then you have two options:

1. Quit
2. Move to a global server

It's 2011, the world shouldn't have to cater to people who are inflexible.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

I don't want to be on a JP server, I want to be continue playing on Selbina which is a global server like all XI servers and XIV servers are. I don't want Selbina to be labeled Japanese or NA so people have a reason to desert it and create a situation like you described being an insignificant neglected minority. I also don't want an NA server, because I do not wish to play with only NA people. So I want Selbina to stay just the way it is.

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Like it or not, servers are getting restructured. It sucks that it's happening after the fact, but there's no turning back time. Mergers are definitely coming, and regional servers are a possibility. From what I understand, it's being considered because many JP players want it (not that it matters who's asking for it, but to get angry at those on the NA forums who agree it's a good idea is futile). And Yoshi-P said here that they would like to designate at least one RP server.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

You are the one that wants an exclusive server just for your kind.

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"Your kind"? Listen to yourself. If anyone sounds racist here...

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Originally Posted by Murugan

You are asking for something new and different from the standard, different from the way quite frankly the internet works (which is globalized).

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Actually, regional servers are the MMO standard. Final Fantasy is the only game I've played that doesn't do this.