RIP Minion Collectors :(

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Originally Posted by Altera

I personally have never seen the appeal of PVP in a MMORPG, but that is just me. I see PVP as a place where it brings out the worst in peoples behaviour and such.
Like when I actually were pretty good in PVP in WOW, until I started getting people I killed make Alt characters on my server to send me death threats and harassed me to no end.
It kinda turned me off of PVP in MMOs at least for good. If I want PVP action, I play COD, Battlefield, Overwatch, as those games are not something I sink so many hours of my life into compared to XIV/MMOs. ;)

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And? Oh someone doesn't like how something they don't want to do is getting attention from the devs. Noted.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

And? Oh someone doesn't like how something they don't want to do is getting attention from the devs. Noted.

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That's... Not even close to relevant to what the quoted post was trying to say lol. Although you did sort of prove their concerns valid. You also might want to take a few deep breaths, seeing as your posts have been nothing but increasingly antagonistic for no legitimate reason. Please, if you wish to have your concerns noted, it would be in your best interest (and the community's) to provide a suggestion or expand your opinion beyond "If someone likes this change I need to discredit everything they say, no matter how irrelevant!"

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Originally Posted by KasumiCascade

That's... Not even close to relevant to what the quoted post was trying to say lol. Although you did sort of prove their concerns valid. You also might want to take a few deep breaths, seeing as your posts have been nothing but increasingly antagonistic for no legitimate reason. Please, if you wish to have your concerns noted, it would be in your best interest (and the community's) to provide a suggestion or expand your opinion beyond "If someone likes this change I need to discredit everything they say, no matter how irrelevant!"

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It pretty much is. How else could you read it? This entire thread ranges from people being upset a minion was skill gated to how PVP is something they hate and that there shouldn't be rewards for PVP anyway.

And I like how you claim my response is similar to the 'death threats' he received. But I guess you had to stretch the context that far to criticize me so I am not surprised.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

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"I don't have the best experience with PVP in MMOs" =/= "I don't like PVP so no one should pay any attention to it" Also I was referring to the "bringing out people's worst behaviors and such" concerns, not the death threats.

Your main complaint about the minion itself appears to be the "effort" factor. The devs only announced that they will be providing an alternate method of obtaining it. This also =/= "No effort required, in fact, you don't even have to play PVP!" Considering the original plan was a level of exclusivity FFXIV hasn't really ever seen before when it comes to collectables, I don't think they'll make it as easy as you assume.

I finally have a reason to STOP BUYING, all your plush, soundtrack, art-books just to get these minions as I am an avid minion collector. I will not buy any future merchandise anymore. Thank you SE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH ;)

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Originally Posted by HaelseMikiro

at least they haven't ruined my orchestrion collection yet

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They already did with the new soundtrack. Check it out.

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Originally Posted by Rieze_Xeero

I finally have a reason to STOP BUYING, all your plush, soundtrack, art-books just to get these minions as I am an avid minion collector. I will not buy any future merchandise anymore. Thank you SE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH ;)

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Did you happen to see the dev response before posting? ;P

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Originally Posted by Zhexos

Greetings,

Thank you for your feedback in regard to the Feast Season Three ranking rewards.

We have received a lot of feedback globally in regard to the minion given out as a reward for successfully ranking in the top 10 of Season Three, and after discussing the details of the rewards with the dev. team we have come to a conclusion to make the following changes.

• Add another method to obtain this minion
  By completing a new achievement objective which is planned to be introduced in Patch 3.5, players will be able to obtain the same minion.
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• Add another reward
  The minion will remain as a reward for players who successfully rank in the top 10; however, in addition to this, we will be introducing a new earring item with a unique design.

*The rewards page on the Lodestone has be updated to reflect this change.

We understand that there are players who have participated in Season Three of the Feast for these rewards, therefore, we did not want to take away and change the rewards. Instead we have made it so these players are able to obtain this minion earlier while giving other players a chance at obtaining the same minion by completing a new achievement objective that will be introduced after the conclusion of Season Three.

However, we did not want to discourage players already participating in the Feast for losing out on a reward, so we have decided to include a new earring along with the current reward.

Based on the feedback we received, we’ll make sure to be more careful when deciding which items to use for rewards, especially for items which would be difficult to obtain moving forward.

We thank you for your understanding, and appreciate all your feedback.

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Originally Posted by Rieze_Xeero

I finally have a reason to STOP BUYING, all your plush, soundtrack, art-books just to get these minions as I am an avid minion collector. I will not buy any future merchandise anymore. Thank you SE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH ;)

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And pvp players are supposed to be the ones with the garbage attitudes, apparently.

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Originally Posted by Zhexos

we have come to a conclusion to make the following changes.

• Add another method to obtain this minion
  By completing a new achievement objective which is planned to be introduced in Patch 3.5, players will be able to obtain the same minion.

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As a minion collector, I really appreciate this, because some of us may not be as skilled in PVP as others. But I can totally see people complaining about "de-valuing" the minion by making it available elsewhere. I realize that you have probably already finalized this decision, but perhaps in addition to the earring, would it be possible to make The Feast minion a different color than the one being released elsewhere? (Kind of like the Grand Company Mamets) That way the minion obtained during The Feast won't be "de-valued" but people who aren't as good at PVP can still obtain a minion with the same shape and design, just a different color.

You guys are awesome. Thank you for all of your hard work.

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Originally Posted by JaydeDancer

would it be possible to make The Feast minion a different color than the one being released elsewhere?

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It would be different, and therefore the collectors can't catch em all.

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Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi

Did you happen to see the dev response before posting? ;P

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Yep I saw it before posting but I finally have the reason to stop buying things. It made me realize it's not worth it

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Originally Posted by Praesul

And pvp players are supposed to be the ones with the garbage attitudes, apparently.

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Lol, you don't realize how it feels for us collectors, but like what I said earlier it made me realize it's not worth it to collect anymore. This was an eye opener for me and I guess for some as well. I'm glad SE did made revisions but it will never change my mind, I'll use my money on other things rather than digital items. So again TY SE for the eye opener.

Everyone so butthurt about the fact that SE said they will give another avenue to obtaining the minion claiming it cheapens the selective status of it.

I'm honestly waiting for it to be something like "Participate in 5000 Feast matches" or maybe even "Participate in 2000 Ranked Feast matches. (For reference Aviars, who is the biggest person against this change at all in this thread, for the first 2 seasons had less than 1k ranked matches played. Not sure for season 3 cause not ranked :P )

The average for the 3 seasons is ~600 season 1, ~400 season 2, and currently ~200 season 3. That's 1200 matches in ranked in roughly 7-8 months so far. And that's with the people who WANT to PvP in feast.

I would be ok with that level of devotion being the tipping point.

True I'm sure it will be like that, 5000 wins in ranked PVP. :D

The 5k general and 2k ranked only numbers I made up are just from doing feast period. The 5k is prolly wishful thinking and would not be limited to ranked feast but all feast modes in general but I do want an actual true GRIND.There is a significant time sink involved doing matches stated. Like i said the average top 100 numbers so far are ~1200 matches in 7-8 months. But since these are the 'cream of the crop' avid pvp players, you can assume the normal player will only put forward ~700-800 in that same timespan IF they kept the motivation going(minus the freaks, but you know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ) . This means if the person is really dedicated to PvP for the reward they are investing ~1 1/2 years to the cause (again minus the freaks, but you know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ). Overall, a net gain for PvP'ers cause you get a suc-ERR-dedicated player for that length.

I'm hesitant to wanna claim wins as the achievement status cause I'm more an advocate of getting people into pvp and do it for a long time but always feeling at least somewhat productive. But, playing devils advocate, if it were by wins you'd prolly have to do ~750 wins.

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Originally Posted by Rieze_Xeero

Lol, you don't realize how it feels for us collectors, but like what I said earlier it made me realize it's not worth it to collect anymore. This was an eye opener for me and I guess for some as well. I'm glad SE did made revisions but it will never change my mind, I'll use my money on other things rather than digital items. So again TY SE for the eye opener.

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Well this current change feels pretty bad for me as an earring collector.. I have all the earrings in the game up to this point but now that it's literally impossible to get them all (I won't even bother trying to get to top in feast, literally impossible) I won't be ever spending a dime on an SE product. Thanks Obama.

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Originally Posted by Waryax

Well this current change feels pretty bad for me as an earring collector.. I have all the earrings in the game up to this point but now that it's literally impossible to get them all (I won't even bother trying to get to top in feast, literally impossible) I won't be ever spending a dime on an SE product. Thanks Obama.

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While I understand that this is most likely meant to be satirical, it bears mentioning that Minions, when they were first added to the game, had NO PURPOSE other than to be collectable. That's what they were for! And people DID collect them, and some were religious enough about it that they managed to collect ALL of them. And unlike mounts, if you were in ARR from the start it was possible to collect them all. By making some minions exclusive and limited Feast rewards, SE broke that. While, theoretically, SOME of the hardcore collectors could still do well enough in Feast to keep their collection complete, the majority of them could not.

Earrings were not originally intended to be collectable; they were equipment that you wore to boost your stats, and until the Glamour system was added to the game, even earrings that were clearly meant to be shown off (like the Bomb earring) had stats on them. While it's theoretically possible that a player might collect earrings, certainly the pool of individuals who have a complete collection would be MUCH smaller than those who collect minions - particularly since, as with mounts, if you weren't around in 1.0 (and collecting earrings even back then), your collection would not be complete. There's simply no room to compare them to minions.

It was a mistake, SE acknowledged that it was a mistake, and they are taking steps to correct it. That's pretty much all that needs to be said at this point.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

It was a mistake, SE acknowledged that it was a mistake, and they are taking steps to correct it. That's pretty much all that needs to be said at this point.

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As long as the achievement will be sufficiently hard/time-consuming to get I'm mostly fine.

I just hope this won't be the fate for every awesome limited reward that someone wants and focuses their energy on wailing about it rather than actually getting it.

A serious warning for Square Enix:
You have so many to fix and balance, you can not keep them all in sight...
So you say we will get them "later" but then we have new things that we will get later too and so on...
In add you have multiple things at same time fixing, so we have there getting something later and then there something later and so on...

YOU WILL LOSE OVERVIEW IF THAT CONTINUOUS !!

The maid gear for some EU countries and now the feast season 3... what else you will "delay" for "some"?
It will help you a lot if you THINK through it before RELEASING and not rush out a first aid...

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Originally Posted by Zhexos

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An incredibly bad decision to give up on what you decided, right away as some greedy "must have it all or we die" collector guys comes up to you crying, you immediately back up on your decision. That is not the SE I want to see. I am very disappointed, lets see what happens to POTD prizes (if there ever will be any, prolly never will because of this scandal) when PvPers come crying after this marvelous example. GG. Please have the balls to stand behind your decisions, this is spineless. Not kool.

Imo you should encourage people to do different things for different prizes, instead this happens. Some people already quit feast just because of this decision.
I do not care about the prizes at all myself, I could care less, same goes for the rankings, but seeing PvP suffer from something like this is not nice. Quite infact the very opposite.

You need to step it up bigtime regarding PvP in general. I am waiting for something great.
I love you SE you are the best, but you need to do something to fix the negative impact you caused on PvP. It feels like you just cast Doom on us.

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

A serious warning for Square Enix:
You have so many to fix and balance, you can not keep them all in sight...
So you say we will get them "later" but then we have new things that we will get later too and so on...
In add you have multiple things at same time fixing, so we have there getting something later and then there something later and so on...

YOU WILL LOSE OVERVIEW IF THAT CONTINUOUS !!

The maid gear for some EU countries and now the feast season 3... what else you will "delay" for "some"?
It will help you a lot if you THINK through it before RELEASING and not rush out a first aid...

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they think through it


what they didnt anticipate was the whine, cant blaim SE for playerbase kneejerking

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Originally Posted by Kaitoo

they think through it
what they didnt anticipate was the whine, cant blaim SE for playerbase kneejerking

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They did not, in a professional QA-Team such things will be foreseen and discussed before release and not after.
Thats what you have a QA-Team to begin with...

The whine (as you call it) was predictable and you must not be an oracle to tell it would happen!

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

They did not, in a professional QA-Team such things will be foreseen and discussed before release and not after.
Thats what you have a QA-Team to begin with...

The whine (as you call it) was predictable and you must not be an oracle to tell it would happen!

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First of all maid oufit and season 3 didnt got "delayed" in any way + they have different teams for different things. You may want to say it was "predictable" easy said after it lol. The truth is season 1+2 top 10 rewards were not a problem and were kept exclusive like the mount in season3. I bet if season 5 and 6 reward stuff like weapon no one would care either. Tbh I dont even mind if the minion achievement very grindy cause I didnt cared in the first place but lets hope they keep top 100 and future top10 rewards exclusive.

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Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

First of all maid oufit and season 3 didnt got "delayed" in any way + they have different teams for different things. You may want to say it was "predictable" easy said after it lol. The truth is season 1+2 top 10 rewards were not a problem and were kept exclusive like the mount in season3. I bet if season 5 and 6 reward stuff like weapon no one would care either. Tbh I dont even mind if the minion achievement very grindy cause I didnt cared in the first place but lets hope they keep top 100 and future top10 rewards exclusive.

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You are pointing to wrong things, i never talked about "first" release!
I was refering to US, EU and german release of getting the maid outfit.
Season 3 is from the informations we got that we will get it somehow later without being one of the top10
There were some other things delayed in ffxiv history, i dont track them all...
Dont forget those things they still have not added but promised it will come...

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

You are pointing to wrong things, i never talked about "first" release!
I was refering to US, EU and german release of getting the maid outfit.
Season 3 is from the informations we got that we will get it somehow later without being one of the top10
There were some other things delayed in ffxiv history, i dont track them all...
Dont forget those things they still have not added but promised it will come...

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So for the maid outfit its just normal to get promotions somehow later than other countries. And for season 3 only the minion aka the top 10 reward will be available later this and next season. They plan to make the top 10 rewards for futures seasons like previous so no one will complain. "somehow" later you realise that the season 3 end at 3.55 therefore ofc the achievement doesnt come now. Lol

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Maybe you should first read the discussion about the feast season 3 rewards in JP, FR, GER and US forum...
I get the feeling you either ignore or just didnt read what players written there.

And somehow i lost you, what exactly are you targeting against?
First you tried to correct me with "delaying" and failed, now you try what?!
I dont get it, because what devs said is clear, there is no misunderstanding, so what do you try to accomplish with that pinpointing on a fixed date?
Just a sidenote: Are you sure you know geographical locations of FR, UK and GER ?

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You don't care, yet you posted a 202 word reply about stuff you don't care about... ????

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

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What is your point, exactly? Are you saying SE can't manage and fix many errors/situations simultaneously? They're a business that, technically, has been running for 74 years (Enix being founded 41 years ago, Square 33 years ago, combined for 74 years of experience), I'm sure they know what they're doing and what they intend to do for the years to come.

And, personally, I wouldn't take advice from an individual who wished to return to 1.0 times purely because other people had an interest in paying SE for glamour.

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Just a sidenote: Are you sure you know geographical locations of FR, UK and GER ?

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I read the discussion but I dont see the point of your post. Furthermore you think they cant handle things at the same time? xD lool Also yea I know those location and live in germany but why the question? Doesnt make my post wrong

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Dude. Obviously I need to explain in other words. I care about pvp, mainly the feast, and am not happy with the negative impact all of this had on our small pvp/feast community. People in the top 100 quit the feast just because of this whole minion thing, and what Zhexos announced. Thats called having a negative impact, especially on our small community of players. That is all I care about cause I want the feast to stay alive. I pay to play the feast.
People didn't like our rewards getting removed like this, and they quit just to show that this is not ok. You cant just promise us special top 10 rewards and then suddenly remove them when some collectors come crying that they can't have them all now. Imo feast staying alive is much more important than the rewards themselves (or any freaking minion in general), this is why I had to reply. I personally do not care about the rewards at all, I care about the feast.
Get it?

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A minion being removed is not gonna kill Feast. SE is looking out for themselves, especially if this was a big an outcry as it did get a response from SE, and I'm pretty sure the people who would want the minion are as sizeable as the PvP community. But in my opinion, there is no point to be being all doom-and-gloom about Feast because of a reward change. You still have the mount/titles which will attract players. Rewards are still there to provide incentive for others to continue playing the Feast. Sounds like a lot of drama over a non-issue.

Well as minion collector I've gotta admit that I like the "fix".

I've placed on top 100 on first season just to get the glamour (ignored Season 2), and I don't really mind if others can get the Season 1 gear doing a specific achievement. After all, we got our own special placement achievements plus accessories plus the special title.

Minions and mounts are something too special to just limit it behind exclusive content. If you think about it, minion collectors are ready to buy anything to get the minion. A plush, a book, a mog digital minion etc... if you break their collection by putting something special and limited as this, they'll start giving up on being minion collectors, therefore lowering the sales of mogstation items, plushes, books, soundtracks etc...

I actually felt some kind of relief when this was going to be limited to the top 10, so I could stop this obsession on getting all the minions and mounts, but now I feel forced to continue! For the true endgame!

Still, I like The Feast. And I think we need more quality players and not just random players, so I think achievements with titles are more important for The Feast, followed with some kind of glamour. It makes more sense!

Imagine if they removed our mount rewards, or told right now, that you can buy them in a cash shop afterwards or get it from some achievement. Everyone would be pissed off and would quit the feast just to show that this is NOT ok. Hopefully SE does NOT make the same mistake twice, and tell us suddenly when the seasons is supposed to thrive, that our rewards have been removed or made less special in some way. This WILL make people quit, you cant back up on your promises like that after they are made. It is the principle idea.

A big important thing (pvp/feast), was sacrificed in the name of something as silly as freaking minions. Whats next, mounts? SE is flushing our pvp community down the toilet with false promises on the stupidest of things.

Edit: You are completely trying to ignore what Im saying in your post above ErryK. You cant make false promises and suddenly take it all back. That is not ok. It DOES hurt the feast, people have quit in the top 100. That is called hurting our community. It is way too small and it needs to grow, this is not the right way, the exact opposite of that. Exclusive rewards are exactly what we need to gain more participants. If the mounts are made avaiable to others too or even removed, It could aswell be the end of daily feast pops. Our community is very small and that makes it fragile. Believe me this is not the way to go.
Edit2: The whole idea was to make feast more alive, and make it grow. They almost failed it with this sudden announcement thing, gladly the mounts are the same as before so feast wont die just yet. But make the mounts less special (or even remove them), and yeah. Who knows what will happen. It is obvious the effect will be severe.

The Feast needs an unranked solo queue. That's what will make The Feast great again.

Before the Season 1 started we had some weeks to practice in unranked matches, and that's where we learned how to do Feast.

The peoblem now is that people joins blindly and ends giving it up for the frustration and negative comments of other players. So I don't think that the rewards are going to help here!

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The Feast needs an unranked solo queue. That's what will make The Feast great again.

Before the Season 1 started we had some weeks to practice in unranked matches, and that's where we learned how to do Feast.

The peoblem now is that people joins blindly and ends giving it up for the frustration and negative comments of other players. So I don't think that the rewards are going to help here!

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I have made a thread about this myself. I have posted on multiple threads about this idea. I am trying what I can to make this happen already, and to make feast thrive in any way possible. I have told ingame about this idea and linked to my thread to multiple people and even in my own countrys LS. I would love an unranked 4v4 just cause the mentality of it would be different than ranked (not so much salt n pepper). Believe me I want an unranked 4v4 so new ppl can come and train in peace. And I can also play in peace when Im not having a good feast day. It would also help us grow because of less toxicity, and this is the most important thing.

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I have made a thread about this myself. I have posted on multiple threads about this idea. I am trying what I can to make this happen already, and to make feast thrive in any way possible. I have told ingame about this idea and linked to my thread to multiple people and even in my own countrys LS. I would love an unranked 4v4 just cause the mentality of it would be different than ranked (not so much salt n pepper). Believe me I want an unranked 4v4 so new ppl can come and train in peace. And I can also play in peace when Im not having a good feast day. It would also help us grow because of less toxicity, and this is the most important thing.

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Indeed... gonna find the post and like it! I hope something can be done, at least for the next expansion.

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"You can't make false promises and then suddenly take it all back" You're acting as if the change affects the winners negatively... all it means is people who didn't take part in the Feast need to grind for the minion, instead of doing 100-something matches and then never take part in the Feast again because they've secured their spot. And let me remind you, PvP is an afterthought in this game, let alone the fact that the PvP community is small as is. Limiting the rewards, or rather the resources, to 100-something people is a waste of dev time and resources in the long run. Only those people will have those items instead of the potential 200-500k~ that are subbed and active. Making things exclusive hurts more than it rewards, and this change will only affect about 1k people negatively, as opposed to the minion being grindable, which will affect people positively, and potentially, everyone as this is an item available to everyone if they put the time and effort into it.

This change is positive, stop twisting it into something negative.

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This change is positive, stop twisting it into something negative.

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Opinion is a opinion its a bad change because it tells pvpers and everyone else that you just have to whine alot to get smth. You may say its bad having exclusive rewards but in a competitive environment it isnt. You cant expect getting a gold medal and prize money just for participating in the sport. Thats why we have tier rewards and you can still collect smth even if u cant get them all lol. We better just dont do savage content right? Its just a small part of the playerbase. Lets just make best gear drop from dungeon cause it benefits the most ppl. Your logic is so wrong lol. Atleast we got exclusive gear and mounts I guess but just a earring for top10 is pretty meh. I hope they dont do this in season 5.

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Because a minion and a mount is entirely comparable to Savage gear. Right. Okay. :)

What would solve this is if PvP rewarded gears that benefit PvP players, at least then there'd be an actual point to trying to do Feast, to actually get an upper hand.

If you like to play eSports, please search for an other game, there are a lot better fitting for that purpose! FFXIV is still a RPG before all...

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If you like to play eSports, please search for an other game, there are a lot better fitting for that purpose! FFXIV is still a RPG before all...

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Well I could count now mmorpgs who have a competitive pvp modes with exclusive rewards but to reply you... Feast is still a competitive ranked pvp mode wich should be treated like this genre has nothing to do with it.