Beastman Strongholds

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Originally Posted by Andrien

I once trained a Tonberry in FFXI all the way to Kazham before they patch mobs to depop, it was an epic accidental MPK'age. I remember those times in Garlaige Citadel too XD

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That reminds me of the many times I pulled a bomb mob between the parties so it can self-destruct.

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Originally Posted by Tremain

That reminds me of the many times I pulled a bomb mob between the parties so it can self-destruct.

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Lol this reminded me of smn soloing bombs with carby in 11, good times thanx for the memory :)

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

they kind of seem...small i guess. When i thought of these of course i thought of the FFXI beastmen areas, they were pretty big, lots of detail, had quests/NMs/Missions going with them. These feel like what they look like, some chunk of thanlan closed off by some walls and a few things inside to spruce them up.

I really hope when the map redesign comes they get more elaborate separate zones.

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Dont kid your self about XI it was the same, Davio was just a chunk of junger forest cut off. I swear if nostalgia was an drug everyone would be addicts.....

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Originally Posted by viion

Wow you getting really angry hahah. If you say so!



.................... really not, so many companies have done so much in a very short time. Pulling content and stuff like this in just general weekly patches lol. SE is extremely slow compared to the modern MMO.

I expect more, I always will, dont like that? Ignore me or deal with it =D

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If you don't know before i game is publicly released devs are usually working on the next expansion, so dont fool your self. Like right now my friend is working Gear of war 3 map packs already....

Want to buy FF13 now!!!!

Damn you afro-man and your chocobo chick!

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

Want to buy FF13 now!!!!

Damn you afro-man and your chocobo chick!

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*Does Sazh pose*

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Originally Posted by Firon

Dont kid your self about XI it was the same, Davio was just a chunk of junger forest cut off. I swear if nostalgia was an drug everyone would be addicts.....

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Only person kidding themselves is you.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...c/cd/Davoi.png

That's a fairly decent size, since all we have to go on is screenshots of what LOOKs like a tiny area, is why people say Davoi is bigger.

I really think people make it a mission to talk down the better FF online whenever it's mentioned.

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

they kind of seem...small i guess. When i thought of these of course i thought of the FFXI beastmen areas, they were pretty big, lots of detail, had quests/NMs/Missions going with them. These feel like what they look like, some chunk of thanlan closed off by some walls and a few things inside to spruce them up.

I really hope when the map redesign comes they get more elaborate separate zones.

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Actually I don't care if they are separate zones, I would just like a certain part of each zone have a nice big open world beastmen camp something about the size of Ghelsba Outpost from FFXI. Maybe down the road in different zones give them a bigger fortress whether it be in caves or above ground or wherever.

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Originally Posted by viion

Did them all in 1 night, and even the first set of high lv nms were easy, guess the multiple ones took a bit getting used to, tho didnt die on mossy. Nothing was challenging, and then dungeons came and it wasnt challenging and now this will not be challenging because everyone will just pound through and there will be an insane amount of people hitting the mob. Like havine CFH on 24/7 in XI.

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I don't see why everyone harps that the dungeon was easy content now, I remember people being baffled at the ogre fight on these forums and then even more baffled when Batraal was discovered. Any content becomes easier when the strategy is figured out by other people and then emulated, but you have to admit the dungeon was pretty difficult before the strategies were figured out and spread to the masses.

However I agree with you on just about every other point. Idk how people on this forum can convince themselves that content is being released at a quicker rate than any other MMO. Rift has I think over 10 dungeons already >_>, and someone on a FFXIV forum accusing TERA of failing is pretty funny.

There's nothing wrong with constructive criticism people, constant blind praise of this game isn't going to do the developers any good.

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Know why it wasn't challenging? Because you were fighting rank 35 NM's at rank 50 using a cookie-cutter setup.

That's dull.

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So people should gimp themselves to make content entertaining?

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Originally Posted by Firon

Dont kid your self about XI it was the same, Davio was just a chunk of junger forest cut off. I swear if nostalgia was an drug everyone would be addicts.....

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Actually, The three Beastman strongholds in XI were pretty massive, add to that all the content attached to it to make it even bigger and relevant, I understan they might not start like that, but I hope they add quest and events to them over time.

There is no way anyone can undermine the relevance of the strongholds in XI. Not in size or content.

A lot of people seem to assume that it's gonna be a huge army vs. 1 NM with the new claim system; who's to say the more people hitting the NM the more backup the NM will call?

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Rift yeah, Tera though? lol. There's a reason Koreans even hate that game you know, but you'll adamantly deny anything negative about it.

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Just like you will deny anything negative about XIV. But at least its doing far better than XIV and only lost 100k Koreans, where as XIV lost over half a million worldwide lol. So I think TERA is doing something right! Even had a leave increase and has many more dungeons and strongholds than XIV and its been out less, in less countries, with plenty more people.

Back to the topic though since people like to derail, this content will not be challenging for a long time, the only time it will be challenging is when no one does any of it anymore because then you wont have other people killing your claimed mobs. So it will be a complete zerg/unchallenging content for a good while.

And there wont be zone links as mobs give up after like 5 seconds XD

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Originally Posted by Darkvalkyr

A lot of people seem to assume that it's gonna be a huge army vs. 1 NM with the new claim system; who's to say the more people hitting the NM the more backup the NM will call?

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It only calls for backup from mobs around, regardless of type but i see hear it will be just the beastmen. Also even if more spawned and it came, the NM would due so quick due to 50 people slamming on it, the adds wont mean much.

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

useless shit? not making the game better?!?!!? Beastman Stronghold should of been in the game from DAY 1!!!!

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I seriously need a way to patent the "day 1" phrase and put royalties on that shite. This site alone would make me millions, let alone the other xiv "fan" sites. Its been over a year now dude, we get it, the game sucks.

I'm pretty sure this is just a sample of one you guys.
I'm sure there is at least one for each beast tribe in their respected areas in this patch.
Or at least i'd hope so.

"should of been"

Dear God, why???

Well tbh... I could care less.

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Originally Posted by Biggs

I seriously need a way to patent the "day 1" phrase and put royalties on that shite. This site alone would make me millions, let alone the other xiv "fan" sites. Its been over a year now dude, we get it, the game sucks.

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Lol I know we get it that person didn't though saying it was useless and doesn't need to be added lol... thats the only reason I stated it

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Originally Posted by viion

so many companies have done so much in a very short time. Pulling content and stuff like this in just general weekly patches lol. SE is extremely slow compared to the modern MMO.

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That's probably the most absurd (and presumptious!) statement I've ever heard. Find me one developer commentary/comment/post/blog related to a single MMO of any type that says "So this new content we've just added took us a week." Any new implementation takes months, sometimes up to a year, including conception, design, evaluation and production. Even WoW's "hotfixes" (tiny, server side tweaks) are planned months in advance as discussed in their Coffee Time With The Devs blog.

Now if you're talking about a site posting an announcement that "We want to release a new dungeon soon!" and then said dungeon appears a week later, don't be fooled into thinking that even though they only publicly announced in last week, they haven't been planning it for the past year.

Way to stir the pot.

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Originally Posted by Tadacho

That's probably the most absurd (and presumptious!) statement I've ever heard. Find me one developer commentary/comment/post/blog related to a single MMO of any type that says "So this new content we've just added took us a week." Any new implementation takes months, sometimes up to a year, including conception, design, evaluation and production. Even WoW's "hotfixes" (tiny, server side tweaks) are planned months in advance as discussed in their Coffee Time With The Devs blog.

Now if you're talking about a site posting an announcement that "We want to release a new dungeon soon!" and then said dungeon appears a week later, don't be fooled into thinking that even though they only publicly announced in last week, they haven't been planning it for the past year.

Way to stir the pot.

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You know, the best way I can combat the "slow" argument that those people never get, whether it be that they are intellectually incapable or just plain doesn't want to make rational thoughts being poisoned by the korean flashy grinders, but there is a completely simple reason for the content coming in at the pace that is it.

When you go back to the beginning of January and think, they had to look at the game in it's entirety, look at the content that was in the works being developed --which actually is worked on and planned way in advance and even before the game is launched-- then plan and develop either over what it's foundation is or completely rewrite it. This isn't a normal thing for MMOs. When they are released and it goes well, already in the works prior to that launch is the future content that will be received in patches. Giving enough time for players to get settled and breath and explore this world then implement the content on time to keep them engaged.

FFXIV never had this luxury. This is something that is not a secret. So, why do people ridicule it when they know very well what the reasons are. It is not unreasonable what SE had done when they got the message they f***ed up. I'm getting a little off topic. What I am trying to say is this situation is unlike what most "modern MMOs" are going through. So, why hold that standard to them when it is common knowledge that their development schedule is patch release to patch release? This isn't like other MMOs where they never had to redevelop their game and could work on a very much planned timeline of expected completed and released content.

Didn't SE say certain monsters will be claim locked... Don't think people will be gangbanging the NM's, also this update is HUGE. I'm more worried about how long it's gonna take to DL it. lol

for at least the first month this will be a slaughter fest. should make hitting 50 easy on my thm though since i can aoe every target on screen and get xp for everything that dies. If you cant claim the nm either things are gonna get crazy.

hopefully its a maze.

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Originally Posted by VeranRamaden

I'm pretty sure this is just a sample of one you guys.
I'm sure there is at least one for each beast tribe in their respected areas in this patch.
Or at least i'd hope so.

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i was 100percent expecting 3 strongholds, now im not so sure.

would have been nice to divide the server up though so were not all in one spot.

This isn't going to be the only stronghold. XD

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

i was 100percent expecting 3 strongholds, now im not so sure.

would have been nice to divide the server up though so were not all in one spot.

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well i know theres going to be at least one more cause a while back SE showed a concept sketch of what would be the kobald stronghold. and i wouldn't be surprised if they also have the bird people's stronghold too.

im not sure if they are all going to be implemented on 1.19 but im expecting them to implement the other 2 shortly after

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Originally Posted by viion

Just like you will deny anything negative about XIV. But at least its doing far better than XIV and only lost 100k Koreans, where as XIV lost over half a million worldwide lol. So I think TERA is doing something right! Even had a leave increase and has many more dungeons and strongholds than XIV and its been out less, in less countries, with plenty more people.

Back to the topic though since people like to derail, this content will not be challenging for a long time, the only time it will be challenging is when no one does any of it anymore because then you wont have other people killing your claimed mobs. So it will be a complete zerg/unchallenging content for a good while.

And there wont be zone links as mobs give up after like 5 seconds XD



It only calls for backup from mobs around, regardless of type but i see hear it will be just the beastmen. Also even if more spawned and it came, the NM would due so quick due to 50 people slamming on it, the adds wont mean much.

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it also says that enemy will only call for backup one time. beings that se has not said otherwise i will not assume it will.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

This isn't going to be the only stronghold. XD

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i meant in 1.19, i know there will be more.

if thats what you meant too, then lets hope so.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

i meant in 1.19, i know there will be more.

if thats what you meant too, then lets hope so.

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...did you read the part in the notes that mentions "Other strongholds will be scattered throughout eorzea in 1.19"?

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

for at least the first month this will be a slaughter fest. should make hitting 50 easy on my thm though since i can aoe every target on screen and get xp for everything that dies. If you cant claim the nm either things are gonna get crazy.

hopefully its a maze.

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You only get XP for the ones you claim, if your aoe everything people will just let you die.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

You only get XP for the ones you claim, if your aoe everything people will just let you die.

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that can be your little secrete

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

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FFXIV never had this luxury. This is something that is not a secret. So, why do people ridicule it when they know very well what the reasons are. It is not unreasonable what SE had done when they got the message they f***ed up. I'm getting a little off topic. What I am trying to say is this situation is unlike what most "modern MMOs" are going through. So, why hold that standard to them when it is common knowledge that their development schedule is patch release to patch release? This isn't like other MMOs where they never had to redevelop their game and could work on a very much planned timeline of expected completed and released content.

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It's mainly people like Viion, yet he continues to stick around for no reason.

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Originally Posted by Tadacho

That's probably the most absurd (and presumptious!) statement I've ever heard. Find me one developer commentary/comment/post/blog related to a single MMO of any type that says "So this new content we've just added took us a week."

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He can't, and he'll gladly ignore you or twist it around to try to make him sound right. It's what he does.

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Originally Posted by viion

Just like you will deny anything negative about XIV.

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I deny anything negative about FFXIV...? lol Sorry that the MMORPG you like is failing and you can't accept that it's not as good as you think. You really don't read anything I post then, considering I always state that XIV would have been better off building off of FFXI, meaning I'm pretty much stating that there's a lot of negative developments with XIV and even SE admits they screwed up, so think of a better counterarguement that actually makes sense. Also, Tera didn't lose "only 100k koreans" lol, it's constantly losing people which is why they're scrambling and hoping the next 'grand' update stimulates the game. Not to mention over in the Japanese side, many still feel the price is too much for what little the game offers, so unless things heavily change with Tera, it's not in a good state at all. Not to mention the delay into 2012 for the western release wasn't helping it's image nor hype at all. Much like SE with XIV, they're pushing to make the next release "the saving the grace", Tera is actually getting more expensive to develop for than they are actually making in net profit.

Try harder.

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But at least its doing far better than XIV

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"But at least it's doing far better than a game well known to be mocked for being released in a poor condition!"

Again, that's basically choosing the lesser of two evils, but considering your hacking ways, I doubt you know what that means.

I heart you Jennestia

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Originally Posted by Archadius

I'm not paying attention to which of you is right/wrong/relevant. I just found it extremely amusing that you said "stupider", given the nature of your sig comment lol

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LMFAOROFL! I so didn't think of this when Fixy accidentally wrotethat but GD that made me laugh so hard at work! Nice catch! xD

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

...did you read the part in the notes that mentions "Other strongholds will be scattered throughout eorzea in 1.19"?

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More beastman strongholds and numerous other notorious monsters aside from those mentioned above will descend to plague Eorzea come patch 1.19. Adventurers are urged to keep their weapons honed and armor sound ahead of this mounting threat.

also i recall them saying the content will most likely be split up into a and b

Except they dont mention 1.19a or 1.19b for that particular post

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Except they dont mention 1.19a or 1.19b for that particular post

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well i wont assume it will all be in a till i see patch notes.

Everything they have given us now in terms of info will be in the initial patch. They will usually state otherwise.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Everything they have given us now in terms of info will be in the initial patch. They will usually state otherwise.

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hopefully your speculation is correct.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

hopefully your're speculation is correct.

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Fixed for you

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Fixed for you

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* The following feature, planned for patch 1.19, is still in development, and therefore subject to change.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

That kind of bothers me alot. Seriously why are we attacking the beast tribes? That kinda ruins the whole plot of the story. We spend most of the main scenario around them, just to attack them after all that stuff went down?

I can see it now?

Jinrya>> Hey Mr. Amalj'aa, can you help me defeat the Empire? They want to kill us both.

Amalj'aa>> I guess, the enemy of my enemy is my fri...

Jinrya>> Ya, now I am going to kill you just cause.

Amalj'aa>> Wtf dude.

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Hopefully the strongholds are rogue groups of beastmen otherwise the story just kind of went out the window, and ima be super upset for wasting my time with this.

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Originally Posted by Shyd

Hopefully the strongholds are rogue groups of beastmen otherwise the story just kind of went out the window, and ima be super upset for wasting my time with this.

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In FFXI, Windhurst and the yagudo has a peace treaty and slaughtered eachother anyway. Also, the yagudo were the good guys. There are an infinite number of plot twists avaiable.