It's about time to add Coil story mode, isn't it ?

People taking my last post seriously. XD

Out of curiosity, would anyone be interested in helping me make "idiot-proof" guides for FFXIV battles? Back in FFXI, I made some for CoP missions for my linkshell, but a lot of my people would share them with outsiders just because it made more sense than anything else, according to even the people outside. They didn't spread out wide, but I think I can get a link to them for reference.

The only help I'd need is to somehow be able to do the fight, or teach someone who knows the fight what my expectations are.

And before anyone says a damn thing about videos, screw those things. Half the time something that someone's talking about isn't even on screen. My guide is pictures. :D

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Originally Posted by Tsuwu

T9's a bitch. A challenge. A long term goal with 7 of my friends.
I wouldn't want it any other way.

Please. Just practice. And find a static.
That's what makes this game awesome.

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My seven other friends are either in a static already, or don't want to help me out if the option's there.

My only concern with the concept of a story-mode version of Coil is that it would give (some) people less of an incentive to do the real version of Coil.

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Originally Posted by Violyre

or don't want to help me out if the option's there.

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I think you might want to look into getting new friends.

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Originally Posted by Violyre

People taking my last post seriously. XD

Out of curiosity, would anyone be interested in helping me make "idiot-proof" guides for FFXIV battles?

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Not to burst your bubble

There are already a bucket load of guides for Turns 1-9, a lot of them explained very simply, using pictures, videos, infograms breaking down phases or mechanics into an easy to understand way.


Sorry to say but people are way ahead of you. (You just have to sift through all the terrible low-quality guides to find it)

For example Titan HM:

http://i.imgur.com/UbacDrh.gif

Or Titan Ex:

http://files.enjin.com.s3.amazonaws....1388987174.png

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Originally Posted by Violyre

...wouldn't that just be "thousand upon thousand?" "Thousands" implies more than one. And if we put one thousand on one thousand, then that just makes two thousand.

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You honestly believe only 2000 people have defeated The Binding Coil of Bahamut? The same amount who have cleared the Second Coil of Bahamut?

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Originally Posted by Shioban

Considering the development of the game is split quite strongly between casual/hardcore content (intentionally so), your point doesn't make that much sense.

You have the right to ask for it, but regardless of whether you pay for it or not, if you can't actually complete the content due to your own time/ability/varying restrictions that's not their problem.



They've stated they're adding in a way to clear it with fewer people in the future, you'll simply have to wait till then or try harder.



*There is no proof to suggest that this claim is true or false, and is baseless conjecture without solid fact proving one way or another, silly point to make.

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It doesn't matter to me, all I really care about is that people are asking for something that will help them enjoy the game that for one reason or another they aren't able to.
It's just story, they aren't askin for the best loot or any loot at all.
So what if a lot of us are fortunate enough to have pro friends to clear content and time enough to practice. That doesn't make their wants any less important.

People can talk numbers and back up claims and provide facts but if a good amount of people will enjoy something that they can make, it's not wasted time.

But whatever, it's no skin off my back. I just think they should be able to enjoy the game too. If they can't enjoy it too why stay right? Some people here might not care but I'm sure the devs do

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Originally Posted by Exstal

You honestly believe only 2000 people have defeated The Binding Coil of Bahamut? The same amount who have cleared the Second Coil of Bahamut?

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Originally Posted by Exstal

The figure of people defeating Second Coil is around 2000.

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I specifically quoted your bit for Second Coil, not both.


As for there being other guides, that's nice, but have they worked for me? Nope.

And for making new friends...well, let's just say I can be abrasive at first.

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Originally Posted by Violyre

I specifically quoted your bit for Second Coil, not both.

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But the content of my post was referring to The Binding Coil of Bahamut...

Context is important as to not have strawmans.

I don't see anything wrong with a story-mode Coil as long as there are still reasons to do the non-story mode (similar to story mode Garuda vs hard/extreme Garuda).

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Originally Posted by Amused

My only concern with the concept of a story-mode version of Coil is that it would give (some) people less of an incentive to do the real version of Coil.

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They already arent doing it because they can't.

Someone else here said awhile ago how it would make players bad by not learning the real way to do it or something like that. But it really doesn't because they won't be playing with the pros anyway.

Keeping it the way it is doesn't make good players by making them go through coil, those people just aren't doing it.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

But the content of my post was referring to The Binding Coil of Bahamut...

Context is important as to not have strawmans.

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My apologies. I missed the transition from Second Coil to Binding Coil. That one was definitely my mistake.

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Originally Posted by IveraIvalice

They already arent doing it because they can't.

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Why can't they? How can they know they can't if they don't even try?

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Originally Posted by Amused

Why can't they? How can they know they can't if they don't even try?

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What makes you think no ones tried? I have. I will keep trying. If I can get Ultima Weapon down to a science, it shouldn't be much different to memorize.

Also to anyone curious, have my guide to FFXI Diablo mission.

i support this idea, seriously now, what harm would this really have?

a story mode so that people can experience the rich lore that Coil has in it, with no drop rewards, would be fine.

Infact, it could act quite easily as an introduction to the mechanics of the current, endgamey coil, make people less likely to utterly fail when entering into coil and not piss off all the super elites.

I proposed this a few months back in another thread about revisiting the dificulty of coils.

And i totally support an story only no drops easier mode of all the Coils and actually any future content on its level for story and lore reasons. And to even more, prevent being spoiled about said details from people who clears it and has absolutely no consideration of others.

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Originally Posted by Amused

Why can't they? How can they know they can't if they don't even try?

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I don't know. You don't know. Are you watching them? Seeing that they aren't trying?

My point being that I don't really care why they can't do it. There are many reasons in RL that can stop someone from clearing it. I've had many times where I couldn't play for a while or had weird times so I can relate.
Sure that can hold them back from loot and that shouldn't be handed to them even with RL things stopping them. But story is different

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Yoshida would implement the Story Mode version for the entire coil some time

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With the Bahamut's coils completing in patch 2.4, do you have any plans for players who are only interested in seeing the storyline?

A: I have also been wondering what we can do. With respect to the difficulty, there will be some relaxation, but we also need to consider players who are starting new, so we haven't finalized any specifics yet. I would like it so that at some point everyone could experience the story.

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This quote is worth the bandwidth it was used to post it, it's a way of brushing people off...... you only need to look at their track record that i mentioned earlier in this thread. Stop thinking just because they said something they are going to do it (housing, addons.... etc the list keeps growing)

Edit: Going to stop posting in this thread because people go through life/game wanting the easy way out, I have bookmarked this thread and on each patch release I will be making a post laughing that it wasn't implemented.

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Originally Posted by Nghthawk

Going to stop posting in this thread because people go through life/game wanting the easy way out, I have bookmarked this thread and on each patch release I will be making a post laughing that it wasn't implemented.

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Oh how nice of you :)

I'm sure you will be missed

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Originally Posted by Nghthawk

This quote is worth the bandwidth it was used to post it, it's a way of brushing people off...... you only need to look at their track record that i mentioned earlier in this thread. Stop thinking just because they said something they are going to do it (housing, addons.... etc the list keeps growing)

Edit: Going to stop posting in this thread because people go through life/game wanting the easy way out, I have bookmarked this thread and on each patch release I will be making a post laughing that it wasn't implemented.

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It is only logical of Yoshida to actually implement this. It is not like the request or rationale behind it isn't reasonable, and it has nothing to do with wanting the easy way out. And looking at their track record and predictable pattern, I would definitely see it coming. How it is going to be implemented is another story.

P.S. - and looking at your lodestone, I think someday you might need it. Fret not, I'm actually supporting Story Mode for all because I feel that everyone should be able to experience the whole of the FFXIV story and lore in-game. All of the primals already have their own Story Mode, it is about time for coil to have it as well. It has nothing to do with trying coil and how easy Twintania is with echo and even T6-T9 is being sold by members of the FC I am in right now blah blah blah. I can be quiet elitist myself but I think this reasoning is crap.

The story in coil is a large part of the reward of clearing coil

The gear is just a means to an end, and a reason to keep running it after completion.

The problem I've noticed with most PF/DF parties is that there is no communication before starting the fight, no real communication after wipes (usually nothing or aggresiveness). The party should run through strats before to ensure everyone is on the same page. After wipes discuss what went wrong and how to improve. Instead, as what happens too much, start playing the blame game. To be frank, the most agressiveness ones who do that ar usually the ones who try to cover their own mistakes by deflecting onto others.

Without communication, things will fail. Without, at least admitting to yourself when you make mistakes, or are unsure, things will fail.

If you can get people to join a PF, you can also invite them to a LS so you can chat about further days to attempt progression.

As an addendum, many statics don't set fixed days, they are able to plan around when their members are available, I know, we do that also.

Communication is key.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

The story in coil is a large part of the reward of clearing coil

The gear is just a means to an end, and a reason to keep running it after completion.

The problem I've noticed with most PF/DF parties is that there is no communication before starting the fight, no real communication after wipes (usually nothing or aggresiveness). The party should run through strats before to ensure everyone is on the same page. After wipes discuss what went wrong and how to improve.

Without communication, things will fail.

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Then can you explain why does primals have story mode then?

Story isn't a reward - in a RPG game especially, story is actually quite the core, and coil (and CT/ST) actually tells us more about what happen to the Allagans and of course, the transition from 1.X to 2.X. It is especially more important for newer players, and of course non-legacy players. With the move to 3.X next year, there is a lot more lore in FFXIV. Asking the new player to play through them takes a lot of time which isn't necessary as players should be enjoying the latest contents possible. This is a natural point of view as a developer and of course, Yoshida see it this way.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

Blatant anger, profanity or defamation out of context might count.

But; "What are you nattering about?" isn't really going to make the 'ban/suspension' cut.



Then why bother mentioning it in the first place.

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Never said it did...
The same could be said to your 'Do I need to quote myself." and you told me no...then proceed to do it anyway
to another poster... .__.
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[I had posted more but I'm done being off-topic about it.]

OnT - I just don't see the big deal with adding something optional for others lol.
But since they've mentioned it once wouldn't
hurt to have more updates later on but don't get mad if they make it stupid because that is what usually happens lol.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Story isn't a reward - in a RPG game especially

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I thought story was the reward for progressing in an RPG? You certainly weren't doing it for the loot, because it didn't matter to the same degree that it does in an MMORPG.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

The story in coil is a large part of the reward of clearing coil

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That is a downright lie.

I have an idea.. Why not have a button to make twintania bend over, then you can go blow all your cooldowns unleash the hurt and then claim your prize.

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Originally Posted by Wyrmnus

I honestly can't believe the fucking arrogance Im seeing in this thread. Some people just make me sick.

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Just want to quote this post, as it says exactly what I've been wanting to say (in some other threads as well) but never dared for fear of getting banned.

Make it a solo version of coil with some difficulty to it, only rewarding a meaningless achievement and i'll be good with it.
But careful, not so difficult, we must not frustrate all those crybabies asking for a coil Easy mode.


PS:Seriously though, as many people said Coil Easy mode has already been added into the game after 2.2.

Its 20% Echo + nerf.
Its been dumbed down to the point where T1-T2 High voltage is no longer an issue, whole T2 strategy has already been dumped long ago because of enrage, T4 is no longer a DPS check, and T5 is easy as Titan EX, you just need to memorize the pattern, pay attention and move accordingly asap.
Also, You should be happy, this coil yields loot.

About SCoB it will likely be the same as soon as its released for DF.

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Originally Posted by CUTS3R

T5 is easy as Titan EX,

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Most people I know hate the Titan fight, and it's so rare to see "Titan EX" and "easy" in the same sentence unless "is not" is between them. In addition to the story of the Coil, I've also given up seeing Ifrit EX.

Have I mentioned that I suck at memorization when I'm not given the opportunities to memorize?

The fact that Ifrit EX is behind Titan EX is beyond me lol.
They went weird with this one..
Garuda - Med level.
Titan - HARD.
Ifrit - Easy.

Always been that way but why put the med-hardest before the easier one?

@Violyre.
I just finished Garuda EX in a DF. I had fun...but good Jesus Christ...
I got carried in Titan HM even with friends. It's the friggin' push thing man!

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

The fact that Ifrit EX is behind Titan EX is beyond me lol.

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Yeah, I always hear Ifrit EX is a complete joke if you can beat Titan EX. Since I can't, I won't know personally. Ever.

As I mentioned earlier, I almost quit at normal Titan because I hadn't experienced a hard storyline fight until then. The group I had made it a point to degrade me. It's like that in endgame content too, except now there are seven people to insult me as I try to learn.

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Originally Posted by SevValen

I get tired of seeing your cats face shoo shoo go away

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I think she's cute~

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Originally Posted by Violyre

except now there are seven people to insult me as I try to learn.

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Well insulting is probably too much. I, honestly get annoyed if someone fails more than few times on the same mechanic, but insulting doesnt help, i just leave quietly.
I understand you gotta learn a fight but i wont stand there until you do. Try until you succeed theres no secret or hell, even ask your friends to carry you if "you suck at memorizing" so much.


But dw, at some point our gear will make EX fights as easy as how HM are now, you should try it again then.


Ill just add that if you really want to see Coil story so much wait until the gear will allow you to fail without impacting the run. It doesnt have to be "now", by adding some stupid easy mode.

Actually you already can fail T1-5 without impacting the run. I sell carry runs with my FC and we basically 6-7man T5 every times by telling the buyer(s) to kill themselves at the beginning of the fight.

Good lord, there's a lot of hate in this topic from those who have already experienced the content.

I myself, gave up on it. Not worth my time spending hours and dealing with latency TWC issues.

I agree with OP, and there is no downside to having a story mode.

If you have a problem with my opinion, I don't care. Talk trash about me. I don't care. I'm paying the same amount per month as you do, and this is a video game, not a damn job.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...mphztl7jpg.jpg

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Originally Posted by Amused

I thought story was the reward for progressing in an RPG? You certainly weren't doing it for the loot, because it didn't matter to the same degree that it does in an MMORPG.

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Nope, I do my weekly coil for the loot. If it was for the story, who would run it over and over again every week?

In a RPG the crux of the story is a reasonable run through without excessive challenges - if you want the loot, the ultimate weapons and stuff, you have to deliberately grind certain contents in order to get them.

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Originally Posted by CUTS3R

But dw, at some point our gear will make EX fights as easy as how HM are now, you should try it again then.

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No amount of echo or gear will make Titan EX or BCoB easier. They all include mechanics that one-shot you if you don't..well..know the mechanics!

Unless you mean wait until lockout is removed and people sell T6-9 more frequently to buy a run and experience the story. In which case that's just terrible to suggest.

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Originally Posted by polyhedral

If you have a problem with my opinion, I don't care. Talk trash about me. I don't care. I'm paying the same amount per month as you do

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Same thing on the opposite side, it also applies to to you.
By listening to you since you pay your sub, you guys deserve to have content handed to you simply because you wont or cant put enough effort/time into it ? Just watch walkthroughs on YT then, All content is available right now there.

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Originally Posted by Coatl

Unless you mean wait until lockout is removed and people sell T6-9 more frequently to buy a run and experience the story. In which case that's just terrible to suggest.

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Whats wrong with that ? The whole thread is about being able to see Coil story, not getting good at it.
They get to see the so wanted story while my FC make millions.
Ex runs and T5 arent really expensive anymore so we better expend our services soon especially with NIN coming out soon.

No. I don't care to pay for a monthly fee, and be told by people like yourself to just watch youtube.

That is not a solution to this PROBLEM.

I'm not sure it would be a good idea. It would just be like finding a party to go through ramuh or levi hm. People who have already cleared them wouldn't be interested. I'm not even sure that a story mode coil could still be considered a "raid" if they eased it as suggested by OP. They could turn it into solo-quest then or just add coil cutscenes to your diary so you can watch them with your character.

Maybe, it would be different if they designed it to be like garuda ifrit and titan hm where you can still wipe if the party doesn't know what to do.
But these are just my 2 cents ..

these threads are so entertaining, both sides always end up bashing heads and calling each other silly names

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Originally Posted by polyhedral

No. I don't care to pay for a monthly fee, and be told by people like yourself to just watch youtube.

That is not a solution to this PROBLEM.

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Its true this is not the best solution, ill give you that. The best is to just play the damn game the way it is rather than beg for something that isnt a "PROBLEM" at all.

But y'know lemme quote you again :

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Originally Posted by polyhedral

If you have a problem with my opinion, I don't care.

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