Repairing Repairs

It will be less RP, but it will make easier for casual players, as make money or search for repair materials are not always easy.

I dont understand how anyone can use the term "interesting." There is nothing interesting or entertaining about either repair system. It's simply a solid mechanic to deal with the adjusted death penalty. It's never been, nor will it ever be, a thrilling experience.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

Sheesh, sorry, I didn't mean for you to take it so badly. I did make a lot of posts of my own in the beginning and throughout this thread, and it's kinda hard to be countering the same old arguments over and over again.

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No, it's ok, I was really grumpy last night. I do really feel that way about people changing other people's posts, but I wouldn't normally let it get to me like that, so I'm sorry for that. I was still a tad jumpy from watching a semi-truck in a ball of fire skidding towards me and my children on the highway yesterday (No I am not kidding. No one was killed thank goodness.) and just other personal stuff that made yesterday a very long day.

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Originally Posted by Leenk

I dont understand how anyone can use the term "interesting." There is nothing interesting or entertaining about either repair system. It's simply a solid mechanic to deal with the adjusted death penalty. It's never been, nor will it ever be, a thrilling experience.

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:) No, I wouldn't call it thrilling, but more interesting, imo yes. If you're just going to make it 5 gobs of mysterious matter, you might as well take the whole thing out and make it money only. Having different materials added more gameplay; more things you had to consider and be responsible for.

Edit: To add a thought, complex gameplay to me is a Final Fantasy trait, and one that I enjoy. I expect to find gameplay here that is a little less shallow than other games. I've been ok with some of the other things they have done to make things "easier", but this one I am not pleased with.

It's overshadowing the news of the Grand Companies for me, and I'm actually not looking forward to 1.18 now at this point.

I know, it's just my opinion. :) Someone in a another thread pointed out they could have more in mind with this. We shall see.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Gatherers are going to gather the catalysts mats. No matter how many times SE says it that is not a huge role.

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Not as huge as gathering those branches, anyway.

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Originally Posted by Physic

from an overall balance of cr5afting gathering and synthesis standpoint, its pretty much going to mess with a ton of balancing. class to class, and exping and profit.

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Right and while you lose a little bit of a role now, come 1.19 the balance will be changed in your favor with the Materia system. People for some reason are only looking at how this well affect them right now but fail to look at the stuff for the future that's already been announced.

Do we know the details of what the materia system is?

I don't see how this is effecting anyone people are just gonna complain for no reason. Crafter's are still gonna make money from the people who do not wanna repair their own stuff(me). Also don't try to pass dark matter off as some type of goo cause the stuff been used in plenty of FF for different things.

Dark matter went from being used for nothing to making potions, upgrading all kinds of armor/accessories/weapons , improving armor, Dealing damage, casting magic, and learning magic. So anyone having played most FF's should know dark matter has done ton's of things and does not break any immersion what's so ever. So dark matter repairing stuff should not be shocking anyone.

Lol at the people saying this ruined patch 1.18 for them.... wtf, again some people on these forums just say the most crazy shit. The raise is to low thread had more credibility than this.

Edit: Also I'm glad i wont have to 7+ days to wait for someone to repair an item that has an retarded item for it.

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Originally Posted by Firon

I don't see how this is effecting anyone people are just gonna complain for no reason. Crafter's are still gonna make money from the people who do not wanna repair their own stuff(me). Also don't try to pass dark matter off as some type of goo cause the stuff been used in plenty of FF for different things.

Dark matter went from being used for nothing to making potions, upgrading all kinds of armor/accessories/weapons , improving armor, Dealing damage, casting magic. So anyone having played most FF's should know dark matter has done ton's of things and does not break any immersion what's so ever. So dark matter repairing stuff should not be shocking anyone.

Lol at the people saying this ruined patch 1.18 for them.... wtf, again some people on these forums just say the most crazy shit. The raise is to low thread had more credibility than this.

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Patch 1.19 will add many more things to complain about as well.

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Originally Posted by Reika

Patch 1.19 will add many more things to complain about as well.

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oh i know this is America where no one can be happy about anything lol.

Oh man, you guys are so hardcore for wanting to lug around dozens of items to repair with. Let me bask in your glory just one last time before we actually start casualizing (See: Making the game fun and practical) the game.

If you didn't catch the sarcasm, my apologies.

I wish I can read and type in Japanese language so I can stay at Japanese forum..
I'm sick of people in this forum that complain EVERYTHING.

( Btw..... are Japanese guys complain also? lol )

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Originally Posted by Miyochan

I wish I can read and type in Japanese language so I can stay at Japanese forum..
I'm sick of people in this forum that complain EVERYTHING.

( Btw..... are Japanese guys complain also? lol )

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Translators are your friends. I actually will see what they have to say about it there right meow.

Just a heads up. Topics are typically placed where they are meant to be placed, not in general discussion. So, look under アイテム・製作・採集 heh

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/16446-新修理素材「ダークマター」について/page1

Poster doesnt like the fact that there is no versatility in how the different grades of Dark Matter are named, 52 likes.

yah, i tried after I posted here and they said nothing about this repair stuff, some are worried that the patch 1.18 schedule will slip. lol

Just a heads up. in the Japanese forums, Topics are typically placed where they are meant to be placed, not in general discussion (which is how it is supost to be but.... whatever) . So, look under アイテム・製作・採集 (Items/Synthesis/Gathering) heh

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Originally Posted by Miyochan

( Btw..... are Japanese guys complain also? lol )

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Complaining is an international pastime.

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Originally Posted by Reika

Just a heads up. in the Japanese forums, Topics are typically placed where they are meant to be placed, not in general discussion

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Yep. They at least follow the rules much better over there. It's hard to keep track of topics here (which inevitably leads to multiple redundant threads) since everyone just puts all their stuff in "general discussion" hoping to get a dev comment. It's a bad incentive.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

Yep. They at least follow the rules much better over there. It's hard to keep track of topics here (which inevitably leads to multiple redundant threads) since everyone just puts all their stuff in "general discussion" hoping to get a dev comment. It's a bad incentive.

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Which is why they made separate forums for those topics. GASP!

But no, everyone put everything about anything in general discussion so it will be buried and lost after a few days (or a few hours), by posts that are exactly like yours because yours got buried and lost.

Oops. So about dark matter... It would be nice if they named each grade something different besides Grade 1, Grade 2, Grade 3.....

Maybe like Weaksause Dark Matter, So-So Dark Matter, Exceptional Dark Mater, Pretty Darn Good Dark Matter, And Darker Than Dark Dark Matter. ^^

While I do like the idea for naming the different dark matters that way, I'm pretty sure the "number grade" they are going to have is so they can add more levels of them when the level cap rises. How do you get darker than Darker than Dark Dark Matter? =P

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Originally Posted by Reika

Which is why they made separate forums for those topics. GASP!

But no, everyone put everything about anything in general discussion so it will be buried and lost after a few days (or a few hours), by posts that are exactly like yours because yours got buried and lost.

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The unfortunate truth is that our community reps comment on threads here in General a lot more than they do in the appropriate sections. I've seen topics get made about something in the appropriate section and then a few weeks later another one pops up in the General discussion. The one in General gets a rep comment while the one in the appropriate forum usually doesn't. Good example of this recently was player housing, hardly any time passed before that one got a reply in General.

[SIZE="7"]I am increasingly getting depressed about the dumbing down of the game[/SIZE].

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Originally Posted by Arcell

The unfortunate truth is that our community reps comment on threads here in General a lot more than they do in the appropriate sections. I've seen topics get made about something in the appropriate section and then a few weeks later another one pops up in the General discussion. The one in General gets a rep comment while the one in the appropriate forum usually doesn't. Good example of this recently was player housing, hardly any time passed before that one got a reply in General.

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Funny, in the Japanese forums the reps AND yoshida make lots of replies when they have discussions in the appropriate forum.... I see lots of posts with crowns on them in items synthesis and gathering forums there. Really, just take a look http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/forums/72 . I suppose its our reps fault for spoiling us ; ;.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

While I do like the idea for naming the different dark matters that way, I'm pretty sure the "number grade" they are going to have is so they can add more levels of them when the level cap rises. How do you get darker than Darker than Dark Dark Matter? =P

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Too Dark to See Dark Matter :D

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Originally Posted by Celtodeno

I am increasingly getting depressed about the dumbing down of the game.

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Nothing is being "dumbed down", as I have already explained earlier.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

I agree with this. I want to date Kilta, but I also want her to stop spouting uneducated opinions.

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I meant like as a person not in the way you are implying. but I do agree with the rest.

As far as the repair stones of infinity goes, I have no problem with them so now I can base my gear off stats and appearance instead of repair mat rarity.

honestly, if they have this system, I don't know why each profession wont just be able to use these Dark matter to make level and profession appropriate REPAIR KITS that they can sell. This would move the repairing economy far quicker than having both PCs to be physically making a repair transaction.

The could sell these REPAIR KITS through their retainers and DoW/M classes can purchase and be able to repair in the field?

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Originally Posted by Reika

Funny, in the Japanese forums the reps AND yoshida make lots of replies when they have discussions in the appropriate forum.... I see lots of posts with crowns on them in items synthesis and gathering forums there. Really, just take a look http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/forums/72 . I suppose its our reps fault for spoiling us ; ;.



Too Dark to See Dark Matter :D

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super really extra dark matter of course

Also instead of dark matter, they could add duct tape. duct tape fixes anything.

Copy/Paste from my translation thread.
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Just like NA forum the JP forum is asking why is the repair item Dark Matter? they feel that Dark Matter is unknown element in previous FF series and doesn't match as a repair item. Also Dark Matter being some item you get towards end of the game in other FF series, why is it going to be a common item in FF14?

Original Thread Link: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/16464

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Originally Posted by Mocchi

こんにちは。
Hello,

「修理材料の名称がなぜダークマターになったのか？」について開発チームと話をしてきました。
Talked to the dev team on why "repair item was named dark matter"?

エオルゼアにおいて、どんな装備品でも修理可能な修理材料はとてもとても重要な物質であり、今後もずっと使用され続ける存在のため、ダークマターという名称を用いることになりました。
It was named Dark Matter as it is a very important material that can repair any type of weapon/gear and will be continues to be used in the world of Eorzea

そして、「ダークマター」や「属性を失ったクリスタル」が採れるようになったという事実は、エオルゼアに訪れる激変の予兆だと言えるかもしれません。
It may be it is a sign that major changes are coming to Eorzea since "Dark Matter" and "Deaspected Crystals" can now be obtained.

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pretty sure NA rep will translate this one and post official one, but that's it means in the JP rep response version.

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Originally Posted by Celtodeno

[SIZE="7"]I am increasingly getting depressed about the dumbing down of the game[/SIZE].

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Said the rank 1 Gladiator. I assume that either you A. Don't actually play the game or B. Have already been banned from the forums once forcing you to post as an alt.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

Said the rank 1 Gladiator. I assume that either you A. Don't actually play the game or B. Have already been banned from the forums once forcing you to post as an alt.

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Don'f feed the trolls :D

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...icuid=10569376

Don'f feed the trolls :D

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But I am bored at work ;_; Feeding the trolls is my only source of entertainment during the day!

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Originally Posted by lackofwords

Alright, since you want to believe market trend will remain low priced and low demand, lets just see what happens when patch comes.

Here's the current pricing for some common repair materials according to yg global median
Maple Plank - 250
Ash Plank - 1000
Copper Nugget - (400) via NPC
Brass Nugget - 1500
Iron Nugget - 1200
Silver Nugget - 1750
Dodo Leather Spetch - 600
Buffalo Leather Spetch - 1000
Boar Leather Spetch - 500
Cotton Fent - 1000
Canvas Fent - 270
Linen Fent - 750
Velveteen Fent - 1000

So, taking those common materials, roughly cost 1000 for r20-50 equipments, and roughly about 300 for r1-20. Lets see how much dark matter is going to sell for when the patch goes live and settles in after a week or two. Lets hope it's around 1k all around for grades 1-5.

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Thankfully, SE prices for grades 1-3 Dark Matter is reasonable. It matches roughly the cost if not lower for repairs materials pre-patch 1.18. However, prices for 4 and 5 cost twice and four times as much as one would pay for repairs respectively for the materials alone. Don't forget, I didn't add tip cost if you were asking someone else to repair. I'm speaking solely about the repair materials themselves.

You can see the price increases exponentially from rank to rank. So, you can just imagine what the price would be when we break free of the r50 cap.

Here's the price from the NPC selling Dark Matter ;
(anyone that is selling it on bazaar over that price is ripping people off)
Grade 1: 100 gil
Grade 2: 600 gil
Grade 3: 1,500 gil
Grade 4: 2,800 gil
Grade 5: 4,500 gil

Cheers.