A Warrior Tanking Compendium?

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

I'm currently working with 20/10 Str/Vit Stat Allocation with Vit accessories.
I still have more HP than a PLD, but it was scary at first, because I'm missing about 1000 HP that I had before (I went from about 7700 with Defiance to 6700 with defiance). I have to Self Heal a lot more, but at the same time, my self heals are a lot bigger.

Edit: Adding here that I'm still getting a feel for things with my new stats. Enmity is great. I can usually grab good amounts of hate on group. But I get beaten so badly when pulling groups. Bosses and single targets are just fine but those groups of adds, knocking on me at the same time, really put me in the danger zone and using my cool downs.

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As a fresh 50 my HP is far lower then yours, roughly 5200, although i have been putting all my points into VIT. As someone just entering the higher level dungeons would the increased VIT still be in my favor? Or would you say that 20/10 seems to be a happy medium?

Yes My stats currently still have VIT in the lead over all but I also have attached Accuracy Crit Rate Materia and Determination and my STR is capped on my gear. 20/10 stat allocation I've decided is ideal but please do what you need to do and experiment for yourself too!

Here is a rotation that I'm kinda settling on. Please give feedbacks.

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{Defiance ON}
Tomahawk
Heavy Swing
Skull Sunder
Butcher's Block

Heavy Swing
Maim
Storm's Eye

Berserk
Inner Beast

Heavy Swing
Skull Sunder
Butcher's Block

Fracture

Heavy Swing
Maim
Storm's Eye

Heavy Swing
Skull Sunder
Inner Beast (Depends on timing)

{Pacification}
Vengeance
{End Pacification}

Internal Release
Heavy Swing
Maim
Storm's Eye

Heavy Swing
Skull Sunder
Butcher's Block
Fracture
Inner Beast

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Originally Posted by Amayasu

As someone who tanked as a Paladin in Vanilla through to WotLK, you're wrong. Seal of the random make threat made it inconsistent... but Paladin tanking in WoW was never difficult. TBC onwards was simply Holy Shield->Consecrate->Loot.

But hey, I can see you main a WAR, so your opinions on PLD must be entirely true. The grass, the other side, etc etc.

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I seriously doubt that you tanked end game content with your paladin in vanilla WoW. Unless you were lucky enough to get a Thunderfury, tanking with a pally was incredibly difficult compared to a warrior or feral druid. You could manage a 5-man or UBRS, but most raids wouldn't let a non-holy paladin anywhere near a 40-man unless that paladin was severely overgeared for the content.

Once BC hit, it became a lot easier to tank with a pally. And by the time Wrath hit, holding threat simply became a complete joke for every tank class.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Here is a rotation that I'm kinda settling on. Please give feedbacks.

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You can't get two IB's during Berserk with that rotation. Berserk is 8 GCD (20 seconds) long and you want to use two GCD on IB. So you need to get 5 stacks in 6 GCD's. Even if your rotation was possible (11 GCD's in 20 seconds) you waste three berserk GCD's on Heavy Swing's. My Suggested rotation would be:

Combo 1 (II)
Combo 2 (IV)
-Bloodbath {if you are in a health emergence}
Heavy Swing {before IB to get two stacks immediately after IB}
-Berserk (Infuriated)
IB
-Convalescence {if you need to replace loss of 15% heals}
Maim>SE or SS>BB (II)
-Vengence (III)
any Combo (Infuriated)
IB
Fracture or Heavy Swing
{+pacification}
-Brutal Swing/Mercy Stroke/Defense CD or any non-GCD up
Flash
{-Pacification}

He can if he already 5 rage and he use IB ! Then he use our skill lvl 50 to get immediately 5 stack of rage !

And one again ! That what i do when i get big spike damage !

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

I tested 15/15 Stat Allocation and my Self heals and DPS were good but not great...

I'm currently working with 20/10 Str/Vit Stat Allocation with Vit accessories.

I still have more HP than a PLD, but it was scary at first, because I'm missing about 1000 HP that I had before (I went from about 7700 with Defiance to 6700 with defiance). I have to Self Heal a lot more, but at the same time, my self heals are a lot bigger.

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You're so full of it. Everything you post is garbage and completely false. What, 20 vit somehow equates to 1000 HP for you? Are you intentionally lying or do you just have a very loose grasp of how the game works? Was it also you who wrote that 20 strength gave you an increase of 27 DPS? For someone who posts so frequently and vocally about tanks, I can't believe how flat out wrong you are. Everything you post is just complete nonsense. I have never read a post by you that didn't make me shake my head in disbelief.

At least I'm posting something and doing my best.

All the people who are frothing at the mouth when I post have contributed nothing to the discussion.

Regarding two IBs in 1 Global Cooldown: It is possible, but it depends on timing. In a relatively tranquil battle where I'm not making too many mistakes and there are no delays, it is possible. (Of course, having some Skill speed and not stacking all Vitality and Parry contributes greatly to how much you can self-heal in a Berserk Cooldown.)

That's why I added the note, "Depends on Timing."

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Combo 1 (II)
Combo 2 (IV)
-Bloodbath {if you are in a health emergence}
Heavy Swing {before IB to get two stacks immediately after IB}
-Berserk (Infuriated)
IB
-Convalescence {if you need to replace loss of 15% heals}
Maim>SE or SS>BB (II)
-Vengence (III)
any Combo (Infuriated)
IB
Fracture or Heavy Swing
{+pacification}
-Brutal Swing/Mercy Stroke/Defense CD or any non-GCD up
Flash
{-Pacification}

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I'm confused about this rotation. Convalenscence should only be used if you know your self heals are not going to be sufficient. This rotation is the one I use at the beginning of the fight when I know I can also be healing myself for more than enough. But I guess I wasn't clear about that.

Your rotation that does not maximize self heals. If you can get two Inner Beasts in a Berserk you should, for max self healing. Also, it seems that I'm "wasting" GCDs on Heavy Swing, but you have to remember, that you need to keep up Maim buffs and Storm's Eye Debuffs for max damage, and you can only do that if you use them in combo with Heavy Swing. The whole point of the rotation is to max self heals through Inner Beast and not be relying on the healer so much.

Also, when you use Maim and Storm's Eye out of combo with Heavy Swing, you do not max your damage output.

One of the interesting things about the rotation I posted is that it is well timed. If you open with this rotation on Garuda, you should be pacified when she jumps and you won't be taking any damage at all.

Of course, none of you probably tried it out yet, so I encourage you to try it out and give feedbacks. ^_^

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

huh? why would you be wasting GCDs on Heavy Swing? Our combo abilities only build wrath when they're part of a combo, so you HAVE to include them in a combo to get back to infuriated.

As to your rotation above, you're trying to fit 11 GCD actions between the start and end of berserk (20sec). How is that possible? How much skill speed do you have?

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486.

And I didn't say I was WASTING GCDs... the other guy did. :O

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Originally Posted by Telepathic

You can't get two IB's during Berserk with that rotation. Berserk is 8 GCD (20 seconds) long and you want to use two GCD on IB. So you need to get 5 stacks in 6 GCD's. Even if your rotation was possible (11 GCD's in 20 seconds) you waste three berserk GCD's on Heavy Swing's.

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*sigh* I'm just going to start putting people on ignorelist. This is getting beyond stupid.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Your rotation that does not maximize self heals. If you can get two Inner Beasts in a Berserk you should, for max self healing. Also, it seems that I'm "wasting" GCDs on Heavy Swing, but you have to remember, that you need to keep up Maim buffs and Storm's Eye Debuffs for max damage, and you can only do that if you use them in combo with Heavy Swing. The whole point of the rotation is to max self heals through Inner Beast and not be relying on the healer so much.

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huh? why would you be wasting GCDs on Heavy Swing? Our combo abilities only build wrath when they're part of a combo, so you HAVE to include them in a combo to get back to infuriated.

As to your rotation above, you're trying to fit 11 GCD actions between the start and end of berserk (20sec). How is that possible? How much skill speed do you have?

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Of course, none of you probably tried it out yet, so I encourage you to try it out and give feedbacks. ^_^

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*post the most basic WAR rotation possible*
*thinks he's special*
*makes himself even more a fool*

That's what you mean by "contributing" ?
Stating the most obvious thing you can, being full of sh.t and contradiction, and missleading new WAR ?

But hey I'm glad you're hear, just like every other WAR in this game except you, I never thought of using maim/storm/berserk/...

Is there actually a Warrior Tanking Compendium around..? don't go saying no cause wars are crap end-game.. Just would like to know if there is one on here and if not on here.. On another site?